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Nationstates Ideologies on a 2D Political Compass

Postby Ihilthracna » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:01 pm

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Not very professional or maybe accurate, but there were none yet so I thought that I would make one.
Note: Mother Knows Best State and Liberal/Conservative Theme states are the same as their counterparts, so I did not add them.
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I like this political compass.
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Postby Lemaen » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:17 am

Ihilthracna wrote:
Not very professional or maybe accurate, but there were none yet so I thought that I would make one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NationStates?wprov=sfla1
Here is a nice grafic for the ideologies.

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Postby All Countryhumans » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:20 am

Ihilthracna wrote:
Not very professional or maybe accurate, but there were none yet so I thought that I would make one.

Can you please add in Corporate Dominated Sham Democracy because that’s what I am :)

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This one is so good it's even on Wikipedia! :p
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Postby Ihilthracna » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:47 pm

All Countryhumans wrote:
Ihilthracna wrote:
Not very professional or maybe accurate, but there were none yet so I thought that I would make one.

Can you please add in Corporate Dominated Sham Democracy because that’s what I am :)

That is the same ideopogy as New York Times Democracy, but in Liberal theme. Here is a list of them:
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:51 pm

Lemaen wrote:
Ihilthracna wrote:
Not very professional or maybe accurate, but there were none yet so I thought that I would make one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NationStates?wprov=sfla1
Here is a nice grafic for the ideologies.

Cool 2D graphic!

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I think Psychotic Dictatorship is the most auth-right you could go, but whatev!

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Condensing a 3D scale onto a 2D compass is always going to be difficult, and a few of these seem to have ended up in the wrong position. Maybe I'll have a go myself.
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Postby Ihilthracna » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:20 pm

Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:Condensing a 3D scale onto a 2D compass is always going to be difficult, and a few of these seem to have ended up in the wrong position. Maybe I'll have a go myself.
If you do, I would like to see it. The way that I did it was that using the 3 dimensional compass, I made the ones with the most political freedoms at the bottom. Then from left to right, the ones with the highest civil rights and lowest economies on the left, and vice versa. For ones with the same civil rights as economy(low civil rights+low economy and high civil rights+high economy for example), the one with the highest overall civil rights and economy went lower. Then I resized them a little to make them more accurate.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:23 pm

Ihilthracna wrote:
Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:Condensing a 3D scale onto a 2D compass is always going to be difficult, and a few of these seem to have ended up in the wrong position. Maybe I'll have a go myself.
If you do, I would like to see it. The way that I did it was that using the 3 dimensional compass, I made the ones with the most political freedoms at the bottom. Then from left to right, the ones with the highest civil rights and lowest economies on the left, and vice versa. For ones with the same civil rights as economy(low civil rights+low economy and high civil rights+high economy for example), the one with the highest overall civil rights and economy went lower. Then I resized them a little to make them more accurate.

Yes, but I think Psychotic D should be all the way far-right.

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Postby Ihilthracnan Puppet of Violetists » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:53 pm

La xinga wrote:
Ihilthracna wrote:If you do, I would like to see it. The way that I did it was that using the 3 dimensional compass, I made the ones with the most political freedoms at the bottom. Then from left to right, the ones with the highest civil rights and lowest economies on the left, and vice versa. For ones with the same civil rights as economy(low civil rights+low economy and high civil rights+high economy for example), the one with the highest overall civil rights and economy went lower. Then I resized them a little to make them more accurate.

Yes, but I think Psychotic D should be all the way far-right.
Yes, but according to the 3D political compass(linked to by the official FAQ in Help), which is what I used, it has low civil freedom, economic freedom, and political freedom, which is not right or left. This is the same for anarchy (except it is the opposite).
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Postby Autarkheia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:05 pm

Looks pretty good to me.

Psychotic Dictatorship should be in the upper left corner, not the right. Why is it the left? Because the Political Compass defines left and right as socialist and capitalist, so purely by economic values. Socialism does not always mean a government-controlled economy (market socialism exists, and various kinds of anarchism, and lots of other stuff), but the top left corner always does. A Psychotic Dictatorship has no economic freedom or private sector to speak of. Yes, this is kind of dumb and counterintuitive, but don't blame me - blame the guys who made the Political Compass. Their economic axis is broken and it de facto runs from top left (command economy) to bottom right (ancap). This is in spite of the website itself acknowledging that stateless socialism is a thing, so figure that out.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:08 pm

Autarkheia wrote:Looks pretty good to me.

Psychotic Dictatorship should be in the upper left corner, not the right. Why is it the left? Because the Political Compass defines left and right as socialist and capitalist, so purely by economic values. Socialism does not always mean a government-controlled economy (market socialism exists, and various kinds of anarchism, and lots of other stuff), but the top left corner always does. A Psychotic Dictatorship has no economic freedom or private sector to speak of. Yes, this is kind of dumb and counterintuitive, but don't blame me - blame the guys who made the Political Compass. Their economic axis is broken and it de facto runs from top left (command economy) to bottom right (ancap). This is in spite of the website itself acknowledging that stateless socialism is a thing, so figure that out.

I am a "Psychotic Dictatorship" and I have a decent amount of free market, and my high social conservatism should take me to the right, not the left.

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Postby Ihilthracna » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:23 pm

La xinga wrote:
Autarkheia wrote:Looks pretty good to me.

Psychotic Dictatorship should be in the upper left corner, not the right. Why is it the left? Because the Political Compass defines left and right as socialist and capitalist, so purely by economic values. Socialism does not always mean a government-controlled economy (market socialism exists, and various kinds of anarchism, and lots of other stuff), but the top left corner always does. A Psychotic Dictatorship has no economic freedom or private sector to speak of. Yes, this is kind of dumb and counterintuitive, but don't blame me - blame the guys who made the Political Compass. Their economic axis is broken and it de facto runs from top left (command economy) to bottom right (ancap). This is in spite of the website itself acknowledging that stateless socialism is a thing, so figure that out.

I am a "Psychotic Dictatorship" and I have a decent amount of free market, and my high social conservatism should take me to the right, not the left.
Well, for the first comment, I had to include civil rights as the opposite of the Economic scale and taken the average, or ideologies would overlap. It is not perfectly accurate, but I had to make a compromise. For the second comment, Nationstates Ideologies are weird. I am a Liberal Democratic Socialist, which should mean that I have a low economy, medium civil rights, and high political freedom, but I have above average civil rights and political freedoms, with economy the highest. This suggests that my nation is right-wing, even though there is Socialist in the ideology name, which is not as right wing.
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Postby Lyrical International Brigade » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:24 pm

Ihilthracna wrote:...For the second comment, Nationstates Ideologies are weird. I am a Liberal Democratic Socialist, which should mean that I have a low economy, medium civil rights, and high political freedom, but I have above average civil rights and political freedoms, with economy the highest. This suggests that my nation is right-wing, even though there is Socialist in the ideology name, which is not as right wing.


Note that "economy" is different from "economic freedom." Democratic socialism (even the "liberal" kind) has restrictions on the power of capital to do whatever they can/want to exploit their workers, but that doesn't equate to a crappy economy. All else equal, the invisible hand of the welfare state keeps the money circulating, driving economic activity.
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Postby Ihilthracna » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:52 pm

Note that "economy" is different from "economic freedom." Democratic socialism (even the "liberal" kind) has restrictions on the power of capital to do whatever they can/want to exploit their workers, but that doesn't equate to a crappy economy. All else equal, the invisible hand of the welfare state keeps the money circulating, driving economic activity.
If that is true, then I still have a relatively high economic freedom,but I meant that Democratic Socialism and Liberal Socialism both have a lower economy.
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:01 pm

Seems like you have covered every ideology, so that's pretty neat! Thought you all might appreciate this. ^^

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Data accurate as of June 8-11, 2020. Mother Knows Best State, AFAIK, is a variant of the Father Knows Best State, just that the pretitle happens to say "Queendom", or something like that, I believe.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:26 pm

Valentine Z wrote:Data accurate as of June 8-11, 2020. Mother Knows Best State, AFAIK, is a variant of the Father Knows Best State, just that the pretitle happens to say "Queendom", or something like that, I believe.

That, and also having feminine words like Lady for your Leader.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:28 pm

Ahhh, very nicely done Val

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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:32 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:Ahhh, very nicely done Val

Thanks! :D

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:Data accurate as of June 8-11, 2020. Mother Knows Best State, AFAIK, is a variant of the Father Knows Best State, just that the pretitle happens to say "Queendom", or something like that, I believe.

That, and also having feminine words like Lady for your Leader.

Ahh, that's good to know! I didn't think that the Leader won't have an effect because of the nature of the names. So the Leader's pretitle can count too, that's a TIL. ^^
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Postby Ihilthracna » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:18 pm

Valentine Z wrote:Seems like you have covered every ideology, so that's pretty neat! Thought you all might appreciate this. ^^

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Data accurate as of June 8-11, 2020. Mother Knows Best State, AFAIK, is a variant of the Father Knows Best State, just that the pretitle happens to say "Queendom", or something like that, I believe.

Thank You. I have put all of the ideologies based on their civil rights, political freedom, and economic freedom.
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