Confederation of Corrupt Dictators: Ultimate Gameplay Thread

[The New California Republic]

Nonsense. Joco would not have had fits of rage in the second last round of voting if he suspected that it would happen, so pull the other one.

Again, as I said above: we expected that they'd try to swing the result of the election. We didn't expect they'd be so blatant about rigging it.

Jocospor and I watched the votes come in fairly often during the day of Round 3, and commented multiple times that the vote patterns looked weird. We expected that. We didn't expect that they'd need to send two mass telegrams with top candidates openly admitting to election rigging.

Sorry but the amount of anger that was on display shows that it was not really expected at all, that Joco got totally blindsided by being so catastrophically outmanoeuvred. And again it wasn't election rigging.

Finally, with regards to whether or not it was vote "rigging":
Technically, sure, it's legal because there were no formal rules regarding NationStates' voting policy. As Nouveau Quebecois correctly pointed out, however, it's not the legality of these actions that's issue, it's the morality behind them. The vote rigging by the WA Elite violates the very principles of democracy which, despite being techncially legal, doesn't make what happened morally acceptable.

It's immoral to keep out the CCD, that has engaged in a lot of shady stuff? I think not.

And forming a voting bloc isn't vote rigging. But again you reap what you sow.

I guarantee that if the situation was reversed and multiple dictatorial regions had banded together to keep, say, Kuriko out of the top five, you'd all be here arguing exactly the opposite.

But it isn't, because the CCD could never hope of getting to that stage since so many folk look on them with disdain, WA Elites or no WA Elites.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

What I don't really understand why people think they can decide how we play the game. I don't really care if one random member of their region is apparently an IRL white supremacist, I'd hope this isn't true, but if it is I've never knowingly spoken with them and they haven't affected our in-game relations with their region. Again, I'm sure there are several OOC fascists in The North Pacific just going by its size - no one has a problem with this because, as is entirely reasonable, TNP can't be expected to know everyone's irl political affiliations and weed them all out.

No one has a problem with TNP because when they find fascists, they remove them. Aggressively so, if the fascists are associated with the TNP name. They don't shrug their shoulders and try to justify continuous inaction like you did in this quote just prior to using them as an example.

CCD's fascist policy seems to be:
"Nah, they aren't."
"If they are, it's just roleplay."
"If it's not roleplay, then we don't know about it."
"If we do know about it, they're harmless anyway."
"If they're not harmless, they're at least nice to us."

Meanwhile you have absolutely no reservations against slapping "WA Elite" stickers on people left and right with little to no circumstances outside of, "They didn't support/actively opposed Jocospor in the Elections" and write multiple dispatches, announcements, posts, and so forth aggressively denouncing anyone and everyone that you've slapped such a sticker on.

If only you put half as much effort into your anti-fascist policy as you do your anti-WA Elite policy.

"look how easy that was to say" was a targeted jab at those who make it seem impossible ;P

[Pretty Much God]

It's 2020 and the CCD is still sputtering and whining wow

[The Gilded Star]

Truthfully, I don't think the WA Elite thought they'd need to either, Jocospor was much more popular than they expected.

Jocospor was essentially the only candidate that had any sort of appeal for fascist/nazi voters wanting to participate in the Election, thus he received almost 100% of their vote. While the far-right community is obviously much smaller than any other political bloc in NationStates, there's enough of them to push a single person towards the top of the list when they work in unison, especially when the other voter blocs are split between multiple candidates.

[Nakena]

Truthfully, I don't think the WA Elite thought they'd need to either, Jocospor was much more popular than they expected.

Jocospor was essentially the only candidate that had any sort of appeal for fascist/nazi voters wanting to participate in the Election, thus he received almost 100% of their vote. While the far-right community is obviously much smaller than any other political bloc in NationStates, there's enough of them to push a single person towards the top of the list when they work in unison, especially when the other voter blocs are split between multiple candidates.

Actually that is quite a success on their part.

[Kuriko]

Just gonna say, asking our supporters to support someone else in order to keep a 3rd party out of the general elections isn't vote rigging, it's politics. If you can't handle politics don't play a political simulator.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Just gonna say, asking our supporters to support someone else in order to keep a 3rd party out of the general elections isn't vote rigging, it's politics. If you can't handle politics don't play a political simulator.

I'd prefer to consider it charity work. Doesn't speak much for the candidates you donated votes to.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Just gonna say, asking our supporters to support someone else in order to keep a 3rd party out of the general elections isn't vote rigging, it's politics. If you can't handle politics don't play a political simulator.

While I appreciate you taking time out of what must be a very busy day, with all of your Sec-Gen duties and as Delegate of a region that is literally the very definition of the WA Elite - you know it must be very time consuming to convince everyone there you're a supporter of democracy when it's clear the opposite is true - you're wrong, it's vote rigging, and the exact same flawed argument has been made about a dozen times.

You could at least read through the most recent part of the thread if you're going to reply here.

Finally, with regards to whether or not it was vote "rigging":
Technically, sure, it's legal because there were no formal rules regarding NationStates' voting policy. As Nouveau Quebecois correctly pointed out, however, it's not the legality of these actions that's issue, it's the morality behind them. The vote rigging by the WA Elite violates the very principles of democracy which, despite being techncially legal, doesn't make what happened morally acceptable.

I guarantee that if the situation was reversed and multiple dictatorial regions had banded together to keep, say, Kuriko out of the top five, you'd all be here arguing exactly the opposite.

...and look, the same thing happened in real life. Just because it's technically legal doesn't make it morally acceptable. It's still vote rigging.
https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admi ... t-sanders/

[The New California Republic]

Just gonna say, asking our supporters to support someone else in order to keep a 3rd party out of the general elections isn't vote rigging, it's politics. If you can't handle politics don't play a political simulator.

While I appreciate you taking time out of what must be a very busy day, with all of your Sec-Gen duties and as Delegate of a region that is literally the very definition of the WA Elite - you know it must be very time consuming to convince everyone there you're a supporter of democracy when it's clear the opposite is true - you're wrong, it's vote rigging, and the exact same flawed argument has been made about a dozen times.

Being passive-aggressive and salty with the duly-elected Secretary General is most uncouth.

[Tinhampton]

Just gonna say, asking our supporters to support someone else in order to keep a 3rd party out of the general elections isn't vote rigging, it's politics. If you can't handle politics don't play a political simulator.

While I appreciate you taking time out of what must be a very busy day, with all of your Sec-Gen duties and as Delegate of a region that is literally the very definition of the WA Elite - you know it must be very time consuming to convince everyone there you're a supporter of democracy when it's clear the opposite is true - you're wrong, it's vote rigging...

Seconds ago: Tinhampton changed its national nation type to "KURIKO DID NOTHING WRONG".

The truth can, will, and must out

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I guarantee that if the situation was reversed and multiple dictatorial regions had banded together to keep, say, Kuriko out of the top five, you'd all be here arguing exactly the opposite.

1) Were you born yesterday? No, really. Is this your first special event on NS? I know it's not. Targetted alliances to oppose other alliances are a huge part of every such comeptitive event.

2) You don't really need a hypothetical, such regions unitef behind your campaign, and lost. I mean, you didn't specify "sucessfully" as part of your hypoethical As someone a bit more familiar with the environment at hand than you, if you /had/ succeeded? Most of the complaining would have been about which campaigns didn't contribute enough to preventing it.

[Kuriko]

Just gonna say, asking our supporters to support someone else in order to keep a 3rd party out of the general elections isn't vote rigging, it's politics. If you can't handle politics don't play a political simulator.

While I appreciate you taking time out of what must be a very busy day, with all of your Sec-Gen duties and as Delegate of a region that is literally the very definition of the WA Elite - you know it must be very time consuming to convince everyone there you're a supporter of democracy when it's clear the opposite is true - you're wrong, it's vote rigging, and the exact same flawed argument has been made about a dozen times.

You could at least read through the most recent part of the thread if you're going to reply here.

Finally, with regards to whether or not it was vote "rigging":
Technically, sure, it's legal because there were no formal rules regarding NationStates' voting policy. As Nouveau Quebecois correctly pointed out, however, it's not the legality of these actions that's issue, it's the morality behind them. The vote rigging by the WA Elite violates the very principles of democracy which, despite being techncially legal, doesn't make what happened morally acceptable.

I guarantee that if the situation was reversed and multiple dictatorial regions had banded together to keep, say, Kuriko out of the top five, you'd all be here arguing exactly the opposite.

...and look, the same thing happened in real life. Just because it's technically legal doesn't make it morally acceptable. It's still vote rigging.
https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admi ... t-sanders/

I can quite assure you, I've read through the last four pages of your thread and laughed all the while at CCDs antics and inability to play politics in a political simulator

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Being passive-aggressive and salty with the duly-elected Secretary General is most uncouth.

Yes, the "duly-elected" Secretary-General... hmmmm.

Seconds ago: Tinhampton changed its national nation type to "KURIKO DID NOTHING WRONG".

The truth can, will, and must out

While I'm very well aware you're taking the piss, at least it helps spread the message we very much want out there

I can quite assure you, I've read through the last four pages of your thread and laughed all the while at CCDs antics and inability to play politics in a political simulator

And yet you took absolutely none of it into consideration and refused to address anything that I brought up, huh. I suppose that's to be expected from the WA Elite.

[The Gilded Star]

1) Were you born yesterday? No, really. Is this your first special event on NS? I know it's not. Targetted alliances to oppose other alliances are a huge part of every such comeptitive event.

I don't think they can remember being instantaneously nuked into radioactive particle dust during N-Day because all y'all made dead certain not one single survivor made it out of CCD.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

1) Were you born yesterday? No, really. Is this your first special event on NS? I know it's not. Targetted alliances to oppose other alliances are a huge part of every such comeptitive event.

I don't think they can remember being instantaneously nuked into radioactive particle dust during N-Day because all y'all made dead certain not one single survivor made it out of CCD.

Lol, didn't even have that in mind. More raiders nuking defender, vice versa, and the two big GCR alliances turning on each other than one time.

[Nakena]

1) Were you born yesterday? No, really. Is this your first special event on NS? I know it's not. Targetted alliances to oppose other alliances are a huge part of every such comeptitive event.

I don't think they can remember being instantaneously nuked into radioactive particle dust during N-Day because all y'all made dead certain not one single survivor made it out of CCD.

That is going to be the next round of fun.

[The New California Republic]

Being passive-aggressive and salty with the duly-elected Secretary General is most uncouth.

Yes, the "duly-elected" Secretary-General... hmmmm.

Yup. Duly-elected.

[Valentine Z]

I can quite assure you, I've read through the last four pages of your thread and laughed all the while at CCDs antics and inability to play politics in a political simulator

I hope to see you on this ground in 4 years! You know what to do.

And I like how they talked about me not being able to take the 4th place with grace (I was more than happy to get 4th, there's no point in me either being salty or boastful (except towards CCD)), and yet here they are being unable to take their 5th place and their loss in stride, and having to endure through another one of the dispatches, which I honestly feel sorry for the series of bits and bytes that has to register and represent the utterly disgusting dispatch.

(And don't even talk "Ohh how you just can't leave us alone!" Even a kitten will absolutely claw back if poked several times.)

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Adios, and I hope to either see you fail, or to see your incompetence, or to see you giving me publicity in your future dispatches. Either that, or a reform. A proper one at that.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I can quite assure you, I've read through the last four pages of your thread and laughed all the while at CCDs antics and inability to play politics in a political simulator

I hope to see you on this ground in 4 years! You know what to do.

And I like how they talked about me not being able to take the 4th place with grace (I was more than happy to get 4th, there's no point in me either being salty or boastful (except towards CCD)), and yet here they are being unable to take their 5th place and their loss in stride, and having to endure through another one of the dispatches, which I honestly feel sorry for the series of bits and bytes that has to register and represent the utterly disgusting dispatch.

(And don't even talk "Ohh how you just can't leave us alone!" Even a kitten will absolutely claw back if poked several times.)

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Adios, and I hope to either see you fail, or to see your incompetence, or to see you giving me publicity in your future dispatches.

You're still here gloating, all the while conveniently ignoring my previous post. Don't want to admit the truth?

Why are you still here? If you really don't care you're free to vanish again, riding your high horse off into the sunset because of a last place finish in the General where you couldn't even match your 3rd Round vote total.

You keep bringing up the fact that these people are apparently your "friends" and you never asked for the help. I don't really care whether you're friends of not, it's really not relevant.

The fact of the matter is that various influential groups within the World Assembly, most comprising a part of the WA Elite and including all of the other four candidates who made the general election, organised a redistribution of votes to your campaign in order to stop Jocospor from making the General. Will you at least admit this is true?

[Nakena]

Adios, and I hope to either see you fail, or to see your incompetence, or to see you giving me publicity in your future dispatches.

I see Kitty is beginning to enjoy this too. *meow meow*

10 minutes ago: Nakena changed its national nation type to "Most insidious WA Elites".

[The New California Republic]

You're still here gloating

And you are still being salty, so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Tinhampton]

Seconds ago: Tinhampton changed its national nation type to "KURIKO DID NOTHING WRONG".

The truth can, will, and must out

While I'm very well aware you're taking the piss, at least it helps spread the message we very much want out there

Actually, I'm not, I do have serious doubts about your "Kurikoan Round 3 Voterigging" conspiracy

[Valentine Z]

You're still here gloating, all the while conveniently ignoring my previous post. Don't want to admit the truth?

The world of NationStates is much bigger than your precious little CCD. You're an amoeba in a tank full of sharks.

Oh, but I must really get going. I have much more useful things to do, really. See you until you decided to poke me again.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

I can quite assure you, I've read through the last four pages of your thread and laughed all the while at CCDs antics and inability to play politics in a political simulator

Adios, and I hope to either see you fail, or to see your incompetence [...]

Oh, but I must really get going. I have much more useful things to do, really. See you until you decided to poke me again.

Hmph. Make sure to thank Kuriko on your way out.

[Bloodshade]

Sometimes, I wonder why y'all are so butthurt but then I remember that a ragtag bunch of F7ers and NS Sports members dabbed on y'all in an April Fools event.

Don't worry, I'd be fuming if I went out of a joke election like that. Weird how you're still showing your face, NQ. You'd think getting memed on in a joke of an election would make you bury your head in the sand but I guess you still want to earn some brownie points with daddy and mommy.