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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:41 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Nova Vandalia wrote:
Coming up with a way to feel victimized on a game, appears to serve their narrative better as they've already been told to go do this. But it appear actually doing something to fix the "issue", doesn't appear to actually be something this person wants, because it would invalidate that need to feel like the victim of a website created by an Australian being "un-American"



What a bullshit response, I don't feel victimized, Unlike you and your ilk of ANTIFA shitheads I keep on keeping on! The context was as of late all my issues have been marxist socialist crap!

Also, define marxism and socialism for me please. Without looking it up.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:48 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:

What a bullshit response, I don't feel victimized, Unlike you and your ilk of ANTIFA shitheads I keep on keeping on! The context was as of late all my issues have been marxist socialist crap!

Also, define marxism and socialism for me please. Without looking it up.

Unfortunately, many Americans don't understand it beyond it being "bad." Of course, obviously non-socialist policies also get falsely labeled as such by them as well.
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Postby Tobleste » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:I am tired of the constant illogical Marxist views on issues, the game has become ponderous with a constant bias on Capitalism is bad, and Immigration is Racist, etc...

Let me remind you no Country in the history of the World has risen more people form sickness and poverty and given more opportunity and education then that of the USA and Capitalism!

My choices are;

Screw Insurance Companies
Screw Good Doctors caught in a poor system
Screw People that were injured by Doctors mistakes
OR Universal Healthcare!

Are you fucking kidding me?

Whoever wrote this better be living in some bullshit socialist Country! I am so tired of the Anti American ways of life, all while sucking off the teets of the USA!

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To be fair, many right wing Americans have a tendency to scream about logic and bias whenever their own wacky views get mocked so I don't care that you think it's biased. If anything, I'm glad you do. If you didn't, there'd be a problem.

The issues frequently give us no ideal middle ground option. If they did, it'd be easy.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:55 am

Still perturbed as to why someone who'd nominally call leftists snowflakes is suddenly the triggered one here.

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Postby Tobleste » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:56 am

Havenburghe wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Yes, that is the nature of politics. There are few easy choices. "Here is your perfect and easy choice, here is your terrible choice" would be dull.

I'm starting to think this guy is either extremely young and ignorant or a straight troll.


I just think he's a Republican. It can be hard to distinguish between them and teenage trolls.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:58 am

Tobleste wrote:
Havenburghe wrote:I'm starting to think this guy is either extremely young and ignorant or a straight troll.


I just think he's a Republican. It can be hard to distinguish between them and teenage trolls.

Don't stoop to his level.

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Postby Tobleste » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:00 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
I just think he's a Republican. It can be hard to distinguish between them and teenage trolls.

Don't stoop to his level.


I'm being serious. Many people thought Trump was just trolling but he basically owns the GOP now. Trolling and republicanism are indistinguishable now.
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Postby North Cromch » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:now the Game has been overrun with Socialists

Good.

I, for one, welcome our new socialist overloards.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 am

Tobleste wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Don't stoop to his level.


I'm being serious. Many people thought Trump was just trolling but he basically owns the GOP now. Trolling and republicanism are indistinguishable now.

Trollnaming is a rules violation here. I'm trying to help you.

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Postby Cereskia » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:04 am

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Postby Tobleste » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:04 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
I'm being serious. Many people thought Trump was just trolling but he basically owns the GOP now. Trolling and republicanism are indistinguishable now.

Trollnaming is a rules violation here. I'm trying to help you.


I'm not calling him a troll. I'm actually saying that I don't think he is.
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Postby Arisyan » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:05 am

Looks like this has turned into an average NSG thread, I see. It should be in gameplay, but I wouldn't really complain if this got locked.

Anyways, yeah this is an extremely bad take and as a Canadian your arguments are quite wrong.
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:06 am

I’m a libertarian, which means I like capitalism, it also means that I like freedom of speech. However, I don’t like the free speech coming out of your mouth, just because some people disagree with you. So here’s a tissue box Oh what’s that? You won’t take it for free, because that’s socialist? Another mistake you made, is that universal healthcare (Which is a system I support, because I don’t like people dying.), is not socialist, it’s liberal.
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Postby Valentine Z » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:06 am

As many have told you already, this is a satirical game - every single political ideology on the spectrum have been satirized and made fun of. I am late to this, but no, the number of nations on NS are actually on the favor of the capitalists, so the "Game is overrun with socialists" is... wrong.

Data as of February 2021, but I can sort of still speculate that over the months, the ratio has been more or less the same.
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It is technically true that we have more Left-Wing and Socialist nations here in terms of category, BUT it is also important to note that you can choose your leanings to a strong extent in the nation creations. So this was a bit more due to user choices.
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But rest-assured that you can indeed have more capitalist issues. Source: I am the current curator and maintenance person of the Issues Megathread, and it would seem like you didn't do a lot of pro-market choices.

Also, we do have some of the most successful capitalists. Hello, Northern Borland!

Also also, as a nation who is currently 15th on Inclusiveness and has embraced Immigration unlike no other (both canonically and by stats), I beg to differ on the implication that Immigration = Racist.
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Postby Picairn » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:07 am

Meh, the issues and their effects are exaggerated but you can chart a balance by swinging the political pendulum between options. My nation for example, swings back and forth on civil rights and political freedom, hence why my Authoritarianism stat keeps steadily fluctuating.
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Postby Cereskia » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:12 am

I was classified as Democratic socialist country for a good grest portion of my NS career, and i don't mind!

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:18 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Nova Vandalia wrote:
Coming up with a way to feel victimized on a game, appears to serve their narrative better as they've already been told to go do this. But it appear actually doing something to fix the "issue", doesn't appear to actually be something this person wants, because it would invalidate that need to feel like the victim of a website created by an Australian being "un-American"



What a bullshit response, I don't feel victimized, Unlike you and your ilk of ANTIFA shitheads I keep on keeping on! The context was as of late all my issues have been marxist socialist crap!


Yeah so far you've proven you don't feel victimized about as well as Kolestia proved that he wasn't dehumanizing Muslims.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:19 am

Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:I’m a libertarian, which means I like capitalism, it also means that I like freedom of speech. However, I don’t like the free speech coming out of your mouth, just because some people disagree with you. So here’s a tissue box Oh what’s that? You won’t take it for free, because that’s socialist? Another mistake you made, is that universal healthcare (Which is a system I support, because I don’t like people dying.), is not socialist, it’s liberal.


People keep mixing up social democracy and socialism. Like really, are we supposed to believe that 1950s America was socialist too?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:20 am

Tobleste wrote:
Havenburghe wrote:I'm starting to think this guy is either extremely young and ignorant or a straight troll.


I just think he's a Republican. It can be hard to distinguish between them and teenage trolls.


Many of the fans of the former president act like overgrown teenagers. That's not surprising since the former president had the maturity of a 14 year old at best and the vocabulary of a third grader.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:21 am

Tobleste wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Don't stoop to his level.


I'm being serious. Many people thought Trump was just trolling but he basically owns the GOP now. Trolling and republicanism are indistinguishable now.


"We do a little trolling." -Donald Trump

You think I'm joking but he actually said this.
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:26 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:I’m a libertarian, which means I like capitalism, it also means that I like freedom of speech. However, I don’t like the free speech coming out of your mouth, just because some people disagree with you. So here’s a tissue box Oh what’s that? You won’t take it for free, because that’s socialist? Another mistake you made, is that universal healthcare (Which is a system I support, because I don’t like people dying.), is not socialist, it’s liberal.


People keep mixing up social democracy and socialism. Like really, are we supposed to believe that 1950s America was socialist too?

Too true, the ideologies are very different, social democracy is centrist, socialism is leftist. This guy is just sad because people disagree with him on the internet.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:32 am

Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
People keep mixing up social democracy and socialism. Like really, are we supposed to believe that 1950s America was socialist too?

Too true, the ideologies are very different, social democracy is centrist, socialism is leftist. This guy is just sad because people disagree with him on the internet.


Think of how far right someone has to be to think that providing basic needs to people living in a society is literally Stalin.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:36 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Many of the fans of the former president act like overgrown teenagers. That's not surprising since the former president had the maturity of a 14 year old at best and the vocabulary of a third grader.


You're really insulting to 14 year olds. Even my 5 year olds nephew shows more maturity than Trump on many occasions ;)
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Postby Aemannrael » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:36 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Nothing wrong with universal healthcare.



Ask Canadians that wait a Month to see a Doctor and lose there legs because of a blood clot! Allowing the State to determine if you are worthy of being cared for is not freedom!

As opposed to a CEO without a medical degree who determines whether you are worthy of being cared for?

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Postby Cereskia » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:36 am

Fuck Ideology.

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