by Vienna Eliot » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:49 pm
by Kyrusia » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:52 pm
by Vienna Eliot » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:54 pm
Kyrusia wrote:F7 is intended specifically for spammy thread games. That was its original intention. This is unlikely to change and, as a consequence, autoprune is unlikely to ever be disabled, as such would bloom the post counts of players obscenely whilst they make largely unsubstantive posts.
by Kyrusia » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:00 pm
Vienna Eliot wrote:Kyrusia wrote:F7 is intended specifically for spammy thread games. That was its original intention. This is unlikely to change and, as a consequence, autoprune is unlikely to ever be disabled, as such would bloom the post counts of players obscenely whilst they make largely unsubstantive posts.
So posts on F7 would count without the autoprune? I figured that the fact that posts don't count toward post count and that threads prune were unrelated.
by Vienna Eliot » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:05 pm
Kyrusia wrote:Vienna Eliot wrote:So posts on F7 would count without the autoprune? I figured that the fact that posts don't count toward post count and that threads prune were unrelated.
No posts in F7 count to your post total seen on the forum post sidebar; they do count in your profile total (which you can see in your User Control Panel), I believe.
by Kyrusia » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:08 pm
Vienna Eliot wrote:Kyrusia wrote:No posts in F7 count to your post total seen on the forum post sidebar; they do count in your profile total (which you can see in your User Control Panel), I believe.
So mainly, spam is constituted by posts that prodigiously increase the post count visible on a profile page? Notably, the intention — whether or not they are made for the purpose of increasing the post count — is not relevant to determining whether or not a post is spam in the context of its place in F7.
by Vienna Eliot » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:12 pm
Kyrusia wrote:Vienna Eliot wrote:So mainly, spam is constituted by posts that prodigiously increase the post count visible on a profile page? Notably, the intention — whether or not they are made for the purpose of increasing the post count — is not relevant to determining whether or not a post is spam in the context of its place in F7.
You can read our rubrics of spam here.
Posts intending simply to spam, get treated as spam. F7 is home to threads which have a high thread activity with little substance to their posting, or thread styles which have an exceptionally large amount of threads in general; due to such, we tend to apply the spamming rules with less vigor, overall, to F7 to accommodate this greater tolerance.
by Kyrusia » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:16 pm
Vienna Eliot wrote:Kyrusia wrote:You can read our rubrics of spam here.
Posts intending simply to spam, get treated as spam. F7 is home to threads which have a high thread activity with little substance to their posting, or thread styles which have an exceptionally large amount of threads in general; due to such, we tend to apply the spamming rules with less vigor, overall, to F7 to accommodate this greater tolerance.
I'm particularly interested in the number of threads metric, for obvious reasons. F7 is intended specifically for spammy thread games. Usually those wouldn't be archived, because that would bloom the post counts of players obscenely whilst they make largely unsubstantive posts. But any exception to that which also appears in F7 (e.g., thread styles which have an exceptionally large amount of threads) can be archived, right?
by Vienna Eliot » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:20 pm
Kyrusia wrote:Threads which Moderation judges to have a qualitative value beyond spammy thread games can be archived by Moderation, yes. An example includes the "Complete the Story"-style threads or the "Construct a Language Together"-style of threads.
by Kyrusia » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:31 pm
Vienna Eliot wrote:Kyrusia wrote:Threads which Moderation judges to have a qualitative value beyond spammy thread games can be archived by Moderation, yes. An example includes the "Complete the Story"-style threads or the "Construct a Language Together"-style of threads.
It follows then that quality is the determinant of archival merit. Why are certain threads with qualitative value ("Complete the Story"-style threads or the "Construct a Language Together"-style of threads) given a higher standard of review than others (roleplays)? The latter are automatically archived (they are never pruned); the former must be be approved for archiving (or they will be pruned).
by Vienna Eliot » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:37 pm
by Kyrusia » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:43 pm
Vienna Eliot wrote:Fair enough. I still think the autoprune does a disservice — not just to roleplays in F7, but to forum games as well, which already have the potential to count toward post counts through archiving — but I can't say there's any real flaw in Moderation's logic for why it exists.
by Nilrahrarfan » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:04 am
Kyrusia wrote:The NSG Senate, could, variously, qualify as what is called a chill/chat location thread; these are now entirely prohibited, wholesale. During the initial moratorium against these thread styles, the NSG Senate was given, once again, a special case judgment to exclude them from this description, even though they met some of the criteria.
by Jebslund » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:49 am
Nilrahrarfan wrote:Kyrusia wrote:The NSG Senate, could, variously, qualify as what is called a chill/chat location thread; these are now entirely prohibited, wholesale. During the initial moratorium against these thread styles, the NSG Senate was given, once again, a special case judgment to exclude them from this description, even though they met some of the criteria.
I don't get it, at all. Why not create a new board for C/CLTs? Or at least make a new region with its RMB acting as a C/CLT?
by Nilrahrarfan » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:23 am
Jebslund wrote:Nilrahrarfan wrote:I don't get it, at all. Why not create a new board for C/CLTs? Or at least make a new region with its RMB acting as a C/CLT?
Short version: C/CLTs invariably descended into cybering and other rulebreaking/potentially illegal (as in breaking national and/or international laws IRL) shenanigans, and that only got curbed when the mod team stepped in, then went right back to the gutter when people thought the mods had stopped looking. Moderation got tired of having to constantly step in when players didn't police themselves in those threads.
It got bloody ridiculous. Moderation decided, rightly, IMHO, to just not put up with it.
by Gandoor » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:41 am
Nilrahrarfan wrote:Jebslund wrote:Short version: C/CLTs invariably descended into cybering and other rulebreaking/potentially illegal (as in breaking national and/or international laws IRL) shenanigans, and that only got curbed when the mod team stepped in, then went right back to the gutter when people thought the mods had stopped looking. Moderation got tired of having to constantly step in when players didn't police themselves in those threads.
It got bloody ridiculous. Moderation decided, rightly, IMHO, to just not put up with it.
Well, then, why don't we make a new category for regions called "C/CLT"? It would be a nice replacement. Besides, regional moderators can hunt down the bullocks anyways. That would basically make C/CLT's obsolete.
by Jebslund » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:08 am
Nilrahrarfan wrote:Jebslund wrote:Short version: C/CLTs invariably descended into cybering and other rulebreaking/potentially illegal (as in breaking national and/or international laws IRL) shenanigans, and that only got curbed when the mod team stepped in, then went right back to the gutter when people thought the mods had stopped looking. Moderation got tired of having to constantly step in when players didn't police themselves in those threads.
It got bloody ridiculous. Moderation decided, rightly, IMHO, to just not put up with it.
Well, then, why don't we make a new category for regions called "C/CLT"? It would be a nice replacement. Besides, regional moderators can hunt down the bullocks anyways. That would basically make C/CLT's obsolete.
by The Sherpa Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:22 am
by Valentine Z » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:12 am
The Sherpa Empire wrote:There's nothing to stop anyone from using their RMB as a C/CLT space under the current rules. If you want to do that, go found a region and do it.
Don't start cybering, though.
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