[Discussion] Should DOS'ing be a permanent punishment?

[The New California Republic]

He tried to get back in properly, but was denied.

So he clearly hasn't changed much then, as he is still rulebreaking just by being here.

That aside, the mods handled my friend's case in a pretty immature way.

He would have needed to be a persistent rulebreaker to be declared DOS, so don't act as if butter doesn't melt in his mouth.

I know that a couple mods are okay, but a lot of them are like your stereotypical bad police officer that just cares about meeting their citation/arrest quotas.

...do you seriously think that the mods really care about numbers?

[Springfeal]

He tried to get back in properly, but was denied.

So he clearly hasn't changed much then, as he is still rulebreaking just by being here.

That aside, the mods handled my friend's case in a pretty immature way.

He would have needed to be a persistent rulebreaker to be declared DOS, so don't act as if butter doesn't melt in his mouth.

I know that a couple mods are okay, but a lot of them are like your stereotypical bad police officer that just cares about meeting their citation/arrest quotas.

...do you seriously think that the mods really care about numbers?

He hasn't done any rule breaking nor really attracted the mods attention since sneaking back in NS last year. He has changed. And the mods do care about numbers. The mods on several occasions have gloated about the "mod olympics points" they get when they warn another player or deat someone.

[The New California Republic]

He hasn't done any rule breaking nor really attracted the mods attention since sneaking back in NS last year. He has changed.

Being on the site unannounced while DOS is in and of itself breaking the rules. So therefore no, he hasn't changed if he is still rulebreaking.

And the mods do care about numbers. The mods on several occasions have gloated about the "mod olympics points" they get when they warn another player or deat someone.

Omfg. Are you serious? They were clearly joking.

[Ethel mermania]

There are people that need to be banned for more than a year.

Who?

Ebola, no matter what you tell her she keeps infecting people.

On topic, I am not one for multiple chances for forgiveness. I think the current system is fine, if someone is repentant, let the mods decide.

[Springfeal]

He hasn't done any rule breaking nor really attracted the mods attention since sneaking back in NS last year. He has changed.

Being on the site unannounced while DOS is in and of itself breaking the rules. So therefore no, he hasn't changed if he is still rulebreaking.

And the mods do care about numbers. The mods on several occasions have gloated about the "mod olympics points" they get when they warn another player or deat someone.

Omfg. Are you serious? They were clearly joking.

Doubt it. The mod olympics are a real thing.

[The New California Republic]

Omfg. Are you serious? They were clearly joking.

Doubt it. The mod olympics are a real thing.

*SIGH*

[Frisbeeteria]

Doubt it. The mod olympics are a real thing.

If you really think I spend one to six hours a day moderating this site for a forum thread that comes out maybe every 2-3 years, there's no possible chance of convincing you you're wrong. Then again, reading this thread, I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen in any event.

BTW, none of us are Elvis, we don't moderate out of Area 51, and only one of us was at the faked moon landing. And I didn't shoot JFK.

[Springfeal]

The mod olympics are real.

Don't y'all already do that? I'd swear you have a mod olympics where you recognize those that have the most deletions handed out and whatnot...

Or is that part of the joke?

I was thinking of next year, but yes, we do have a Mod Olympics, too.

[Gandoor]

The mod olympics are real.

I was thinking of next year, but yes, we do have a Mod Olympics, too.

Literally no one was disputing that but as Fris already said, do you really think they (and the rest of the mods) spend their time trying to rack up points for some dumb forum thread that happens once every few years.

Like the last Mod Olympics was in 2016, it's not some special annual occurrence nor do the mods even get anything for 'winning' other than congratulations from the users and just some lighthearted fun.

[Springfeal]

The mod olympics are real.

Literally no one was disputing that but as Fris already said, do you really think they (and the rest of the mods) spend their time trying to rack up points for some dumb forum thread that happens once every few years.

Like the last Mod Olympics was in 2016, it's not some special annual occurrence nor do the mods even get anything for 'winning' other than congratulations from the users and just some lighthearted fun.

My point still stands, the mods get judged by how many warnings and deats they hand out and are promoted based on that. It also explains the arbitrary manner in which they enforce the rules. This is why they hate "rules lawyering".

[Neutraligon]

Literally no one was disputing that but as Fris already said, do you really think they (and the rest of the mods) spend their time trying to rack up points for some dumb forum thread that happens once every few years.

Like the last Mod Olympics was in 2016, it's not some special annual occurrence nor do the mods even get anything for 'winning' other than congratulations from the users and just some lighthearted fun.

My point still stands, the mods get judged by how many warnings and deats they hand out and are promoted based on that. It also explains the arbitrary manner in which they enforce the rules. This is why they hate "rules lawyering".

We get judged, by whom? non of the admins care. The rest of the mods don't care beyond getting a bit of a joke about it. The mod Olympics are no more serious then the April fools jokes.

[Gandoor]

Literally no one was disputing that but as Fris already said, do you really think they (and the rest of the mods) spend their time trying to rack up points for some dumb forum thread that happens once every few years.

Like the last Mod Olympics was in 2016, it's not some special annual occurrence nor do the mods even get anything for 'winning' other than congratulations from the users and just some lighthearted fun.

My point still stands, the mods get judged by how many warnings and deats they hand out and are promoted based on that. It also explains the arbitrary manner in which they enforce the rules. This is why they hate "rules lawyering".

Do you even have a single iota of evidence that what you're saying is true?

Cause you've been going all over this thread about how the mods are promoted based on how many people they punish and they just wanna get their Mod Olympics scores up and it's all arbitrary when it comes to punishing rule-breaking but I say either put up or shut up.

[Katganistan]

Literally no one was disputing that but as Fris already said, do you really think they (and the rest of the mods) spend their time trying to rack up points for some dumb forum thread that happens once every few years.

Like the last Mod Olympics was in 2016, it's not some special annual occurrence nor do the mods even get anything for 'winning' other than congratulations from the users and just some lighthearted fun.

My point still stands, the mods get judged by how many warnings and deats they hand out and are promoted based on that. It also explains the arbitrary manner in which they enforce the rules. This is why they hate "rules lawyering".

Pfft, yeah right. Pull the other one, it has bells on it.

[Kyrusia]

Lol. The Mod Olympics.

Edit: I suppose I should actually make a comment more than that...

So I'll say this: Moderating isn't fun. At all. It's pretty much the opposite of "joyful" and "entertaining." If anything, it's prone to increasing misanthropy and cynicism, as a few studies involving community management and online moderation have shown. The Mod Olympics are, literally, irrelevant, and nothing more than an expression of the sometimes sardonic sense of humor you overtime grow to adopt being in a position such as this.

They're deliberately absurd for the sake of being absurd. Treating them as anything other than absurd is... well, absurd.

[The Pharcyde]

Personally, I know someone on this site that is DOS (not saying who, I'm not a snitch), but has been back for almost a year now, has made thousands of forum posts, made several threads, and even interacted with the mods several times without being discovered.

Pretty sure you knowing and not telling the mods means you'd be guilty of helping a DOS player access the site.

Is that against the rules?

[Springfeal]

My point still stands, the mods get judged by how many warnings and deats they hand out and are promoted based on that. It also explains the arbitrary manner in which they enforce the rules. This is why they hate "rules lawyering".

Pfft, yeah right. Pull the other one, it has bells on it.

Okay, fine. I am letting that one go for now, but my original point about DOS still stands.

[Springfeal]

Pretty sure you knowing and not telling the mods means you'd be guilty of helping a DOS player access the site.

Is that against the rules?

There is nothing in the rules that forces us to inform the mods of rule breaking. Nor are we actually required to lend them any assistance.

[Kyrusia]

Pretty sure you knowing and not telling the mods means you'd be guilty of helping a DOS player access the site.

Is that against the rules?

Simply knowing another player is a returning DOS and not reporting them isn't against the rules; assisting a DOS in evading their ban in some manner, however, is.

[Katganistan]

Pfft, yeah right. Pull the other one, it has bells on it.

Okay, fine. I am letting that one go for now, but my original point about DOS still stands.

Dude, honestly? You make an entirely false statement you pulled out of the ether, get called out on it from all sides about how how ridiculous it is, and expect anyone to take the rest of your statements seriously?

[Springfeal]

Lol. The Mod Olympics.

Edit: I suppose I should actually make a comment more than that...

So I'll say this: Moderating isn't fun. At all. It's pretty much the opposite of "joyful" and "entertaining." If anything, it's prone to increasing misanthropy and cynicism, as a few studies involving community management and online moderation have shown. The Mod Olympics are, literally, irrelevant, and nothing more than an expression of the sometimes sardonic sense of humor you overtime grow to adopt being a position such as this.

They're deliberately absurd for the sake of being absurd. Treating them as anything other than absurd is... well, absurd.

There have been actual studies on this?

[Springfeal]

Okay, fine. I am letting that one go for now, but my original point about DOS still stands.

Dude, honestly? You make an entirely false statement you pulled out of the ether, get called out on it from all sides about how how ridiculous it is, and expect anyone to take the rest of your statements seriously?

Yeah, yeah. Have fun trying to find my DOS friend. And enjoy any possible backlash you receive if you DEAT him as he is one of my more well-known (and generally well-liked) posters.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Dude, honestly? You make an entirely false statement you pulled out of the ether, get called out on it from all sides about how how ridiculous it is, and expect anyone to take the rest of your statements seriously?

Yeah, yeah. Have fun trying to find my DOS friend. And enjoy any possible backlash you receive if you DEAT him as he is one of my more well-known (and generally well-liked) posters.

I'm pretty sure they're likely to go looking at who associates with you now, who has been around for 'nearly a year,' and who posts regularly to see who it is.

[Neutraligon]

Dude, honestly? You make an entirely false statement you pulled out of the ether, get called out on it from all sides about how how ridiculous it is, and expect anyone to take the rest of your statements seriously?

Yeah, yeah. Have fun trying to find my DOS friend. And enjoy any possible backlash you receive if you DEAT him as he is one of my more well-known (and generally well-liked) posters.

Your friend being here is against the rules of this site. We do not particularly care if others have issues with us enforcing those rules.

[Springfeal]

Yeah, yeah. Have fun trying to find my DOS friend. And enjoy any possible backlash you receive if you DEAT him as he is one of my more well-known (and generally well-liked) posters.

I'm pretty sure they're likely to go looking at who associates with you now, who has been around for 'nearly a year,' and who posts regularly to see who it is.

Well, him and I only talk offsite (as a precaution). The mods can search my telegrams all they want. He's not there

[Ethel mermania]

Literally no one was disputing that but as Fris already said, do you really think they (and the rest of the mods) spend their time trying to rack up points for some dumb forum thread that happens once every few years.

Like the last Mod Olympics was in 2016, it's not some special annual occurrence nor do the mods even get anything for 'winning' other than congratulations from the users and just some lighthearted fun.

My point still stands, the mods get judged by how many warnings and deats they hand out and are promoted based on that. It also explains the arbitrary manner in which they enforce the rules. This is why they hate "rules lawyering".

Promoted? I think masochism is the primary trait required for "promotion".

Edit: while I dont presume to speak for the moderation team, my guess on the dislike of rules lawyers is they are not lawyers. They didnt sign up to discuss arcane subtle points of precedent. They just want folks to stop being dicks. (Looking at my warning level, We just disagree with what that requires)