ADB - Islamic States

[Untecna]

The methods of getting that can be authoritarian though.

Yes, socialism is authoritarian.

You need an asterisk there. You'll find there are a decent number of forms that aren't.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Hello NSGPers <3

I created this dispatch here to bring awareness to the rise of radical and dangerous ideologies across nationstates. We need to work together to stop this advertisement of said ideologies which has caused hundreds of millions of deaths world wide. Remember what your ancestors fought for! As of right now there are less than ten regions on the list, but I will continue to further the list as my investigations continue for regions that are eligable for this list. Right now I would consider these probably the most dangerous regions on the site, whether it be IC politics or OOC politics. Any questions please just ask down below.


Dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1693567

Put my puppet dump on the list. I'm notorious for my massively racist campaigns against zombies.

[Thousand Branches]

Why are we giving this attention again? Oh right for no good reason. Let this die guys, we’re not helping anything.

[Wallowis]

Yes, socialism is authoritarian.

You need an asterisk there. You'll find there are a decent number of forms that aren't.

Yeah, I meant just pure vanguard socialism. Modern forms of socialism like Democratic Socialism, my ideology, are more liberty
arian than authoritarian on a compass.

[Australiem]

Na mate, I want a fascist totalitarian white ethnostate in Australia where everyone is watched and surveyed. I unironically want 1984. And I don't even want to be a leader; I'd rather be a worker.

[Rick Perry]

Why are we giving this attention again? Oh right for no good reason. Let this die guys, we’re not helping anything.

We are here to try to attempt to end the horrible lies of communism.

[Australiem]

We are here to try to attempt to end the horrible lies of communism.

I agree, I despise communism. It will never work. Even if they say true communism has never been tried. You know why? because it will never work.

[Rick Perry]

We are here to try to attempt to end the horrible lies of communism.

I agree, I despise communism. It will never work. Even if they say true communism has never been tried. You know why? because it will never work.

They are also so sensitive. I was banned from a region just because I didn't like communism.

[Haganham]

Communism is not an equivalent to fascism and you're not impressing anyone with this, yadda yadda.

They're both far too right wing.

[Rick Perry]

Communism is not an equivalent to fascism and you're not impressing anyone with this, yadda yadda.

It is though.

[Untecna]

Communism is not an equivalent to fascism and you're not impressing anyone with this, yadda yadda.

It is though.

How is it equivalent to fascism?

Communism hasn't yet been implemented; in fact, all "communist" states are still... states. Communism generally calls for the abolition of the state, and so they are not communist but socialist.

Socialist ideology also does not call for extermination of those deemed "not perfect".

Fascist ideologies and those near them have caused far more death than socialist ones, especially if we count in the deaths of capitalism overall, of which fascism is still a subscriber to.

Socialist states have lasted far longer in total than fascist countries.

Both sides have had shitty leaders. That's where they are equal.

Otherwise, it's not even close.

[Reventus Koth]

NSG is that-a-way, gentlefolk.

[Rick Perry]

It is though.

How is it equivalent to fascism?

Communism hasn't yet been implemented; in fact, all "communist" states are still... states. Communism generally calls for the abolition of the state, and so they are not communist but socialist.

Socialist ideology also does not call for extermination of those deemed "not perfect".

Fascist ideologies and those near them have caused far more death than socialist ones, especially if we count in the deaths of capitalism overall, of which fascism is still a subscriber to.

Socialist states have lasted far longer in total than fascist countries.

Both sides have had shitty leaders. That's where they are equal.

Otherwise, it's not even close.

Both fascism and communism, communist and fascist countries don't give a damn about peoples freedom.

[The Aber]

There's been clear evidence of people getting killed for their religious beliefs (all past communist regimes), and being sent to political prisons just for the slightest criticisms and paranoia (North Korea). Of men, women, and children having food purposely withheld from them (Lenin's USSR), and sent to a cold hell on Earth to toil until they die (Stalin's USSR). Of people melting silverware just to smelt steel because of a lack of resources, and resorting to cannibalism because their government's plan failed them (Mao's China). The French Commune was pretty much an early prototype having many of the same characteristics, lead by the same type of ungrateful edgelords. Just because the Reds saved us from the Nazis, doesn't mean your kind shouldn't be the exception for answering to any wrongdoings. Get your head out of your ass and quit fantasizing about this utopia. It's never gonna work.

[The Aber]

How is it equivalent to fascism?

Communism hasn't yet been implemented; in fact, all "communist" states are still... states. Communism generally calls for the abolition of the state, and so they are not communist but socialist.

Socialist ideology also does not call for extermination of those deemed "not perfect".

Fascist ideologies and those near them have caused far more death than socialist ones, especially if we count in the deaths of capitalism overall, of which fascism is still a subscriber to.

Socialist states have lasted far longer in total than fascist countries.

Both sides have had shitty leaders. That's where they are equal.

Otherwise, it's not even close.

Both fascism and communism, communist and fascist countries don't give a damn about peoples freedom.

Yeah, the Reds only say they care about people to get their vote and bring them closer to power. And once they've had their way, they're either used as further tools against their will or discarded completely as if they were trash.

[Untecna]

How is it equivalent to fascism?

Communism hasn't yet been implemented; in fact, all "communist" states are still... states. Communism generally calls for the abolition of the state, and so they are not communist but socialist.

Socialist ideology also does not call for extermination of those deemed "not perfect".

Fascist ideologies and those near them have caused far more death than socialist ones, especially if we count in the deaths of capitalism overall, of which fascism is still a subscriber to.

Socialist states have lasted far longer in total than fascist countries.

Both sides have had shitty leaders. That's where they are equal.

Otherwise, it's not even close.

Both fascism and communism, communist and fascist countries don't give a damn about peoples freedom.

Ha! Thats an issue of the leadership and not the idea, hence, it goes with my leadership point.

The ideas of socialism and communism promote freedoms.

But, we are going on a threadjack.

[Warzone Codger]

NSG is over there.

NSGP is about what you are going to do about it in the game, instead of debating here. You have to wonder though, if people want an alternative to CDS for communist regions for whatever they felt CDS is missing...why don't they just code one? In all these years why has nobody capable of scripting share your views to make one?

[Australiem]

You have to be special to think communism and fascism are the same. Communism wants the social ownership of all property and the absence of social classes, money, and the state. But they use the state to be able to enact these changes since having a lawless anarchy land would just cause those things to come back anyway. Once power is gone, it creates a power struggle where people will do everything to become a strong leader. So, communism needs the state so there isn't a power struggle and to make sure everyone is equal in their eyes. Once again, I believe this will never work.

But fascism, on the other hand, doesn't give a fuck about any of that. For fascism, it's about the people, but it's about protecting them from themselves in an extremely ordered and structured society. Each person has their own job and they should do it well. Doing anything against the state is a rebellious action and should be dealt with swiftly and accordingly. Fascism doesn't care if everything is equal and the lower class workers get the same accommodation as the higher class people. They believe that it is the survival of the strongest. If you get to a high place in society through strength and power, then you should keep that. Fascism has a very organised and structured culture.

So, if you look at both, you can see that communism is much more about everyone being equal and having no structures from the classes. This means everyone gets treated the same no matter the outcome, except for the state, which enacts the culture in the communist society so the class structure doesn't come back into the society. While fascism is all about structure and making sure that everyone is in their respectful place and doing their job correctly, and that if you have the willpower and you are strong enough to move up the classes, then you can do so, but you shouldn't expect the government to help you.

[The Aber]

You have to be special to think communism and fascism are the same. Communism wants the social ownership of all property and the absence of social classes, money, and the state. But they use the state to be able to enact these changes since having a lawless anarchy land would just cause those things to come back anyway. Once power is gone, it creates a power struggle where people will do everything to become a strong leader. So, communism needs the state so there isn't a power struggle and to make sure everyone is equal in their eyes. Once again, I believe this will never work.

But fascism, on the other hand, doesn't give a fuck about any of that. For fascism, it's about the people, but it's about protecting them from themselves in an extremely ordered and structured society. Each person has their own job and they should do it well. Doing anything against the state is a rebellious action and should be dealt with swiftly and accordingly. Fascism doesn't care if everything is equal and the lower class workers get the same accommodation as the higher class people. They believe that it is the survival of the strongest. If you get to a high place in society through strength and power, then you should keep that. Fascism has a very organised and structured culture.

So, if you look at both, you can see that communism is much more about everyone being equal and having no structures from the classes. This means everyone gets treated the same no matter the outcome, except for the state, which enacts the culture in the communist society so the class structure doesn't come back into the society. While fascism is all about structure and making sure that everyone is in their respectful place and doing their job correctly, and that if you have the willpower and you are strong enough to move up the classes, then you can do so, but you shouldn't expect the government to help you.

That, and you won't get killed by the orders of some narcissistic leftish edgelord dictator for something as trivial as scuffing their boot.

[Deacarsia]

I do not support this.

[The Church of Satan]

Since this is created, sponsored, and promoted by Layem, I have every reason to disregard their bootleg Civil Defense Siren. To Layem and their founder; you were buddies with Sanctum so that's the only reason I need to ignore everything you said. You know what Sanctum stood for. You know it was an idea that put players in danger. So you have zero credibility.

[Life empire]

Communism is not an equivalent to fascism and you're not impressing anyone with this, yadda yadda.

communism is bad just like fascism its dangerous just like fascism it often comes in dictator ships just like... you know what I think you get the point

[Luna Amore]

Last warning for the collective thread. This is not an NSG debate. Any further off-topic posts will be warned.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

The continued non-inclusion of my puppet dump Ordo Imperialia is insulting.

[German Territories]

My dude really called Antifa an organization and saw nothing wrong with it.