Confederation of Corrupt Dictators: Ultimate Gameplay Thread

[ShrewLlamaLand]

What does this mean Mr delegate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

I'll pass on being a dispatch star for CCD or anyone else, thanks. It's more an issue of your problem with the political side of the game is way bigger than you seem to think if you're seeing the candidates as your greatest enemies in your fantasy world where a WA Elite controls everything and you are valiant rebels against this evil body.

We don't think the candidates are the main part of the problem, they're surface level. We're well aware the corruption within the WA Elite runs very deep within multiple NS communities.

The issue I'm more focused on in this dispatch is the corruption aspect, and the fact that they're not even trying to hide it anymore. It's just there in plain daylight for anyone to see at this point.

A number of the candidates haven't even gone near the World Assembly or its legislation before, and many don't even have strong ties to major regions that you consider part of your mythical nemesis. Calling them in particular the WA Elite is hardly accurate.

Okay, this is factually incorrect.

Of the seven candidates who finished in the top eight besides Jocospor, Kuriko, McMasterdonia and Catgirls (the last of those obviously not on their main account) quite literally represent the issues we're trying to fight against here - large, influential nations and regions and the deep, ingrained corruption within the WA Elite.

Caelapes and Auralia have also been involved within the inner workings of the World Assembly before. Only Valentine Z and Bigtopia could possibly be considered outsiders, but they both refused to disavow the actions of the WA Elite; one gloated about it, and the other even considered joining them in their efforts to illegitimately keep another candidate out of the General.

All of them have one thing in common and it has nothing to do with a great cabalist conspiracy against the innocent CCD: They have no ties to fascism, haven't tried to coup The North Pacific, and don't liberally spam WA nations with inane Telegrams for various purposes - mainly recruitment. As for your "we're not fascists" argument: You don't have to be fascist yourself to have harbored ties to them in the past and openly continue to do so.

Again, factually incorrect, we do not currently have ties to OOC fascists.

I can't deny that we have had nations expressing fascist views as a part of our region before - one former such nation replied a few posts above - none currently remain within the Confederation.

[The Xaviet Empire]

It's extremely frightening how a game admin is here with us...

[Jocospor]

Dear all,

A belated announcement following my failure to qualify for the General election.

To those that voted for me, thank you. Thank you for putting your trust in me. I'm sorry I couldn't give you a voice, and I want you to know that I did try.

To those that did not vote for me, and did so with genuineness, I hold no ill against you. You are entitled to your voice; that was the fundamental tenant of my campaign.

To those that deliberately spited me out of some sad personal vendetta, I find your actions deplorable, as do the scores of nations that have telegrammed me over the last few days. You have demonstrated to this gaming community that there is a cultural problem within NationStates. You have proven that an elitist community does exist. My thanks to Shrewllamaland for compiling the evidence here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

To Max Barry, that was a disappointing read on the situation. I can only assume you didn't follow the election closely.

The sad thing is that Shrew and I have multiple (non-WA) accounts across NationStates, in a variety of communities. Through these alts, I frequently have positive experiences with the NSGP community, which leads me to believe that they are not definitively bad people. But they are quick to judge, and the power has gone to their heads. Whereas I through Jocospor might roleplay corruption, these people are themselves objectively corrupt. I write this completely neutrally, without emotion, informed only by fact.

I pray for a time in which NationStates can repair its ways.

Jocospor

#nomorebullsh*t

[Xoriet]

We don't think the candidates are the main part of the problem, they're surface level. We're well aware the corruption within the WA Elite runs very deep within multiple NS communities.

The issue I'm more focused on in this dispatch is the corruption aspect, and the fact that they're not even trying to hide it anymore. It's just there in plain daylight for anyone to see at this point.

Okay, this is factually incorrect.

Of the seven candidates who finished in the top eight besides Jocospor, Kuriko, McMasterdonia and Catgirls (the last of those obviously not on their main account) quite literally represent the issues we're trying to fight against here - large, influential nations and regions and the deep, ingrained corruption within the WA Elite.

I can't deny that we have had nations expressing fascist views as a part of our region before - one former such nation replied a few posts above - none currently remain within the Confederation.

I'll address these in reverse order.

I'm looking at your Nazi Europa embassy and shaking my head at your claim that you have no ties to OOC Nazis. At least one of their members I personally am aware is an IRL white supremacist and Neo Nazi. Others say there are more than just that one, too.

Catgirls is purely an apolitical individual who enjoys doing whatever she wants. She may have strong friends, but she herself has never been involved with the World Assembly. She is not a particularly large or what I'd call influential nation in the sense that you mean. Nor would she pay attention to you or your grievances with the mythical WA Elite on any day other than one in which she was personally involved. Valentine has nothing to do with it, either.

McMasterdonia and Kuriko are tied to the World Assembly by virtue of career and region. If you have their ire, blame your fascist ties and repeated attempts to self-promote through spamming everyone with Telegrams. In McM's case, you also tried to coup his region. You aren't being discriminated against. You guys have willingly embraced everything that earns regions the opposition of a fairly concentrated sphere of the game. You were given multiple chances to retract the embassies, to stop self-promoting in the WA, etc.

The issue is not corruption. It's that you, personally, your founder, and your region have deliberately embraced all the things that make you fair game to the rest of us. Fascist ties and Nazi ties, attempting to coup a major region with a great many treaty allies and other friends, etc. You seem to believe that you have done nothing to possibly provoke any sort of opposition to CCD. Maybe you really need to reassess that.

[The New California Republic]

To those that voted for me, thank you. Thank you for putting your trust in me. I'm sorry I couldn't give you a voice, and I want you to know that I did try.

Nonsense. You didn't want to give anyone a voice. This was all just a ruse for recruitment, just as your repeated self-commend attempts were.

To those that did not vote for me, and did so with genuineness, I hold no ill against you. You are entitled to your voice; that was the fundamental tenant of my campaign.

*tenet.

To those that deliberately spited me out of some sad personal vendetta, I find your actions deplorable, as do the scores of nations that have telegrammed me over the last few days. You have demonstrated to this gaming community that there is a cultural problem within NationStates. You have proven that an elitist community does exist. My thanks to Shrewllamaland for compiling the evidence here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

Your behaviour was hardly exemplary during all this, given your repeated outbursts of shouting and massive text etc.

To Max Barry, that was a disappointing read on the situation. I can only assume you didn't follow the election closely.

Or another interpretation is that he really didn't care about the alleged slights that you are focusing on.

I pray for a time in which NationStates can repair its ways.

Oh the irony.

[Aynia Moreaux]

The issue is not corruption. It's that you, personally, your founder, and your region have deliberately embraced all the things that make you fair game to the rest of us. Fascist ties and Nazi ties, attempting to coup a major region with a great many treaty allies and other friends, etc. You seem to believe that you have done nothing to possibly provoke any sort of opposition to CCD. Maybe you really need to reassess that.

*sings*

This, this, this allllll daaaaaayyyyyyyy. Really they're not going to get it, and we're not going to stop saying it, so it's a lose-lose battle u.u

[ShrewLlamaLand]

We don't think the candidates are the main part of the problem, they're surface level. We're well aware the corruption within the WA Elite runs very deep within multiple NS communities.

The issue I'm more focused on in this dispatch is the corruption aspect, and the fact that they're not even trying to hide it anymore. It's just there in plain daylight for anyone to see at this point.

Okay, this is factually incorrect.

Of the seven candidates who finished in the top eight besides Jocospor, Kuriko, McMasterdonia and Catgirls (the last of those obviously not on their main account) quite literally represent the issues we're trying to fight against here - large, influential nations and regions and the deep, ingrained corruption within the WA Elite.

I can't deny that we have had nations expressing fascist views as a part of our region before - one former such nation replied a few posts above - none currently remain within the Confederation.

I'll address these in reverse order.

I'm looking at your Nazi Europa embassy and shaking my head at your claim that you have no ties to OOC Nazis. At least one of their members I personally am aware is an IRL white supremacist and Neo Nazi. Others say there are more than just that one, too.

Catgirls is purely an apolitical individual who enjoys doing whatever she wants. She may have strong friends, but she herself has never been involved with the World Assembly. She is not a particularly large or what I'd call influential nation in the sense that you mean. Nor would she pay attention to you or your grievances with the mythical WA Elite on any day other than one in which she was personally involved. Valentine has nothing to do with it, either.

McMasterdonia and Kuriko are tied to the World Assembly by virtue of career and region. If you have their ire, blame your fascist ties and repeated attempts to self-promote through spamming everyone with Telegrams. In McM's case, you also tried to coup his region. You aren't being discriminated against. You guys have willingly embraced everything that earns regions the opposition of a fairly concentrated sphere of the game. You were given multiple chances to retract the embassies, to stop self-promoting in the WA, etc.

The issue is not corruption. It's that you, personally, your founder, and your region have deliberately embraced all the things that make you fair game to the rest of us. Fascist ties and Nazi ties, attempting to coup a major region with a great many treaty allies and other friends, etc. You seem to believe that you have done nothing to possibly provoke any sort of opposition to CCD. Maybe you really need to reassess that.

If Nazi Europa was trying to convert our member nations to fascism, as an example, or plotting literally anything OOC fascist, I'd agree with you and we'd withdraw our embassies immediately. However, every time Jocospor and I have interracted with the region they've been quite positive, and in-game (especially in WA-related matters) they usually align with our own interests.

What I don't really understand why people think they can decide how we play the game. I don't really care if one random member of their region is apparently an IRL white supremacist, I'd hope this isn't true, but if it is I've never knowingly spoken with them and they haven't affected our in-game relations with their region. Again, I'm sure there are several OOC fascists in The North Pacific just going by its size - no one has a problem with this because, as is entirely reasonable, TNP can't be expected to know everyone's irl political affiliations and weed them all out.

Catgirls was supported by 3 GCRs including two Pacifics. I don't know how you can claim they weren't part of the WA Elite when they were backed by a near majority of feeder regions.

McMasterdonia I can almost understand based on the TNP coup, but apparently no one can actually be bothered to look at what's happened since - we've strongly apologised for our involvement, and all key nations involved are no longer part of the CCD. This also doesn't make McMasterdonia an outsider - they're still very much a part of the WA Elite. Kuriko I don't even have to explain.

And finally, no, the issue is corruption. Just because corruption benefits a group of people you like, at the expense of a group of people you don't like, doesn't make it not corruption.

[The New California Republic]

McMasterdonia I can almost understand based on the TNP coup, but apparently no one can actually be bothered to look at what's happened since - we've strongly apologised for our involvement, and all key nations involved are no longer part of the CCD.

Nonsense. Joco is still there.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

McMasterdonia I can almost understand based on the TNP coup, but apparently no one can actually be bothered to look at what's happened since - we've strongly apologised for our involvement, and all key nations involved are no longer part of the CCD.

Nonsense. Joco is still there.

Jocospor was never personally involved in the TNP coup, as they were the CCD WA Delegate at the time. Of course Jocospor knew about it, but did not personally conduct any operations against TNP.

The key nations involved were Castelia and The Order of the Holy Inquisitors, who have since left CCD and now reside in the Azure Watester Federation, as well as United Massachusetts who has never been a member nation of CCD.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Dear all,

A belated announcement following my failure to qualify for the General election.

To those that voted for me, thank you. Thank you for putting your trust in me. I'm sorry I couldn't give you a voice, and I want you to know that I did try.

To those that did not vote for me, and did so with genuineness, I hold no ill against you. You are entitled to your voice; that was the fundamental tenant of my campaign.

To those that deliberately spited me out of some sad personal vendetta, I find your actions deplorable, as do the scores of nations that have telegrammed me over the last few days. You have demonstrated to this gaming community that there is a cultural problem within NationStates. You have proven that an elitist community does exist. My thanks to Shrewllamaland for compiling the evidence here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

To Max Barry, that was a disappointing read on the situation. I can only assume you didn't follow the election closely.

The sad thing is that Shrew and I have multiple (non-WA) accounts across NationStates, in a variety of communities. Through these alts, I frequently have positive experiences with the NSGP community, which leads me to believe that they are not definitively bad people. But they are quick to judge, and the power has gone to their heads. Whereas I through Jocospor might roleplay corruption, these people are themselves objectively corrupt. I write this completely neutrally, without emotion, informed only by fact.

I pray for a time in which NationStates can repair its ways.

Jocospor

#nomorebullsh*t

Thank you Jocospor for your continued efforts! Never back down!

[Castelia]

Jocospor was never personally involved in the TNP coup, as they were the CCD WA Delegate at the time. Of course Jocospor knew about it, but did not personally conduct any operations against TNP.

Semantics. If you mean that Joco personally never sent a nation to TNP to participate in the attempted coup, then yes, that's true.

However, he was the mastermind of it all. He personally planned and directed mine and Inquisitors' actions. He's much a part of it as the two of us are.

Screenshots of Operation 84's channel in the CCD's old Discord are in the possession of TNP and can prove this.

[Lord Dominator]

Who is the WA Elite? Who? Apart from a load of bullshit you have made up to ape a populist tactic of creating an enemy in an attempt to further your own ends.

Have you not been explained around....50.000 times?

Why does the definition keep changing and expanding then?

[United Massachusetts]

Nonsense. Joco is still there.

Jocospor was never personally involved in the TNP coup, as they were the CCD WA Delegate at the time. Of course Jocospor knew about it, but did not personally conduct any operations against TNP.

The key nations involved were Castelia and The Order of the Holy Inquisitors, who have since left CCD and now reside in the Azure Watester Federation, as well as United Massachusetts who has never been a member nation of CCD.

I was not a "key" member by any means. I was in your server for a week, and only said things there for one day.

[The Order of the Holy Inquisitors]

Nonsense. Joco is still there.

Jocospor was never personally involved in the TNP coup, as they were the CCD WA Delegate at the time. Of course Jocospor knew about it, but did not personally conduct any operations against TNP.

The key nations involved were Castelia and The Order of the Holy Inquisitors, who have since left CCD and now reside in the Azure Watester Federation, as well as United Massachusetts who has never been a member nation of CCD.

However, he was the mastermind of it all. He personally planned and directed mine and Inquisitors' actions. He's much a part of it as the two of us are.

Happy to help here:

[Xoriet]

If Nazi Europa was trying to convert our member nations to fascism, as an example, or plotting literally anything OOC fascist, I'd agree with you and we'd withdraw our embassies immediately. However, every time Jocospor and I have interracted with the region they've been quite positive, and in-game (especially in WA-related matters) they usually align with our own interests.

What I don't really understand why people think they can decide how we play the game. I don't really care if one random member of their region is apparently an IRL white supremacist, I'd hope this isn't true, but if it is I've never knowingly spoken with them and they haven't affected our in-game relations with their region. Again, I'm sure there are several OOC fascists in The North Pacific just going by its size - no one has a problem with this because, as is entirely reasonable, TNP can't be expected to know everyone's irl political affiliations and weed them all out.

Catgirls was supported by 3 GCRs including two Pacifics. I don't know how you can claim they weren't part of the WA Elite when they were backed by a near majority of feeder regions.

McMasterdonia I can almost understand based on the TNP coup, but apparently no one can actually be bothered to look at what's happened since - we've strongly apologised for our involvement, and all key nations involved are no longer part of the CCD. This also doesn't make McMasterdonia an outsider - they're still very much a part of the WA Elite. Kuriko I don't even have to explain.

And finally, no, the issue is corruption. Just because corruption benefits a group of people you like, at the expense of a group of people you don't like, doesn't make it not corruption.

This whole victim complex you guys have doesn't really help your case.

You only apologized for The North Pacific because you got caught. The people who were involved were not removed for anything but PR. You have hardly shown much remorse since then, which didn't help the public perception of your region and leaders. CCD has a major cult centered around Jocospor worship. I would hardly call him removed. He's also your founder and there's nothing you as a User Created Region can do to change that unless he suddenly hands over his nation to someone else.

I really don't know why you insist on the idea that a corrupt body is discriminating against you for no reason. You know perfectly well by now the entire list of reasons why this is so. It's only "corrupt" to you because it doesn't work in your favor and you persist in advocating this victim complex. It's the same song and dance all sorts of people make when their proposals don't go through. Of course, you kept going no matter how many times you were told it was a bad idea. When you figured that you wouldn't manage to get proposals through because you used them to praise fascism, you planned to coup the largest WA region so you could make it subservient to CCD and ideally sway the body in your favor. When that failed and you were exposed, you aimed for plastic surgery in the shape of surface-level reforms in hopes that it would take the heat off you for your attempt at subversion of TNP's sovereignty.

Your new bestie, Farkasfalka, is somehow worse than you due to serious fascist members and knowingly and willingly harboring an OOC problematic individual that Gameplay rejected years ago for good reason. I say knowingly because they were informed and warned of this and chose to ignore it, likely in hopes that the individual could help them improve their R/D game which is, sadly, lacking in every way.

[The Chuck]

Jocospor was never personally involved in the TNP coup, as they were the CCD WA Delegate at the time. Of course Jocospor knew about it, but did not personally conduct any operations against TNP.

The key nations involved were Castelia and The Order of the Holy Inquisitors, who have since left CCD and now reside in the Azure Watester Federation, as well as United Massachusetts who has never been a member nation of CCD.

However, he was the mastermind of it all. He personally planned and directed mine and Inquisitors' actions. He's much a part of it as the two of us are.

Happy to help here:

-snipped image due to size-

Shrewllamaland, best not throw bricks shaped like boomerangs, they have a nasty habit of coming back and smashing your glass house.

[Castelia]

The people who were involved were not removed for anything but PR.

Just to correct you there: Inquisitors and myself were not removed at all from any position. I continued to serve as Foreign Affairs Secretary for quite some time before I decided to spill the beans over everything that's happened and was booted out as a result.

Inquisitors also continued to serve for some time in the government before leaving on his own terms. So yeah, pretty much no one got punished for this.

[The Xaviet Empire]

Jocospor was never personally involved in the TNP coup, as they were the CCD WA Delegate at the time. Of course Jocospor knew about it, but did not personally conduct any operations against TNP.

The key nations involved were Castelia and The Order of the Holy Inquisitors, who have since left CCD and now reside in the Azure Watester Federation, as well as United Massachusetts who has never been a member nation of CCD.

However, he was the mastermind of it all. He personally planned and directed mine and Inquisitors' actions. He's much a part of it as the two of us are.

Happy to help here:

this image is funny in a wierd way ^

[The New California Republic]

Nonsense. Joco is still there.

Jocospor was never personally involved in the TNP coup, as they were the CCD WA Delegate at the time. Of course Jocospor knew about it, but did not personally conduct any operations against TNP.

The key nations involved were Castelia and The Order of the Holy Inquisitors, who have since left CCD and now reside in the Azure Watester Federation, as well as United Massachusetts who has never been a member nation of CCD.

Even more nonsense. He was behind it, as he directed it. So he was personally involved in it. So lay off with this laughably bad hairsplitting.

[Valentine Z]

I love the fact that I kept getting poked in an attempt to disown my friends' genuine support. Yes, there are those that supported solely the campaign in some other ways, but I can guarantee you that while I was inactive or asleep on some of the most active hours (due to the sheer difference in timezone), I have actual, living, friendly people that I am not running a cult of, and have been supporting me since Day 1.

Maybe I should run The Cult of F7 and NS Sports. I should print more pamphlets.

Or I should just let a failing region try to gaslight me as much as they can. Talk about irony when you are mad for being accused of fascists, and yet here you are attacking everyone around you for some asinine and baseless reason.

I'll call it gaslighting, but it's free publicity, anyway. Many of F7ers and NS Sports peeps don't give a hoot about you and what you have to say, and you have absolutely zero evidence against us and how we are just "friends".

[Rovid-9]

Ok, well, for a view from the CCD's perspective, ShrewLlamaLand or Depackya would be the best people to contact as they are both high-ranking loyalists of the region and are also the most diplomatic. They're in a ready capacity to represent the image of what they want their region to be. Whether they make sense or not is for you to decide.

For the other side of the equation, both The Chuck and South Reinkalistan are popular critiques of the region and can provide you with comprehensive reasons as to why, whether they make sense or not is for you to decide.

Neither The Chuck or South Reinkalistan are worth asking anything of, they're both former members of the CCD community turned attention seekers set out to destroy our reputation.

There are plenty of other CCD critics actually worth talking to here in this thread.

I'll start - we aren't fascists. We aren't Nazis. Some of our nations roleplay as such, but it's got nothing to with OOC beliefs.

I'd ask you read through my dispatch here if you want to understand the recent events of the Sec-Gen election: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

Hmm, alright, i'll certianly give it a read!

[Nakena]

I love the fact that I kept getting poked in an attempt to disown my friends' genuine support. Yes, there are those that supported solely the campaign in some other ways, but I can guarantee you that while I was inactive or asleep on some of the most active hours (due to the sheer difference in timezone), I have actual, living, friendly people that I am not running a cult of, and have been supporting me since Day 1.

Maybe I should run The Cult of F7 and NS Sports. I should print more pamphlets.

Or I should just let a failing region try to gaslight me as much as they can. Talk about irony when you are mad for being accused of fascists, and yet here you are attacking everyone around you for some asinine and baseless reason.

I'll call it gaslighting, but it's free publicity, anyway. Many of F7ers and NS Sports peeps don't give a hoot about you and what you have to say, and you have absolutely zero evidence against us and how we are just "friends".

The cult would of course be a certified associate of the International WA Elites™.

[The New California Republic]

The cult would of course be a certified associate of the International WA Elites™.

And we have yet to get a clear answer regarding what these "WA Elites" are, since the definition seems to bend and flex as the CCD clumsily tries to brandish it as a weapon in various situations.

[South Reinkalistan]

The cult would of course be a certified associate of the International WA Elites™.

And we have yet to get a clear answer regarding what these "WA Elites" are, since the definition seems to bend and flex as the CCD clumsily tries to brandish it as a weapon in various situations.

Here's the definition:

WA Elite
noun
"a categorisation developed by ShrewLlamaLand and Jocospor to senselessly lump everyone who has humiliated them or proven them wrong together to save them the effort of responding critically or coherently."

[The New California Republic]

And we have yet to get a clear answer regarding what these "WA Elites" are, since the definition seems to bend and flex as the CCD clumsily tries to brandish it as a weapon in various situations.

Here's the definition:

WA Elite
noun
"a categorisation developed by ShrewLlamaLand and Jocospor to senselessly lump everyone who has humiliated them or proven them wrong together to save them the effort of responding critically or coherently."

Tbh I can't help but think that the whole "WA Elites" thing is just a silly reaction to the fact that they repeatedly tried to self-commend and the WA said "lol no".