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ROFLOLMAO LAND
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby ROFLOLMAO LAND » Tue May 02, 2023 6:39 am

I'm too lazy to load up your github code tbh, but I would like a list of nations of the top 50 disposable income with low economic freedom <-66, high income equality >72, population >20 billion.

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Valentine Z
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Valentine Z » Tue May 02, 2023 8:07 am

Before this gets locked up for gravedigging, I would like to vouch for myself that yes, this is still ongoing and I would like to continue this project still!

So many months have passed (along with the users who have requested, possibly no longer around), I apologise for the umpteenth time. I really want to get on and continue with this, but as you may be able to tell, I am also caught up in other projects, along with RL stuff, so things have been a little busy on both aspects. I definitely can't make promises, but hey, let me *try* to be a bit more consistent.

ROFLOLMAO LAND wrote:I'm too lazy to load up your github code tbh, but I would like a list of nations of the top 50 disposable income with low economic freedom <-66, high income equality >72, population >20 billion.

As requested, here are the top 50, accurate as of October 2022. I will try to get some later data as soon as possible, but I can't make promises.
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ROFLOLMAO LAND
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby ROFLOLMAO LAND » Thu May 04, 2023 7:00 am

Valentine Z wrote:Before this gets locked up for gravedigging, I would like to vouch for myself that yes, this is still ongoing and I would like to continue this project still!

So many months have passed (along with the users who have requested, possibly no longer around), I apologise for the umpteenth time. I really want to get on and continue with this, but as you may be able to tell, I am also caught up in other projects, along with RL stuff, so things have been a little busy on both aspects. I definitely can't make promises, but hey, let me *try* to be a bit more consistent.

ROFLOLMAO LAND wrote:I'm too lazy to load up your github code tbh, but I would like a list of nations of the top 50 disposable income with low economic freedom <-66, high income equality >72, population >20 billion.

As requested, here are the top 50, accurate as of October 2022. I will try to get some later data as soon as possible, but I can't make promises.

Dang, I wonder where I am in the current data, what about with black market spending in the bottom 70%?

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Postby Valentine Z » Sat Mar 09, 2024 12:31 am

Nearly a year, wow. All right, please do allow me some time to dust off the cobwebs and dust and everything- anddddd we are back!

I don't know how to put this without making it sound very cheap and insincere - my apologies for letting this place die for nearly a year and wow, you know you did a not-so-good job when the people that posted here for requests or comments are CTE. That's a bad sign! Well, we could start a new thread, but hey, I like this thread, so let's continue.

Cutting to the chase - I am back with a new set of data! It has a total of 309530 rows / nations worth of data, along with many other small goodies like calculated indexes (for instance, Ransium's Greenness Index), and my own Softness Index (Summation of Normalized Compassion, Inclusiveness, Niceness, and Cheerfulness), and more importantly - Time of Extraction and Founding Dates. With Time of Extraction, you and I can see the data being extracted at what time for which nation. It also shows that my extraction/API calls began at 2024-02-28 03:23:52 (GMT) and then ends at 2024-03-08 21:44:00 (GMT), with a few hours of downtime due to Firefox's tab crash. The individual nations may have differing stats, but the trend itself may not be that upset-ted.

This 6th dataset is designated All Nations - 2024-02-28 111820.txt, sitting at a massive 789 MB (a mere text file!).

So later in the day, I will start with #5-5 (will be #6-1): Culture (Y) vs Food Quality (X). Again, my many thanks for your kind support and for looking at this long-term project, and I would like to also reassure you that you are not being snuffed or thrown under the bus when your request is done with older data; you are more than welcome to request for a new analysis on the same two data points! For now, though, please do let me finish the backlog of requests first, so I will open them again later when I am done with #5-12.

Cheers, and wishing everyone a great day! ♥
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#6-1: Culture (Y) vs Food Quality (X)

Postby Valentine Z » Sat Mar 09, 2024 8:06 am

Culture (Y) vs Food Quality (X), requested by Land Without Shrimp. Let's see how it goes! ♥

With density as the Z-axis:
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Population as the Z-axis, all Linear-Linear:
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Number of Issues Answered as the Z-axis, all Linear-Linear:
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X-axis histograms:
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Y-axis histograms:
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X max: 1 - Half-Milers with x = 896.04 and y = 2,041
X min: 1 - Nadir Dystopia with x = 0.74 and y = -1,174
Y max: 1 - Complexo with x = 854.50 and y = 2,082
Y min: 2 - Copercia with x = 1.35 and y = -1,284

X and Y relations:

High Food Quality (> 64.73), High Culture (> 80.00): 22369 nations out of 309530.
Low Food Quality (< 7.16), Low Culture (< 59.00): 15825 nations out of 309530.
High Food Quality (> 64.73), Low Culture (< 59.00): 7947 nations out of 309530
Low Food Quality (< 7.16), High Culture (> 80.00): 14217 nations out of 309530.

So, there it is! Once again, it is possible for all of these 4 scenarios to happen, albeit with differing odds and chances. Note that the numbers are, once again, the Top 10% and Bottom 10% values, at least from using the statistics that I have currently, so it might be a little different from what you have at the moment. So let's look at the four occurrences.

The first one is, naturally, a little more obvious. You have nations with both the high food quality and the high culture, which would mean that their food is pretty darn amazing, and they are also cultured in their ways. Culture here necessarily does not mean just the food itself, so you have things like music, entertainment, holidays, festivals, and anything else along the way. With that said, these nations are the pinnacles in both their food and their culture, and definitely good places to visit for your holiday! Enjoy the culture and the food itself. <3

The second one - low food quality and low culture - occurs the second most in terms of the top/bottom statistics. These nations are not very cultured. I would say cultural deprivation, but unless we look at inclusiveness too, I would not say that this is a discrimination problem; rather, seems like that the entire nation is just uncultured, lacking knowledge in art, special interests, hobby, and of course, food itself. Maybe their foods are barebones and normal, in the sense that they are just so darn plain but they do get the job done (which, again, we need to look into health for the nations). Basically, nations that are unlearned and did not bother with spicing up their foods.

The third one - high food quality and low culture - this occurs the least in the top/bottom statistics. Not very cultured nations and yet, their foods simply are amazing! How could this be? Several theories abound! Could be that their ingredients are simply amazing. Their foods may be simpler, which does not necessarily mean it's bad; simple food can be appetizing! Simple food also means that there are no big and complex preparations to be made, and it can be enjoyed by many. It's a bit like how a simple peasant's food (words from history, not mine) can mean so much to so many people, so it could be that!

Ahhhh now the most interesting one in my opinion - high culture, yet low food quality. How could this be? Well, as we said - high culture does not automatically make food good! Again, several theories. Maybe they don't have access to the ingredients that they need, and the ersatz food cannot make up for that. Maybe a nation full of bad cooks? Maybe they are bad on purpose? Alternatively, if you can consider other-worldly non-human beings, then it may be that the WA census takers cannot simply enjoy the more alien food palette. Whatever is the reason, it can be said that these nations are great for tourists to appreciate their entertainment and all; just avoid the food as much as possible, the reviews may say!

And now to compare these with population.

High Food Quality (> 64.73), High Culture (> 80.00), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 6439 nations out of 309530.
High Food Quality (> 64.73), High Culture (> 80.00), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Low Food Quality (< 7.16), Low Culture (< 59.00), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 1787 nations out of 309530.
Low Food Quality (< 7.16), Low Culture (< 59.00), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 64 nations out of 309530.

High Food Quality (> 64.73), Low Culture (< 59.00), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 96 nations out of 309530.
High Food Quality (> 64.73), Low Culture (< 59.00), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Low Food Quality (< 7.16), High Culture (> 80.00), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 485 nations out of 309530.
Low Food Quality (< 7.16), High Culture (> 80.00), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Low Food Quality and Low Culture can be obtained, but they don't seem to be starters. Basically, the whole statistics above indicate that it's the two stats that you need to commit your time and effort into. So, how do they fare against Issues Answered metric?

Comparison with Number of Issues Answered:

High Food Quality (> 64.73), High Culture (> 80.00), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 8793 nations out of 309530.
High Food Quality (> 64.73), High Culture (> 80.00), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 897 nations out of 309530.

Low Food Quality (< 7.16), Low Culture (< 59.00), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 5072 nations out of 309530.
Low Food Quality (< 7.16), Low Culture (< 59.00), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 1114 nations out of 309530.

High Food Quality (> 64.73), Low Culture (< 59.00), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 598 nations out of 309530.
High Food Quality (> 64.73), Low Culture (< 59.00), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 8 nations out of 309530.

Low Food Quality (< 7.16), High Culture (> 80.00), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 2380 nations out of 309530.
Low Food Quality (< 7.16), High Culture (> 80.00), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 36 nations out of 309530.

Now this is a little bit more interesting. High Food Quality and Culture can be reached if you answer issues correctly long enough. The second one can be obtained by answering a few issues to drop the stats down. The third one is a wee bit tricky to get even for those that answers issue regularly. And the last one is the next tricky one, though more nations have achieved this.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Mar 10, 2024 3:23 am

Valentine Z wrote:Before this gets locked up for gravedigging, I would like to vouch for myself that yes, this is still ongoing and I would like to continue this project still!

I'm glad to read that. :)


Here's a request for comparison that might seem a bit off-the-wall, or maybeso outside-the-box: Culture and Death Rate! I've just answered two issues by choosing options that increased the former, and both of those lowered the latter, but this nation actually has high values in both so I'm wondering what the general relationship between them looks like...
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The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
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Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Thorn1000
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Corporate Police State

Postby Thorn1000 » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:42 am

Valentine Z wrote:Before this gets locked up for gravedigging, I would like to vouch for myself that yes, this is still ongoing and I would like to continue this project still!

Hey there Val, I’d love to see government size against number of issues answered, possibly with some sort of indication of nations that had a gold badge in that at the time of polling if you have placement info. Thank you!
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Valentine Z » Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:13 am

I will see what I do with that request - I should be able to do it! ♥

I have added both Thorn1000 and Bears Armed's requests. Thanks again for your support too!
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Postby Giovanniland » Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:10 pm

Glad to see that this has been revived, Val!

I have a tad unorthodox request since I'm not sure if you have the data, but I figured it's worth a try: number of gold (top 1%) badges.

It'd be very interesting to see both a raw leaderboard for this, since there isn't any way in NS to see which nations have the most gold badges, as well as some graphical comparisons, particularly number of gold badges vs issues answered.
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#6-2: Business Subsidization (Y) vs Economy (X)

Postby Valentine Z » Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:28 am

Business Subsidization (Y) vs Economy (X), requested by Betelgeuse Alliance - I am 37 days too late, I'm so sorry about that! Come on, let's get to it!

With density as the Z-axis:
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Population as the Z-axis, all Linear-Linear:
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Number of Issues Answered as the Z-axis, all Linear-Linear:
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X-axis histograms:
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Y-axis histograms:
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X max: 1 - The Dark System with x = 110.85 and y = 56,379.24
X min AND Y min: 1 - Nadir Dystopia with x = -2.97 and y = -98.84
Y max: 1 - Grativalu with x = 102.92 and y = 133,246.47
Y min: See above.

X and Y relations:

High Economy (> 98.80), High Business Subsidization (> 5,530.55): 25977 nations out of 309530.
Low Economy (< 25.00), Low Business Subsidization (< -3.16): 431 nations out of 309530.
High Economy (> 98.80), Low Business Subsidization (< -3.16): 4967 nations out of 309530.
Low Economy (< 25.00), High Business Subsidization (> 5,530.55): 29555 nations out of 309530.

And now to compare these with population.

High Economy (> 98.80), High Business Subsidization (> 5,530.55), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 4936 nations out of 309530.
High Economy (> 98.80), High Business Subsidization (> 5,530.55), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Low Economy (< 25.00), Low Business Subsidization (< -3.16), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 135 nations out of 309530.
Low Economy (< 25.00), Low Business Subsidization (< -3.16), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 23 nations out of 309530.

High Economy (> 98.80), Low Business Subsidization (< -3.16), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 145 nations out of 309530.
High Economy (> 98.80), Low Business Subsidization (< -3.16), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Low Economy (< 25.00), High Business Subsidization (> 5,530.55), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 8 nations out of 309530.
Low Economy (< 25.00), High Business Subsidization (> 5,530.55), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Comparison with Number of Issues Answered:

High Economy (> 98.80), High Business Subsidization (> 5,530.55), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 19218 nations out of 309530.
High Economy (> 98.80), High Business Subsidization (> 5,530.55), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 184 nations out of 309530.

Low Economy (< 25.00), Low Business Subsidization (< -3.16), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 26 nations out of 309530.
Low Economy (< 25.00), Low Business Subsidization (< -3.16), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 301 nations out of 309530.

High Economy (> 98.80), Low Business Subsidization (< -3.16), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 49 nations out of 309530.
High Economy (> 98.80), Low Business Subsidization (< -3.16), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 23 nations out of 309530.

Low Economy (< 25.00), High Business Subsidization (> 5,530.55), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 3 nations out of 309530.
Low Economy (< 25.00), High Business Subsidization (> 5,530.55), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 3 nations out of 309530.

Once again, the values are taken from Top 10% and Bottom 10% of the statistics, but for number of issues answered, I considered < 100 and > 1000 respectively. This is quite an interesting one! So first and foremost, one would expect a high economy to be paired with high business subsidization. This is a more obvious one, because if you subsidize the businesses well and good enough, then your economy is going to improve. There is not much to it for this one, at least, not from me. I don’t really have a lot of theories for this, just that it’s just that way. This can only happen to nations that are actively dealing with the matters (issues), and only for the larger nations (population).

Then you have the second one, which should also be obvious – with low business subsidization, naturally comes low economy. However, the number of nations that get this is relatively the lowest, which does not seem to make as much sense considering the trend and the graph that we can see. This, however, would seem to stem more from the more technical aspect with issue answering and population. If you are considering ALL of the nations, then yes – the low Economy and low Subsidization group is the smallest. This group, also, seems to come more from the nations that has not answered a lot of nations. That would make sense in terms of emulating nations that have more or less stagnated. Their economy is not exactly a basket case all the time, it’s just that it may not be the priority for these nations. With that, comes the relative lack of subsidization, and as a result, the whole cycle goes on. This might represent small island nations and regions that are perhaps doing fine with their own smaller industries such as the likes of tourism. This can also happen to larger nations, mainly ones that has not often dealt with issues.

The third one – High Economy, and Low Business Subsidization. This is nations (and their respective companies) where they didn’t need business subsidies to get themselves started. They are doing pretty great on their own, and then some more. One that immediately crossed my mind was that they are a rich nation that is very heavily involved in defense and firearms industries, with endless number of contracts coming to their way – no subsidy needed, for they are already getting high economy ratings and output from this. On the other hand, it does not necessarily have to be war-involved nations, such as the ones that have been invested in and developed by mega companies. That won’t need subsidies because the companies have the capital to bring it to the nation. This cannot happen to small nations, though it can happen to large nations whether or not they are active in addressing matters/issues.

The fourth one – Low Economy and High Business Subsidization. Now this is where things get extremely interesting! By themselves, you get 29555 nations out of the 309530 in the database. However, you filter it by the high and low populations, and then the whole thing does down. Why does this happen? I have a theory – average/developing nations! They are not first-world countries, but they are also not third-world countries either. They are not the smallest nations that you can see, but they are also not the largest either. These are the nations that have attracted a lot of attention from the businesses and they are investing a good percentage of their capital into the nation, with thoughts and dreams that one day, this nation just might pay them dividends. The future is certainly rather uncertain for these nations – their economy is low but it can either develop or implode from that point. They are active (to a certain extent) in addressing the national issues and matters, some of which can involve businesses. They are in the middle in terms of population, indicative of nations that are gaining traction, but has a lot to prove.
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:29 am

Giovanniland wrote:Glad to see that this has been revived, Val!

I have a tad unorthodox request since I'm not sure if you have the data, but I figured it's worth a try: number of gold (top 1%) badges.

It'd be very interesting to see both a raw leaderboard for this, since there isn't any way in NS to see which nations have the most gold badges, as well as some graphical comparisons, particularly number of gold badges vs issues answered.

Added! I should be able to find out, because I have both the numbers and the ranks, so.. should be okay with this! ♥
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Corporate Bordello

Postby Giovanniland » Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:03 pm

Valentine Z wrote:
Giovanniland wrote:Glad to see that this has been revived, Val!

I have a tad unorthodox request since I'm not sure if you have the data, but I figured it's worth a try: number of gold (top 1%) badges.

It'd be very interesting to see both a raw leaderboard for this, since there isn't any way in NS to see which nations have the most gold badges, as well as some graphical comparisons, particularly number of gold badges vs issues answered.

Added! I should be able to find out, because I have both the numbers and the ranks, so.. should be okay with this! ♥

That's great to hear, thank you!
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#6-3: Compassion (X) vs Niceness (Y) vs Inclusiveness (Z)

Postby Valentine Z » Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:51 am

Compassion (X) vs Niceness (Y) vs Inclusiveness (Z) - Requested by Umbratellus! This is a very, VERY big one! It’s not that bad, but since I was restructuring the code and making it nice, it took a little longer than usual. There is definitely going to be a lot of data ahead. As it turns out, adding another axis makes it a lot more. To be very clear, this is not a rant against those who requested. I love doing this, in fact! Anyway, let us get started, all right? ^^

With density as the Z-axis:
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Inclusiveness as the Z-axis, all linear scales.
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Population as the Z-axis, all linear scales.
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Number of Issues Answered as the Z-axis, all linear scales.
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X-axis histograms:
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Y-axis histograms:
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Z-axis histograms:
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X max: 1 – Kindjal
X min: 1 – Cutote
Y max: 1 – Kindjal
Y min: 8 – Eretzisrael, King Carl, Haedlia, Overdosed Crackheads, Cutote, Nadir Dystopia, The Goggles, Corfad
Z max: 1 – Thalasse
Z min: 2 – Haedlia and Nadir Dystopia
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Now the grand feast – the relations! Well, there are three variables in the first place, with two more to compare. This is gonna be quite exciting, albeit a little messy and time consuming!
X and Y and Z relations:
High Compassion (> 49.24), High Niceness (> 18.96), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50): 20686 nations out of 309530.
High Compassion (> 49.24), High Niceness (> 18.96), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44): 293 nations out of 309530.

Low Compassion (< 19.43), Low Niceness (< 0.76), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50): 2575 nations out of 309530.
Low Compassion (< 19.43), Low Niceness (< 0.76), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44): 20233 nations out of 309530.

High Compassion (> 49.24), Low Niceness (< 0.76), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50): 20 nations out of 309530.
High Compassion (> 49.24), Low Niceness (< 0.76), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44): 1 nations out of 309530.

Low Compassion (< 19.43), High Niceness (> 18.96), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50): 25 nations out of 309530.
Low Compassion (< 19.43), High Niceness (> 18.96), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44): 4 nations out of 309530.

We will start here with the basics first, just the stats without the population and issues answered. HHH is the more obvious one, because if a person is very compassionate and nice, chances are also good that they are also quite tolerant to an extent and loves everyone for who they are. Valentine Z agrees! Then you have the HHL, which is rare but still quite numerous. For these nations, you have the compassionate and nice people, but they are also not as exclusive. This could mean a few things, but I thought of two theories – either that they are isolated in some world where people are a bit uniform and so they don’t find diversity to be a good thing… which in turn could also mean that they are in a dictatorship of sorts. Maybe they didn’t know the segregation and discrimination happening deep down, or that they are still nice and compassionate people but the government forced them with such a measure.

Then you have the LLH. Not compassionate and not nice, but they are very highly inclusive. I know what you are all thinking – Full Metal Jacket, anyone? There is no racial bigotry here. And that line I would rather not repeat here! Here you are all equally worthless! So this is the most obvious one to me. Maybe there are other factors and scenarios, like people being gloomy, moody, rude, etc, from being tired from all the work or war or whatever else. They, however, know deep down that including everyone is the way to be. This is unlike the LLL – not compassionate, not nice, and definitely not inclusive. They are already bad enough with each other, so imagine these nations’ people meeting someone that is different either from their own country or from outside. Things may not go well – and unfortunately, this is also something that happens in real life. Here, it is the second most numerous group out of 8.

Then you have another pair – HLH and HLL, a relatively very rare breed of nations. HLH folks are compassionate and inclusiveness, but they are also pretty rude with that low niceness. Maybe they just express it another way? It is a bit of a step up from FMJ example above that they are at least compassionate. So they do care about you, but in a very different way – tough love, perhaps. Then you have HLL which is tough love combined with intolerance for anyone that is different from them. They obviously care about someone, but they are also pretty rude with them. For this particular nation, no help for the person if they are different from the others. I would like to take this time to mention that yes, the data are statistical. The statements made in all these analysis, however, are all my personal opinion. Each nation is different, so all we can do (unless they have factbooks, RPs) is to guess what they are like.

Then the last pair – LHH and LHL – a little bit more than the previous pair. Both of them are a bit interesting – Low Compassion, High Niceness, High Inclusiveness. This would imply very tolerant and nice people, but they are also very apathetic towards the others. If someone fell behind, well, it’s the way of life for these folks. If someone made a mistake, they might not hear the end of it, that kind of deal. The LHL, on the other hand, are this, but amplified with the fact that they are not tolerant at all. All they are is nice and friendly, but they will turn away at, for example, a donation, and they might not comment as nicely towards someone who is different. Very narrow scope of nice.

And now to compare these with population. It’s not so much that I didn’t want to analyse; more of that I believe this is just from a pure technical standpoint. In other words, in real life and in nations, there is no restriction that says that only larger or smaller countries can be nice, compassionate, or inclusive. I am aware that there are cases and exceptions, perhaps like an isolated nation that is very small and didn’t have a lot of people to begin with, let alone interactions with anyone different from them (i.e. Low Pop and Low Inclusiveness).

High Compassion (> 49.24), High Niceness (> 18.96), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 3868 nations out of 309530.
High Compassion (> 49.24), High Niceness (> 18.96), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 26 nations out of 309530.

High Compassion (> 49.24), High Niceness (> 18.96), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 95 nations out of 309530.
High Compassion (> 49.24), High Niceness (> 18.96), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Low Compassion (< 19.43), Low Niceness (< 0.76), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 794 nations out of 309530.
Low Compassion (< 19.43), Low Niceness (< 0.76), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Low Compassion (< 19.43), Low Niceness (< 0.76), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 3139 nations out of 309530.
Low Compassion (< 19.43), Low Niceness (< 0.76), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 3 nations out of 309530.

High Compassion (> 49.24), Low Niceness (< 0.76), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 15 nations out of 309530.
High Compassion (> 49.24), Low Niceness (< 0.76), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

High Compassion (> 49.24), Low Niceness (< 0.76), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.
High Compassion (> 49.24), Low Niceness (< 0.76), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Low Compassion (< 19.43), High Niceness (> 18.96), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 23 nations out of 309530.
Low Compassion (< 19.43), High Niceness (> 18.96), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Low Compassion (< 19.43), High Niceness (> 18.96), Low Inclusiveness (< 128.50), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 3 nations out of 309530.
Low Compassion (< 19.43), High Niceness (> 18.96), Low Inclusiveness (< 128.50), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Comparison with Number of Issues Answered.

High Compassion (> 49.24), High Niceness (> 18.96), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), High Issues Answered (> 1,000): 6003 nations out of 309530.
High Compassion (> 49.24), High Niceness (> 18.96), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), Low Issues Answered (< 100): 727 nations out of 309530.

High Compassion (> 49.24), High Niceness (> 18.96), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), High Issues Answered (> 1,000): 91 nations out of 309530.
High Compassion (> 49.24), High Niceness (> 18.96), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), Low Issues Answered (< 100): 19 nations out of 309530.

Low Compassion (< 19.43), Low Niceness (< 0.76), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), High Issues Answered (> 1,000): 1752 nations out of 309530.
Low Compassion (< 19.43), Low Niceness (< 0.76), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), Low Issues Answered (< 100): 32 nations out of 309530.

Low Compassion (< 19.43), Low Niceness (< 0.76), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), High Issues Answered (> 1,000): 10039 nations out of 309530.
Low Compassion (< 19.43), Low Niceness (< 0.76), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), Low Issues Answered (< 100): 513 nations out of 309530.

High Compassion (> 49.24), Low Niceness (< 0.76), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), High Issues Answered (> 1,000): 15 nations out of 309530.
High Compassion (> 49.24), Low Niceness (< 0.76), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), Low Issues Answered (< 100): 1 nations out of 309530.

High Compassion (> 49.24), Low Niceness (< 0.76), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), High Issues Answered (> 1,000): 1 nations out of 309530.
High Compassion (> 49.24), Low Niceness (< 0.76), Low Inclusiveness (< 57.44), Low Issues Answered (< 100): 0 nations out of 309530.
This one is interesting. It’s not that the nation has stagnated in addressing social matters; they did, but it’s just the nature of that population.

Low Compassion (< 19.43), High Niceness (> 18.96), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), High Issues Answered (> 1,000): 18 nations out of 309530.
Low Compassion (< 19.43), High Niceness (> 18.96), High Inclusiveness (> 128.50), Low Issues Answered (< 100): 2 nations out of 309530.

Low Compassion (< 19.43), High Niceness (> 18.96), Low Inclusiveness (< 128.50), High Issues Answered (> 1,000): 1 nations out of 309530.
Low Compassion (< 19.43), High Niceness (> 18.96), Low Inclusiveness (< 128.50), Low Issues Answered (< 100): 3 nations out of 309530.
Same with this one. That one nation that answered more than a thousand issues, but again, just the nature of that population.
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Postby Umbratellus » Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:12 pm

Valentine Z wrote:-snip for brevity-

Fantastic analysis! I'd say as a whole, it provides a measure of support for my original hypothesis (very little distinction between compassion, niceness, and inclusivity), with HHH & LLL being far and away the most numerous categories (by a factor of 10 for the next largest category, and a factor of 100 for the next). The existence of other categories does ultimately prove it's more of a corollary relationship though, with prevailing playstyles favoring an extreme in one tending to favor an extreme in all.

The LLH category being as large as it is is quite intriguing to me; my first guess would be that these nations tend to have robust civil rights but little in the way of welfare or foreign aid; possibly ancap/libertarian styled nations. The opposite of this category, HHL, I would imagine probably swings the other way; low/absent civil rights but a robust welfare or foreign aid regime.

Besides those four categories, the rest seem more-or-less like statistical outliers, though the fact that two of them had those 1 nations with >1000 issues answered is definitely intriguing!

Thanks again, I appreciate you digging into the numbers on this one.
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:16 pm

Low Compassion, High Niceness I would associate with the sort of people who use a veneer of fake politeness to mask what they really think about you.

High Compassion, Low Inclusiveness could mean they're compassionate only to their in-group and act mean to others, but it could also mean that they're less "outright hatred of outsiders" and more "pressure to conform". They might think they're doing you a favor by teaching you how to fit in better. Alternatively, it could also mean the sort of nations where disabled people are viewed as needing to be sheltered and pampered by their betters, being taken care of without having to lift a finger of their own, but not trusted to do any kind of useful work.

Low Compassion, High Inclusiveness I think you hit the nail on the head: "we hate/abuse everyone equally".

Umbratellus wrote:The LLH category being as large as it is is quite intriguing to me; my first guess would be that these nations tend to have robust civil rights but little in the way of welfare or foreign aid; possibly ancap/libertarian styled nations.
Good point. That does seem like something libertarians would go for.

Umbratellus wrote:The opposite of this category, HHL, I would imagine probably swings the other way; low/absent civil rights but a robust welfare or foreign aid regime.
Having high foreign aid combined with anti-immigrant policies would be interesting. "We're all for improving the lives of Bigtopians, so long as they stay in Bigtopia!"

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#6-4: Black Market (Y) vs Economic Freedom (X)

Postby Valentine Z » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:25 am

Black Market (Y) vs Economic Freedom (X) - Requested by Wizlandia. This is a relatively more straightforward one, and as we go on, we might see a couple of interesting trends to these two, along with the population and number of issues answered. Along the way, I will also partially use what I would like to call Adjusted Economic Freedom. Suggested and thanks to SherpDeWerp, the idea is as follows: If the Economic Freedom is < 0, then you add 100 to it. Otherwise, you leave it as it is. The idea is to merge the range of economic freedom to [0, 100] instead of [-100, 100]. In other words, a nation with -5 Economic Freedom may be perceived as having 95 on the Adjusted EF. The ones with 0, on the other hand, are a little bit tricky. It is still a work in progress, and I do hope to improve it as we move on. For the time being, I will show Adjusted EF to an extent, but we will still use EF itself. Let’s get into it now!

With density as the Z-axis. Also note the linear threshold and the ticks on the respective axes. Symlog is used in order to account for the <= 0 values when calculating logarithms, i.e. if X = 0, lg X = 0. If X < 0, lg X = -lg (abs(X)).
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Population as the Z-axis, all linear scales.
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Number of Issues Answered as the Z-axis, all linear scales.
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Now with Adjusted Economic Freedom instead of Economic Freedom.
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X-axis histograms:
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Y-axis histograms:
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Hmm, linear values for BM is a bit difficult. Let’s look differently! Y-axis histogram, BUT with Y having symmetrical log applied to it. For example, if horizontal axis = 12.0, that means Black Market for that nation = 10^12.
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X max and Y max: 0
X min and Y min: 4 – My Lands Government, Domarcan, Polis Populi, and Meleria. The interesting thing is that this ONLY happens to starting nations. Edit to add: These 4 nations also don't have Capitalism as a policy.
X max and Y min: 0
X min and Y max: 0

X max: 1566
X min: 355
Y max: 1 – Bright Angel.
Y min: 28
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Now onto the relations! This time there will only be two variables, though if you add the Adjusted Economic Freedom too, ehh why not!
X and Y relations:
High Economic Freedom (> 84.17), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000): 473 nations out of 309530.
Low Economic Freedom (< -78.50), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000): 5933 nations out of 309530.
High Economic Freedom (> 84.17), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000): 30478 nations out of 309530.
Low Economic Freedom (< -78.50), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000): 24952 nations out of 309530.

High Adjusted Economic Freedom (> 84.22), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000): 467 nations out of 309530.
Low Adjusted Economic Freedom (< 18.89), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000): 5472 nations out of 309530.
High Adjusted Economic Freedom (> 84.22), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000): 30476 nations out of 309530.
Low Adjusted Economic Freedom (< 18.89), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000): 25381 nations out of 309530.

Ahh, the first one is interesting already! High Economic Freedom, High Black Market, though with not a lot of nations. We will start off as to why this happens. Maybe there is no trust in the white or the grey market in the nations? That, and perhaps the civil rights and restrictions are still quite a lot. I will do my best as to describe, for example, with maybe cigarettes. Let’s say that cigarettes are banned so hard in the nation, like it is seen as everything that is bad and people are not allowed to smoke at all. The economic freedom, however, perhaps serve as a loophole for this ban and as a result, people circumvent this by looking at the black market – and thus, the high and big black market. That is just one reason. Black market, by definition, also does not mean that everything in it is illegal. It may be legal items, but done to avoid taxes (and thus, the economic freedom to choose). It may not be ALL illegal.

Then you have the second trend, and you can see more nations being in this group. Low Economic Freedom, with Low Black Market to boot. This could very well mean that the governments in this nation are extremely effective in curbing this, and so the black markets will still try to exist, they are ruthlessly curbed and stopped in their tracks by the governments and their possible overwatch groups. It is also possible that the government has already given more than enough things to buy and sell in the actual legal markets. Yes, it may be strict as all hell, but it is also possible that once you get your business approved, you will be doing pretty well off with the government supporting you. If that is such a case, then there is no need for a company to go for under-the-table economy. There is not a necessity to go to the black market sector when all you need to do is to bypass that difficult-but-amazing barrier.

Then the third and most common one – high EF, low BM. It also makes sense (relatively) the most, and it is also possibly the opposite of the first group. Unlike the first group which MAY restrict certain things, these nations may not do such a thing. Anything you need can be bought and sold as long as you have the money – no economic or social restrictions! In these nations, no one would bat an eye if you ordered some hard drugs online. Heck, official online merchants might even advertise it freely on the country’s billboards, TVs, internet, whatever! Once again, “You have money?” is the only question that is asked. Freedom to buy and sell anything, so there is no BM needed.

The second most common one – low EF, high BM. The more easier-to-interpret (relatively, again) one in my opinion. If you restrict a nation’s freedom to do business as a whole, then the black markets will start popping up like no one’s business. These are also nations that most definitely cannot combat the rampant rise in BM. Maybe they tried and just couldn’t, or even the politicians and government are actively involved in it. Whichever happens, they have failed in curbing the problem, embraced it, or are in a middle of a war, maybe. Citizens of these nations might not even be surprised if they have to use black market for something as essential as utilities or basic food items.

And now to compare these with population.

High Economic Freedom (> 84.17), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 216 nations out of 309530.
High Adjusted Economic Freedom (> 84.22), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 213 nations out of 309530.

High Economic Freedom (> 84.17), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.
High Adjusted Economic Freedom (> 84.22), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.
This does not seem to happen to low population nations at all. It would make sense because a large black market could only happen if there is a large population backing it. Though, what about nations that not a lot of people live, but serve as a middleman for illicit transactions?

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.50), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 1 nations out of 309530.
Low Adjusted Economic Freedom (< 18.89), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 1 nations out of 309530.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.50), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 3716 nations out of 309530.
Low Adjusted Economic Freedom (< 18.89), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 3382 nations out of 309530.
Cannot happen to high population/large nations. Only small countries have this trait, it would seem. If a nation gets big enough, this becomes near-impossible.

High Economic Freedom (> 84.17), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 1 nations out of 309530.
High Adjusted Economic Freedom (> 84.22), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 1 nations out of 309530.

High Economic Freedom (> 84.17), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 1539 nations out of 309530.
High Adjusted Economic Freedom (> 84.22), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 1538 nations out of 309530.
Again, same as above.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.50), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 263 nations out of 309530.
Low Adjusted Economic Freedom (< 18.89), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 207 nations out of 309530.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.50), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.
Low Adjusted Economic Freedom (< 18.89), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.
Same as the first trend, where high and big black markets can only happen to big nations.

Comparison with Number of Issues Answered.

High Economic Freedom (> 84.17), Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 310 nations out of 309530.
High Adjusted Economic Freedom (> 84.22), Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 306 nations out of 309530.

High Economic Freedom (> 84.17), Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 28 nations out of 309530.
High Adjusted Economic Freedom (> 84.22), Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 27 nations out of 309530.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.50), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 1 nations out of 309530.
Low Adjusted Economic Freedom (< 18.89), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 1 nations out of 309530.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.50), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 5738 nations out of 309530.
Low Adjusted Economic Freedom (< 18.89), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 5270 nations out of 309530.
If you address the problems in your country more and more often, you can retain that restriction while curbing the BM.

High Economic Freedom (> 84.17), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 1 nations out of 309530.
High Adjusted Economic Freedom (> 84.22), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 1 nations out of 309530.

High Economic Freedom (> 84.17), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 1763 nations out of 309530.
High Adjusted Economic Freedom (> 84.22), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 1762 nations out of 309530.
An interesting one where the black market is low if you don’t address the problems. Then again, this is mostly nations whose economy is already small in the first place, and that includes the BM itself.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.50), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 842 nations out of 309530.
Low Adjusted Economic Freedom (< 18.89), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 576 nations out of 309530.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.50), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 37 nations out of 309530.
Low Adjusted Economic Freedom (< 18.89), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 39 nations out of 309530.

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Postby Valentine Z » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:35 am

Just would like to write a second post to add on that I really appreciate your replies and input/comments here. I might not reply back, but I definitely did read them and appreciate them all. ♥ :hug:

Edit to all: For future purposes, please do try to limit to 2 trends per request. I also don't really like making restrictions but this is so that others have a chance to do so as well. This is, once again, NOT because of anyone, and simply to put it here. You can request as much as you like, but no more than two at once before someone else.
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Postby Entropan » Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:11 am

It would be interesting to see political apathy vs political freedom :)
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Postby Valentine Z » Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:26 pm

Entropan wrote:It would be interesting to see political apathy vs political freedom :)

I will add this to the queue later, thanks for the request and for your readership! ♥

In the meantime, a little behind schedule, but yes, the next one - Taxation vs BM, is being written, I should be done soon!
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#6-5: Black Market (Y) vs Taxation (X).

Postby Valentine Z » Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:00 pm

Black Market (Y) vs Taxation (X) - Requested by Wizlandia. This also looks relatively straightforward, but there is a slight problem with the range being a little too squashed when you hit above 100.00 for Taxation, and then the negative Taxation rate going pretty large in terms of magnitude. It will make sense as we go along the way, so once again, let’s get to it! It is an interesting trend as always, and this one has a few more graphs to zoom in and show!

With density as the Z-axis. As you know, Purple = Least Dense = Very rare. Red = Most Dense = Where most nations are.
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Number of Issues Answered as the Z-axis.
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X-axis histograms:
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Hmm, linear values for BM is a bit difficult. Let’s look differently! Y-axis histogram, BUT with Y having symmetrical log applied to it. For example, if horizontal / Y = 12.0, that means Black Market for that nation = 10^12.
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X max: 1 – Kindjal
X min: 1 – Blogh
Y max: 1 – Bright Angel
Y min: 28
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Now onto the relations!
X and Y relations:
High Taxation (> 73.12), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000): 9855 nations out of 309530.
Low Taxation (< 7.08), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000): 3059 nations out of 309530.
High Taxation (> 73.12), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000): 21075 nations out of 309530.
Low Taxation (< 7.08), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000): 27833 nations out of 309530.

For tax, WA Census has stated: “Although some nations have a flat tax rate for all citizens while others tax the rich more heavily than the poor, the World Census used averages to rank the world’s most taxing governments.” I will assume that this is taxation in general, including goods tax, business tax, and the like. Still, as we look through this, we might find something interesting with these trends! So let’s see here – the first one, high tax rate, high black market. Quite a straightforward and makes sense, in my opinion. As the graphs show, the more taxing your nation is in general, the bigger the place’s black market will be. After all, why try to do business legitimately when almost or all of it is going to go to the government? I mean yes, it may be used positively or negatively, but it does not change the fact that the government is taking A LOT of it. So, here comes under-the-table economy to the rescue, yay!

Low Taxation and Low Black Market is the exact opposite of this problem. If there is not a lot of taxing in the first place, then that means that there is a low black market and it is absolutely great doing business in these countries, because whatever you earn is going to come back to you… well, most of it. But it’s still A LOT compared to the countries above. The government is probably either very well-off to be not taking taxes, or they wanted to but they just don’t want to (or cannot). Though of course, of note is that we are talking about taxation in general here. From the WA census there, you assume that the tax rate is only measured for the citizens and not the businesses, is it not?

Which leads us to the next one! High Taxation, Low Black Market. It’s also a lot more common, really! The first theory is from the just now, one where people are heavily taxed, but businesses are not. This leads to two things – one being that the companies and entities selling are still okay and comfortable with the white/grey market, and there is little to no problem there regarding taxation or other factors. It could also mean that the people might be taxed a little too hard, so much so that they may not be buying anything else (intentionally or otherwise). Maybe the government provided everything (or nothing) to them. Of course, correlation does not mean causation, it is just a trend!

Low Taxation, High Black Market. Ahh, now this one is quite interesting, and also the most common! So, why this trend? To be quite honest, I am not exactly certain of this myself. It could be other factors, like economic freedom that we went through previously. It also can mean that Taxation stat only counts the people and not the businesses (as said above). So that means people are not taxed heavily, but possibly the businesses, which means, again, black market to the rescue for the people who may have more money thanks to lower tax rate, but does not appreciate being taxed on their goods. Either that, or perhaps the legitimate market being exorbitantly expensive as well!

And now to compare these with population.

High Taxation (> 73.12), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 1781 nations out of 309530.
High Taxation (> 73.12), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.
Again, cannot happen to low population nations, sadly. The black market being big and thriving only looks for large audience/consumer base.

Low Taxation (< 7.08), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 2 nations out of 309530.
Low Taxation (< 7.08), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 2853 nations out of 309530.
The opposite for the smaller nations.

High Taxation (> 73.12), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.
High Taxation (> 73.12), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 456 nations out of 309530.
Perhaps developing / thriving nations. As in nations that are still starting small, so they have the high tax rate for development. Still not large enough for black markets to thrive.

Low Taxation (< 7.08), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Population (> 13,212,000,000): 773 nations out of 309530.
Low Taxation (< 7.08), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Population (< 68,000,000): 0 nations out of 309530.

Comparison with Number of Issues Answered.

High Taxation (> 73.12), Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 7535 nations out of 309530.
High Taxation (> 73.12), Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 97 nations out of 309530.
You must address the issues and problems more and more. Though, perhaps the Black Market is not a problem and you are embracing it?

Low Taxation (< 7.08), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 2 nations out of 309530.
Low Taxation (< 7.08), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 3051 nations out of 309530.
If you do not address the economy and keep the taxes low, then yes – your nation will stagnate. Even if the population increases, though that is purely from a technical NS stats standpoint.

High Taxation (> 73.12), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 0 nations out of 309530.
High Taxation (> 73.12), Low Black Market (< 8,000,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 997 nations out of 309530.

Low Taxation (< 7.08), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), High Number of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 605 nations out of 309530.
Low Taxation (< 7.08), High Black Market (> 46,615,100,000,000), Low Number of Issues Answered (< 100): 90 nations out of 309530.
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:17 pm

You really need to look at black market per capita (black market divided by population) if you want any kind of meaningful metric.

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Postby Valentine Z » Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:22 am

Trotterdam wrote:You really need to look at black market per capita (black market divided by population) if you want any kind of meaningful metric.

Yeah, that's fair enough. I wonder if I should redo, since it's easy to calculate the stats. I'll think about it! <3
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Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:50 pm

Glad to see this thread back! Some very interesting analysis here.

My request is a bit of an odd one, but since I'm not a techy person and you have the data, I'd like to see a list of which nations have answered the most issues please
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Postby Valentine Z » Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:48 pm

Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:Glad to see this thread back! Some very interesting analysis here.

My request is a bit of an odd one, but since I'm not a techy person and you have the data, I'd like to see a list of which nations have answered the most issues please

Ohhh that's no problem at all and yes, I have that data too! I will still be going by order, but since this does not have a correlation analysis and just for data purpose, here it is!

https://i.imgur.com/I8mrMIo.png (Image is 1800 px wide, whoops, so I cannot embed it in). As of right now, the most issues answered is Agorus (https://www.nationstates.net/nation=agorus), with 12,466 issues answered as of 2024-02-28 07:48:10.

Please also take note of this post from Elu and Violet: viewtopic.php?p=38434350#p38434350 regarding inaccuracy for older nations.

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Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:29 pm

Valentine Z wrote:
Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:Glad to see this thread back! Some very interesting analysis here.

My request is a bit of an odd one, but since I'm not a techy person and you have the data, I'd like to see a list of which nations have answered the most issues please

Ohhh that's no problem at all and yes, I have that data too! I will still be going by order, but since this does not have a correlation analysis and just for data purpose, here it is!

https://i.imgur.com/I8mrMIo.png (Image is 1800 px wide, whoops, so I cannot embed it in). As of right now, the most issues answered is Agorus (https://www.nationstates.net/nation=agorus), with 12,466 issues answered as of 2024-02-28 07:48:10.

Please also take note of this post from Elu and Violet: viewtopic.php?p=38434350#p38434350 regarding inaccuracy for older nations.

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Apologies for the delay (this is gonna happen sooner or later), so yes - the next analysis is coming soon too! Next one, then before that, I will add the "Black Market Per Capita" graphs and the relevant stats! ♥

Very interesting. Surprised that the #1 nation was founded in late 2014. Elu's post suggests that data pre-2010 is mostly missing, but maybe we don't have issue answering data for pre-2014.
Having said that, Agorus has answered 12466 of a possible 12678 (plus a few extra for the quicker issues you get when you start) since they were founded. That's incredible dedication!
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