NATION

PASSWORD

NationStates Issues **SPOILER ALERT**

A place to spoil daily issues for those who haven't had them yet, snigger at typos, and discuss ideas for new ones.

Remove ads

User avatar
Candlewhisper Archive
Senior Issues Editor
 
Posts: 10311
Founded: Aug 28, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:19 am

Yah, you may take a little while to find that one. Or not, who knows.

Also, as a heads up, a lot of existing issues have been changing as part of my big policy review. Up till now these changes have 95% been behind-the-screen stat changes, but the policy flag that reads capitalism being in place or not has proved to be one that has needed a huge number of textual edits.

Broadly, if you're a non-capitalist nation, expect to see quite a lot of issue changes that now acknowledge that you've made that decision. This is one of the most important reasons for me taking on the policy review in the first place - the recognition that player decisions are meant to be meaningful, and that the narrative should acknowledge the decisions made.

Man, you know I started this review of policies back on December 1st last year? I reckon there's been dissertation-levels of discussion over this, and well over two hundred man-hours of work. That'll teach me to try to fix things...

Anyway, keep your eyes open, a vast number of old issues have gained options, changed wordings, gained new validity coding, and so on. Should be keeping spoiler-hunters busy for a while...
Editors like linguistic ambiguity more than most people.

User avatar
Noahs Second Country
Diplomat
 
Posts: 998
Founded: Aug 31, 2016
Anarchy

693: Bottled Up Problems

Postby Noahs Second Country » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:15 am

The Issue

Panic has spread across Noahs Second Country after a study found some bottled water manufactured in Noahs Second Country to be contaminated by E. coli. Consumers’ rights groups have called on you to address this problem, so you’re attending a tour of Noahs Second Country’s largest bottling plant with some interested parties.

The Debate

“Bottled water is a scam!” yells consumer rights advocate Finn Burton, while getting glared at by various employees. “Did you know, tap water is tested way more often than bottled? Or that some greedy corporations take tap water and mark it up more than ten thousand percent? We need to make the public aware of this! All that is necessary is to advertise tap water, and cut subsidies to the soda industry. It is better for you, me, the environment, and everyone else!”

Accept

“These claims are just ridiculous!” exclaims Lauren Hernandez, CEO of Glowing Brook Spring Water & Industrial Waste Disposal, while hesitantly taking a small sip of her product. “Our water has been tested by the best inspectors money can buy, and it’s been certified as organic. If anything the government should be promoting bottled water; perhaps with a public health campaign encouraging people to drink eight bottles a day to stave off dehydration.”

Accept

“Yeah, tap water is pure, purely full of drugs, am I right?” rambles Rodrigo Pasteur while attempting to give you a high five. “So, yeah, you totally need to get those toxins out of bottled water, but then you have to address a bigger problem. Sure everyone gets high from the tap water, but some squares are being total party poopers by forcing their kids to drink bottled water just cause they’re like, drug free. Bummer, right? But I’ve got a primo solution man, we need to, like, mandate putting drugs in the bottled water too, that way they’ll be no escaping getting high. Far out, huh!”

Accept

“There’s a sensible solution to all this,” states health inspector Aaron Walker, opening a bottle of water while wearing goggles and a respirator. “Hire more health inspectors! We can take some money from some less vital government programs, like welfare and the military, and then send in government inspectors to do daily testing on the water sources and filtration systems. Also, would it kill you to raise our salaries a bit? Because E. coli in your next meal might.”

Accept

Dismiss This Issue

Issue by The Holy Second Best Zombies of Noahs Second Country

Edited by Ransium

I'm a dead account. Yay.

User avatar
Trotterdam
Senator
 
Posts: 4106
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:30 am

I am almost completely certain the third option you listed there will not appear for most nations :)

I don't suppose you thought to check the internal option numbers.

[hr]

Don't forget to remain on the lookout for #691 and #692!

User avatar
Trotterdam
Senator
 
Posts: 4106
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:05 am

Okay, here's #692 (corrections assumed):

#692 Game Of Drones

The Issue

A jet airliner recently made an emergency landing into the @@ANIMAL@@ River after an engines failed during takeoff. Footage has revealed the likely cause of the crash to be a drone sucked into one of the aircraft's engine, and some are questioning the lack of regulations related to drone use.

The Debate

1. "We're lucky nobody was killed in the crash, but we might not be so fortunate next time," murmurs @@RANDOMNAME@@, your overzealous Public Safety Minister, while meticulously covering your letter opener with bubble wrap. "The problems with drones extends beyond planes, too. What if one falls out of the sky and decapitates an innocent bystander? We need sensible regulations of drones to make sure @@DEMONYMNOUNPLURAL@@ are kept safe. The public should only use drones outside of populated areas, at low heights, and only after passing a safety class."

2. "We don't need draconian regulations just because one idiot didn't read the instructions," rebuffs avid drone enthusiast @@RANDOMNAME@@, while using a drone to film the meeting. "By that logic we should ban microwaves, just because [REDACTED AS PROTEST]. It is the right of every citizen to enjoy everything drones have to offer. Besides, strict rules would blow drone sales out of the sky."

3. "Yes, private drones are a nuisance, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater," begs @@RANDOMNAME@@, CEO of Pie In The Sky, a drone-based food delivery service. "You should ban private drone use, but allow unrestricted commercial drone use. @@LEADER@@, let me tell you, the sky is the limit. Just think about drone package delivery, drone private investigators, even drone dog walkers. Perhaps we could talk more about it," @@HE/SHE@@ gestures at a food-laden drone tapping at your office window, "over some lunch?"

Issue by Nation of Quebec
Edited by Ransium

Names are probably random, but for comparison, I got these:
1. Kristy Martin
2. Richard Smiley
3. Yoko Blair (female pronouns)

#691 is still at large.

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Also, as a heads up, a lot of existing issues have been changing as part of my big policy review. Up till now these changes have 95% been behind-the-screen stat changes, but the policy flag that reads capitalism being in place or not has proved to be one that has needed a huge number of textual edits.

Broadly, if you're a non-capitalist nation, expect to see quite a lot of issue changes that now acknowledge that you've made that decision. This is one of the most important reasons for me taking on the policy review in the first place - the recognition that player decisions are meant to be meaningful, and that the narrative should acknowledge the decisions made.

Man, you know I started this review of policies back on December 1st last year? I reckon there's been dissertation-levels of discussion over this, and well over two hundred man-hours of work. That'll teach me to try to fix things...

Anyway, keep your eyes open, a vast number of old issues have gained options, changed wordings, gained new validity coding, and so on. Should be keeping spoiler-hunters busy for a while...
I have reason to believe #060 is the most recent one. I've gotten some other effect lines that looked suspicious, but none that are quite as obviously traceable to one issue, though I have some suspicions.

User avatar
Drasnia
Minister
 
Posts: 2153
Founded: Feb 02, 2012
Anarchy

Postby Drasnia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:53 am

#694: Concussive Percussion [Drasnia; ed:Helaw]

The Issue
While attending a performance by the @@CAPITAL@@ Philharmonic Orchestra last Thursday, 75-year-old baker @@RANDOMNAME@@ suffered an unexpected heart attack. Several music critics have attributed the death to the surprise of cannon fire used in the song “2012 Overture”, which the Orchestra was playing at the time. However, much opposition has been drummed up against the critics, and both sides have clashed just outside your office.

The Debate
1. "This could have been prevented, if someone hadn’t decided to include cannon fire in the performance!" presses @@RANDOMNAME@@, while @@HE@@ fumbles through a pile of sheet music. "We simply can’t allow this to happen again, and the only way to make sure of that is to ban any weapons from being fired during musicals and performances, and take a stern stance against overly loud music. Cannons are deadly!"

2. "If anything, we should be encouraging the use of alternative percussion in music," poises @@RANDOMNAME@@, a renowned composer, while putting a fuse into a suspicious looking stick. "Take, for example, the crash cymbals. Whose idea was it to bang two pieces of metal together to make music? Boring! Nothing entertains an audience like explosions, gunfire, and the sounds of war. War... that’s it! We should bring in the military to give all musical performances an explosive touch!"

3. "@@HE@@ has no idea what @@HE@@’s talking about," claims @@RANDOMNAME@@, speaking almost inaudibly. "Ask anyone, and they’ll tell you that a quiet, peaceful performance is one worth seeing. Like the crickets chirping, the birds tweeting, and the trees... treeing. I say we redirect some government funding to the musicians that make use of such natural and flowing sounds, to help preserve the fine predilections of the eardrum."

User avatar
Mironus
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 22
Founded: Jul 10, 2006
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Mironus » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:29 pm

Not sure when this option was added, but it's not on the master list:

83.4: High-Speed Monorail Service Promises Connections
4. “I really disagree,” says Amadeus Watson, an unwashed denizen standing in the middle of Noh Weir, population 200, on the outskirts of @@NAME@@. “We need this monorail service to connect both large and small cities, with equal access to transport for all the workers, all of the time.”

User avatar
Trotterdam
Senator
 
Posts: 4106
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:33 pm

Did you get that instead of or in addition to the existing options?

This is the old version:
The Issue
Vroom-A-Zoom-Zoom (VAZZ), a consortium of weird-looking hippies and yuppie roller coaster aficionados, has developed plans for a high-speed monorail service for @@NAME@@ to help counter and relieve problems brought about by banning cars.

The Debate
1. "This is great," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, devout anti-spending advocate. "You know what'll happen? The government will invest huge sums of money in a service no one will use. I suggest nipping it in the bud... and cutting back government spending across the board while you're at it."

2. "I disagree," says @@RANDOMNAME@@ of Vroom-A-Zoom-Zoom Ltd. "If people are worried about the costs, why not let the monorail service be a private company? That way, it will have to compete with other industries and make a profit. And don't forget that'll bring in more tax revenue. Of course, that would make fares too pricey for a lot of people, but the rich would probably use it a lot!"

3. "I really disagree," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, an unwashed denizen standing in the middle of Noh Weir, population 200, on the outskirts of @@NAME@@. "The state must run the monorail service, otherwise it's useless. What a monorail system should do is connect both large and small cities, and the only way to do that is for the government to run the rails, using the profits from the larger cities to subsidize the routes for smaller ones."


The new option you posted is obviously a communist variation of the old option 3, so I wouldn't expect you to receive both at the same time, and I also wouldn't expect communists to get the old option 2.

User avatar
Drasnia
Minister
 
Posts: 2153
Founded: Feb 02, 2012
Anarchy

Postby Drasnia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:33 pm

Mironus wrote:Not sure when this option was added, but it's not on the master list:

83.4: High-Speed Monorail Service Promises Connections
4. “I really disagree,” says Amadeus Watson, an unwashed denizen standing in the middle of Noh Weir, population 200, on the outskirts of @@NAME@@. “We need this monorail service to connect both large and small cities, with equal access to transport for all the workers, all of the time.”

Thanks! Keep your eyes out for new options and changes especially in regards to capitalism/communism options. CWA has been going through and doing a huge review so there's bound to be a wealth of new additions.

EDIT: And everything Trotterdam said.
Last edited by Drasnia on Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Noahs Second Country
Diplomat
 
Posts: 998
Founded: Aug 31, 2016
Anarchy

Postby Noahs Second Country » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:30 pm

694: I received a "she" in option 3

I'm a dead account. Yay.

User avatar
Tinhampton
Minister
 
Posts: 3218
Founded: Oct 05, 2016
Anarchy

Postby Tinhampton » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:39 pm

@@RANDOMNAME@@'s justifications for why microwaves should be banned in 692.2 is still at large (if it ever was in the first place).

Noahs Second Country wrote:694: I received a "she" in option 3

A quick look at Drasnia's macroified version will reveal that this probably happened because the composer in Option 2 was a female.
Frisbeeteria wrote:Edit: Ninja'd by a padlock
Challenge me | TG me
Tests: PolComp, 8values
British
+161 posts by Finlarvat
Posts of Win
[REDACTED] | Sweet chaos | Beware the evil carrots
COCANEFA chants | CANTERLOT: Public Enemy #1
United, we are strong. | Modly truths | Fenda tools
Saint Josephtan | Costa Rican empanadas!
Guelder wrote:I also support banning Arabic numerals

Guelder wrote:No, i only want the current 123-numbers used in the western world

Risottia wrote:
Thunder Place wrote:I, for one, chant anti mars slogans every earth day.

Bloody Snickersists.
The Self-Administrative City of Tinhampton Proudly Urban, Unashamedly Rural Factbooks IC Achievements Reference
Mayor: John Price (UCP; centre-right). Delegate-Ambassador to the WA: Alexander Smith (NatSov). Assistant: Jamie Williamson (IntFed).

User avatar
Trotterdam
Senator
 
Posts: 4106
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:03 pm

Drasnia wrote:Thanks! Keep your eyes out for new options and changes especially in regards to capitalism/communism options. CWA has been going through and doing a huge review so there's bound to be a wealth of new additions.
I am pretty confident that they include at least #060 and #511 (though in the latter it might only be the effect line). Other likely candidates include #352 and #629.

I might be able to zero in in more detail once I've seen #691 (which I'm thinking is likely to be this, but only one of the effect lines made it through unchanged), but even then there's some lines I can't easily associate with any issue.

User avatar
Mironus
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 22
Founded: Jul 10, 2006
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Mironus » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:58 pm

Trotterdam wrote:Did you get that instead of or in addition to the existing options?

Only got options 1 and 4. Both of which have mostly negative effects on this nation, so it's an another one for the dismiss list. Ah well.
Last edited by Mironus on Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:00 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Tinhampton
Minister
 
Posts: 3218
Founded: Oct 05, 2016
Anarchy

Postby Tinhampton » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:58 pm

It's been 12 days since I last reported an issue, and we've seen 11 of them since. Not too shabby, and we'll probably get to the magic 700 mark this week.
Issue #696: No, Minister

The Issue
The recently published memoirs of a retired senior civil servant have caused an uproar with their claims that it is the Civil Service, not the government, that runs the country.

The Debate
  1. “I’m afraid the book is right,” sighs government Minister Jem Hacker. “It’s been the case for decades that unelected Civil Service clowns are the ones who really run this circus. We make policy, but they twist it and turn us around with tricks and paperwork till they end up doing whatever they want to. Accountability - that’s the key! I suggest that to work for government, you must be democratically elected. This should be true whether you’re a minister or a departmental bureaucrat. Once accountable to the people, the Civil Service will shape up!”
  2. “Not the right approach!” yells gruff union leader Brian Butcher, munching a shortcrust pastry and patting his rounded belly. “Trim the fat from the system, and put money back in the pocket of the working man! Shift a goodly portion of the Civil Service budget into the welfare budget, and you’ll be helpin’ the bloody poor, not the bloody bureaucrats!”
  3. “Shocking, leader, shocking,” murmurs civil servant Humphrey Pearby. “I absolutely agree with you about the Civil Service, and understand your instructions perfectly! I will immediately establish a Department of Civil Service Budget Oversight Committee for the Investigation of Pecuniary Distribution. Leave it to me, I will get the ball rolling, immediately! That is what you are saying isn’t it? Yes, Minister?”
Issue by The Peripatetic Panopticon of Candlewhisper Archive
Edited by Helaw
Frisbeeteria wrote:Edit: Ninja'd by a padlock
Challenge me | TG me
Tests: PolComp, 8values
British
+161 posts by Finlarvat
Posts of Win
[REDACTED] | Sweet chaos | Beware the evil carrots
COCANEFA chants | CANTERLOT: Public Enemy #1
United, we are strong. | Modly truths | Fenda tools
Saint Josephtan | Costa Rican empanadas!
Guelder wrote:I also support banning Arabic numerals

Guelder wrote:No, i only want the current 123-numbers used in the western world

Risottia wrote:
Thunder Place wrote:I, for one, chant anti mars slogans every earth day.

Bloody Snickersists.
The Self-Administrative City of Tinhampton Proudly Urban, Unashamedly Rural Factbooks IC Achievements Reference
Mayor: John Price (UCP; centre-right). Delegate-Ambassador to the WA: Alexander Smith (NatSov). Assistant: Jamie Williamson (IntFed).

User avatar
Drasnia
Minister
 
Posts: 2153
Founded: Feb 02, 2012
Anarchy

Postby Drasnia » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:35 pm

As I was working on editing this, I found that option 4 of #682 has not been reported. Keep your eyes out for it. I don't know what the validity for it would be.

User avatar
Drasnia
Minister
 
Posts: 2153
Founded: Feb 02, 2012
Anarchy

Postby Drasnia » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:39 pm

The thread has been update to #690. I'm waiting for #691 to show up which requires instituting serfdom after the issue was released. If nobody gets it within about a week or so, I'll get all the remaining reported issues.

User avatar
Gnejs
Issues Editor
 
Posts: 2231
Founded: May 11, 2006
New York Times Democracy

Postby Gnejs » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:02 am

Allowing parts of your nation to secede. The follow-up for serfdom was earlier. A grand total of 13 nations have answered that issue, so might take a while.

User avatar
Pencil Sharpeners 2
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 197
Founded: Aug 21, 2015
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:16 pm

Issue 682 Option 4:
“Comrade, the problem here is that the Workers are not cooperating, like good Socialists should,” observes Party Member Warwick al-Assad. “Require all of our Comrade-Citizens to carpool to a vehicle’s capacity, and you will more than halve the number of vehicles on the road.”

I imagine there's going to be a lot of communist options to be added to old issues dues to this huge edit.
As a TSPer, my views are those dictated to me by the Glen Rhoavibot defender conspiracy

World #1 for Law Enforcement and Nudity (different puppets...), a further 9 World top 10 rankings.

Highest ranked solo player in N-Day 2, finishing 10th

User avatar
Iguanarctica
Civil Servant
 
Posts: 6
Founded: Jun 22, 2014
New York Times Democracy

Postby Iguanarctica » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:48 pm

Issue 692 Option 2:
“We don’t need draconian regulations just because one idiot didn’t read the instructions,” rebuffs avid drone enthusiast Django Nelson, while using a drone to film the meeting. “By that logic we should ban microwaves, just because one person thought it was a fun idea to stick their head inside to see what would happen. It is the right of every citizen to enjoy everything drones have to offer. Besides, strict rules would blow drone sales out of the sky.”
Puppet of Pencil Sharpeners 2. Science and cheese

User avatar
Trotterdam
Senator
 
Posts: 4106
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:07 pm

#682 already had 4 options...?

User avatar
Drasnia
Minister
 
Posts: 2153
Founded: Feb 02, 2012
Anarchy

Postby Drasnia » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:10 pm

Trotterdam wrote:#682 already had 4 options...?

The report had options 1-3 and 5 so either it has 5 options with the fourth missing or the person making the report made a mistake.

User avatar
Trotterdam
Senator
 
Posts: 4106
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:41 am

So it has. I missed that. Thanks.

User avatar
Drasnia
Minister
 
Posts: 2153
Founded: Feb 02, 2012
Anarchy

Postby Drasnia » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:29 pm

Updated to #696 which was the last to be reported. #691 is still out there as is #695 so keep your eyes out.

Helaw - Today at 2:36 PM
695 is going to be a fun find. Hint: It's a chained issue.
Last edited by Drasnia on Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Trotterdam
Senator
 
Posts: 4106
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:00 pm

Ah, interesting. I'll set some beartraps and should be able to tell you which issue it's a chain of by tomorrow :)

Meanwhile, I have this:
#697 Conventional Wisdom

The Issue

While planning the party convention for your re-election campaign your advisers have come to disagree on what the overall feeling of the event should be. They have turned to their natural means of making a final decision: bothering you about it.

The Debate

1. "One word: fireworks," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, chair@@MAN/WOMAN@@ of your political party, holding a wickedly thorned rose to the light. "Banal political speeches and rhetorical niceties just aren't doing anything; the people have grown tired of it all. Come to think of it, I'm sick of it myself, and that's really saying something. We really ought to put on an honest to goodness show here. Lasers! Music! Celebrity appearances! That should really push us up in the polls - and more importantly, your opponents down." @@HE/SHE@@ bends the rose until the stem snaps.

2. "By all means, do that," sarcastically quips your Minister of Finance, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "You can give people all the bread and circuses you want, but when it comes time to follow through, no amount of flash will solve the real deficit: the deficit of trust. Give them the unvarnished truth, and spare them the unnecessary pomp and circumstance. I propose you read off a list of factual bullet points provided by mine and other departments. For example, did you know that in the last year, no fewer than 39,280 deaths have been attributed to that marshmallow bill you approved a while back? Fascinating!"

3. "WHAT?!" bellows your Secretary of Defense, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Millions of good, decent @@DEMONYMNOUNPLURAL@@ are fearful. They face the perils of globalism and an uncertain world order. Now's our chance to show @@NAME@@ what a REAL leader does in a time of crisis. Ride into the convention atop a tank, at the spearhead of a full armored vehicle convoy. Mount a three-story tall podium draped in a giant @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ flag, and promise our people the world!" @@HE/SHE@@ pauses for a moment as a vaulting grin creeps up @@HIS/HER@@ face. "Literally!"

Issue by Libertypendence Park
Edited by Ransium
Note: I'm note actually sure if option 1 is gender-neutral (the one I got was male), but we have the macro for it now, so...

This was in a nation that had banned fireworks, incidentally. I don't think that's tracked as a flag. (This issue uses the word more metaphorically, anyway.)

User avatar
Ransium
Issues Editor
 
Posts: 2672
Founded: Oct 17, 2006
New York Times Democracy

Postby Ransium » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:05 pm

Gender is neutral in 1. I interpreted the fireworks as metaphorical (at least for nations that banned fireworks).
Last edited by Ransium on Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"Substitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very'; your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be." ~Mark Twain
WA Delegate of Forest since March 20th, 2007.
Author of WA Resolutions: SC 221, SC 224, and GA 403.
Issues editor since January 20th, 2017.
Author of 13 issues. Editor of 42, including co-editor of "The Enemy Within" Chain.

User avatar
Trotterdam
Senator
 
Posts: 4106
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:45 pm

Drasnia wrote:#691 is still out there as is #695 so keep your eyes out.
Helaw - Today at 2:36 PM
695 is going to be a fun find. Hint: It's a chained issue.
Trotterdam wrote:Ah, interesting. I'll set some beartraps and should be able to tell you which issue it's a chain of by tomorrow :)
Didn't even need that long. It's #091 option 2, "televangelists flaunt their expensive cars when they attend charity events".

Beartraps decomissioned, and here's some top-quality honey for your trouble.

PreviousNext

Remove ads

Return to Got Issues?

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Remove ads