Imperial Statement from the New Pacific Order

[Drop Your Pants]

So you agree with what Old Hope has been saying regarding the NPO and attacking "raider regions," including other GCRs that... aren't raider regions?

I don't agree or disagree with anything said in the GP forum. I don't care about NS enough to bother

[Myrth]

The NPO never took any GCR for their own personal gain and the detriment of the GCR.

Revisionism much? Seems someone was not old nor knowledgeable enough to remember the PRL and the NLO (which was so popular and fair that there was a civil war against it! The people chose to be a Francoist stooge! Yes, long live the NLO, which is dead! It was so good, there were no apologies from the NPO, because the NLO was for the benefit of all Lazarenes! Power grab and subservience? No, silly! The NPO only benefits us all, like you said!).

Also, guess who helped spark the Lazarene Civil War! Name it! Its acronym starts with a N, ends in an O, and has a P in the middle!

All the NPO wishes for our fellow GCRs is stability and prosperity and freedom from userite influences. Not once has the NPO ever committed an aggressive act, despite years of open hostility against us. Anything to the contrary is just fake news, spread by the Fake News Userite Media.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Revisionism much? Seems someone was not old nor knowledgeable enough to remember the PRL and the NLO (which was so popular and fair that there was a civil war against it! The people chose to be a Francoist stooge! Yes, long live the NLO, which is dead! It was so good, there were no apologies from the NPO, because the NLO was for the benefit of all Lazarenes! Power grab and subservience? No, silly! The NPO only benefits us all, like you said!).

Also, guess who helped spark the Lazarene Civil War! Name it! Its acronym starts with a N, ends in an O, and has a P in the middle!

All the NPO wishes for our fellow GCRs is stability and prosperity and freedom from userite influences. Not once has the NPO ever committed an aggressive act, despite years of open hostility against us. Anything to the contrary is just fake news, spread by the Fake News Userite Media.

Holy fuck.

[Aav Verinhall]

Revisionism much? Seems someone was not old nor knowledgeable enough to remember the PRL and the NLO (which was so popular and fair that there was a civil war against it! The people chose to be a Francoist stooge! Yes, long live the NLO, which is dead! It was so good, there were no apologies from the NPO, because the NLO was for the benefit of all Lazarenes! Power grab and subservience? No, silly! The NPO only benefits us all, like you said!).

Also, guess who helped spark the Lazarene Civil War! Name it! Its acronym starts with a N, ends in an O, and has a P in the middle!

All the NPO wishes for our fellow GCRs is stability and prosperity and freedom from userite influences. Not once has the NPO ever committed an aggressive act, despite years of open hostility against us. Anything to the contrary is just fake news, spread by the Fake News Userite Media.

Let's deconstruct those sentences there.

All the NPO wishes for our fellow GCRs is stability and prosperity and freedom from userite influences.

Okay, fair. You want UCRs to leave the GCRs alone. I can see why you might want stability, prosperity, and freedom from userite influences for other GCRs, not just yours.

Not once has the NPO ever committed an aggressive act, despite years of open hostility against us.

Not once? What about the hostile takeover of St. Abbaddon? Can you claim (without lying) that the takeover and change into a protectorate was not hostile? Because I believe that there was just a massive pile-off over the fact that a native of St. Abbaddon was going to be forcibly removed from said region, but then left to spare the delegate the influence of ejection. The NPO may still state that it was a valid casus belli, but there is no valid reason for removing a long-time native of a region.

Anything to the contrary is just fake news, spread by the Fake News Userite Media.

Also, slightly more seriously. What the fuck?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Revisionism much? Seems someone was not old nor knowledgeable enough to remember the PRL and the NLO (which was so popular and fair that there was a civil war against it! The people chose to be a Francoist stooge! Yes, long live the NLO, which is dead! It was so good, there were no apologies from the NPO, because the NLO was for the benefit of all Lazarenes! Power grab and subservience? No, silly! The NPO only benefits us all, like you said!).

Also, guess who helped spark the Lazarene Civil War! Name it! Its acronym starts with a N, ends in an O, and has a P in the middle!

All the NPO wishes for our fellow GCRs is stability and prosperity and freedom from userite influences. Not once has the NPO ever committed an aggressive act, despite years of open hostility against us. Anything to the contrary is just fake news, spread by the Fake News Userite Media.

Are we on a farm? I can smell so much manure from here.

[Ryccia]

Revisionism much? Seems someone was not old nor knowledgeable enough to remember the PRL and the NLO (which was so popular and fair that there was a civil war against it! The people chose to be a Francoist stooge! Yes, long live the NLO, which is dead! It was so good, there were no apologies from the NPO, because the NLO was for the benefit of all Lazarenes! Power grab and subservience? No, silly! The NPO only benefits us all, like you said!).

Also, guess who helped spark the Lazarene Civil War! Name it! Its acronym starts with a N, ends in an O, and has a P in the middle!

All the NPO wishes for our fellow GCRs is stability and prosperity and freedom from userite influences. Not once has the NPO ever committed an aggressive act, despite years of open hostility against us. Anything to the contrary is just fake news, spread by the Fake News Userite Media.

...Alright, is this even real or sarcasm? If it is real, that's a ridiculous Trumpist siege mentality the NPO seems to have. "We did nothing wrong, ebil FAKE NEWS" is something you hear from a clown, not an Honorary Senator of the Pacific founded in Antiquity. I suspect you've earned your promotion by subverting the innocent nati-...no, my apologies, gloriously directing the EVIL EXPENDABLE USERITES of Europe to help the NPO, yes?

If you believe that the NPO has not committed any error whatsoever, why did it even apologize for the glorious rule of the New Lazarene Order?

[Galiantus III]

Revisionism much? Seems someone was not old nor knowledgeable enough to remember the PRL and the NLO (which was so popular and fair that there was a civil war against it! The people chose to be a Francoist stooge! Yes, long live the NLO, which is dead! It was so good, there were no apologies from the NPO, because the NLO was for the benefit of all Lazarenes! Power grab and subservience? No, silly! The NPO only benefits us all, like you said!).

Also, guess who helped spark the Lazarene Civil War! Name it! Its acronym starts with a N, ends in an O, and has a P in the middle!

All the NPO wishes for our fellow GCRs is stability and prosperity and freedom from userite influences. Not once has the NPO ever committed an aggressive act, despite years of open hostility against us. Anything to the contrary is just fake news, spread by the Fake News Userite Media.

The leadership of the NPO has destabilized Lazarus multiple times, attempted to destabilize Osiris, betrayed the trust of The North Pacific, Spied on the South Pacific, and I heard they did something else to the West Pacific - ultimately, the government of the NPO does not care about the sovereignty of its sister GCRs. You may have genuine intentions with regard to these regions, but you don't represent the general leadership of your region.

If the NPO actually followed Francoism it would not be constantly finding "userite influences" in convenient places to invade. Every GCR that doesn't cow-tow to the NPO and grant their leadership free access to their region is assumed to be a cesspool of userite scum, deliberately oppressing the feederite natives. Francoism, then, is just a shield to justify NPO overreach in its attempt to unite the GCRs under one banner.

[Myrth]

All the NPO wishes for our fellow GCRs is stability and prosperity and freedom from userite influences. Not once has the NPO ever committed an aggressive act, despite years of open hostility against us. Anything to the contrary is just fake news, spread by the Fake News Userite Media.

Are we on a farm? I can smell so much manure from here.

Ah yes, a predictable response. The NPO has endured wild propaganda campaigns against it for years by those who are desperate to clutch at whatever flimsy pretext they can find to condemn us. We're quite used to it by now. Those hoping to provoke us into retaliation in order to validate their misconceptions will be disappointed - the Pacific holds no grudges and will happily weather any storm, as it always has done.

St Abbaddon seems quite happy and prosperous, no doubt they're grateful the NPO intervened to prevent them becoming a victim to some bored raiders.

[Malphe]

Myrth was memeing! You can stop taking the bait now.

[Myrth]

All the NPO wishes for our fellow GCRs is stability and prosperity and freedom from userite influences. Not once has the NPO ever committed an aggressive act, despite years of open hostility against us. Anything to the contrary is just fake news, spread by the Fake News Userite Media.

...Alright, is this even real or sarcasm? If it is real, that's a ridiculous Trumpist siege mentality the NPO seems to have. "We did nothing wrong, ebil FAKE NEWS" is something you hear from a clown, not an Honorary Senator of the Pacific founded in Antiquity. I suspect you've earned your promotion by subverting the innocent nati-...no, my apologies, gloriously directing the EVIL EXPENDABLE USERITES of Europe to help the NPO, yes?

If you believe that the NPO has not committed any error whatsoever, why did it even apologize for the glorious rule of the New Lazarene Order?

I am never insincere. I have been an honorary senator of the Pacific since Pierconium appointed me as such in recognition for my longstanding and unwavering support of the Pacific and its peoples. My recent bestowal of border controls et al is merely a temporary arrangement to assist in the smooth transition of power from one Emperor to the next, after brother Pergamon elected to take a break from the game in light of the unsavoury OOC vitriol he was faced with. The affairs of Europe are a matter for their founder and government.

Ivan chose to apologise for the NPO on behalf of a number of overly ambitious officials who took action without prior approval of the Emperor; as an enlightened government we take ownership of crimes committed by those under our flag whether their actions were assented to by the Emperor or not, and ensure those committing these acts are suitably reprimanded.

[Galiantus III]

Ivan chose to apologise for the NPO on behalf of a number of overly ambitious officials who took action without prior approval of the Emperor; as an enlightened government we take ownership of crimes committed by those under our flag whether their actions were assented to by the Emperor or not, and ensure those committing these acts are suitably reprimanded.

What about any of that is supposed to make us feel more comfortable with the NPO? At best it looks like there is an inherent problem with the NPO resulting in its highest echelons having uncontrollable private ambitions to overthrow their fellow GCRs. At worst it looks like this is standard practice and everyone is just playing musical chairs and cover-up until the storm passes.

The only thing the NPO could do to give me any indication that either of these problems will no longer exist is if Milo or someone else with a decent reputation among the NS community is made emperor. Pulling leadership from places outside NS and continuing to revere Perg and Alei (who definitely knew about what was happening) as martyrs, instead of admitting to having a problem and actually taking steps to fix it, just shows us the NPO has no intent to change.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

...Alright, is this even real or sarcasm? If it is real, that's a ridiculous Trumpist siege mentality the NPO seems to have. "We did nothing wrong, ebil FAKE NEWS" is something you hear from a clown, not an Honorary Senator of the Pacific founded in Antiquity. I suspect you've earned your promotion by subverting the innocent nati-...no, my apologies, gloriously directing the EVIL EXPENDABLE USERITES of Europe to help the NPO, yes?

If you believe that the NPO has not committed any error whatsoever, why did it even apologize for the glorious rule of the New Lazarene Order?

I am never insincere. I have been an honorary senator of the Pacific since Pierconium appointed me as such in recognition for my longstanding and unwavering support of the Pacific and its peoples. My recent bestowal of border controls et al is merely a temporary arrangement to assist in the smooth transition of power from one Emperor to the next, after brother Pergamon elected to take a break from the game in light of the unsavoury OOC vitriol he was faced with. The affairs of Europe are a matter for their founder and government.

Ivan chose to apologise for the NPO on behalf of a number of overly ambitious officials who took action without prior approval of the Emperor; as an enlightened government we take ownership of crimes committed by those under our flag whether their actions were assented to by the Emperor or not, and ensure those committing these acts are suitably reprimanded.

Did the government of Europe request you close its embassy with an ally then?

[Aenglaland]

Myrth was memeing! You can stop taking the bait now.

I think you're asking for the impossible

[Myrth]

Ivan chose to apologise for the NPO on behalf of a number of overly ambitious officials who took action without prior approval of the Emperor; as an enlightened government we take ownership of crimes committed by those under our flag whether their actions were assented to by the Emperor or not, and ensure those committing these acts are suitably reprimanded.

What about any of that is supposed to make us feel more comfortable with the NPO? At best it looks like there is an inherent problem with the NPO resulting in its highest echelons having uncontrollable private ambitions to overthrow their fellow GCRs. At worst it looks like this is standard practice and everyone is just playing musical chairs and cover-up until the storm passes.

The only thing the NPO could do to give me any indication that either of these problems will no longer exist is if Milo or someone else with a decent reputation among the NS community is made emperor. Pulling leadership from places outside NS and continuing to revere Perg and Alei (who definitely knew about what was happening) as martyrs, instead of admitting to having a problem and actually taking steps to fix it, just shows us the NPO has no intent to change.

Nobody is perfect, even our great founder Francos Spain made mistakes. I think he once even let CG slip off the ban list. But what is true is that the Pacific never has, and never will, bear ill will towards our GCR comrades. We just wish to coexist peacefully and help our feederite friends resist the efforts of outside forces to infringe their sovereignty.

[Ryccia]

...Alright, is this even real or sarcasm? If it is real, that's a ridiculous Trumpist siege mentality the NPO seems to have. "We did nothing wrong, ebil FAKE NEWS" is something you hear from a clown, not an Honorary Senator of the Pacific founded in Antiquity. I suspect you've earned your promotion by subverting the innocent nati-...no, my apologies, gloriously directing the EVIL EXPENDABLE USERITES of Europe to help the NPO, yes?

If you believe that the NPO has not committed any error whatsoever, why did it even apologize for the glorious rule of the New Lazarene Order?

I am never insincere. I have been an honorary senator of the Pacific since Pierconium appointed me as such in recognition for my longstanding and unwavering support of the Pacific and its peoples. My recent bestowal of border controls et al is merely a temporary arrangement to assist in the smooth transition of power from one Emperor to the next, after brother Pergamon elected to take a break from the game in light of the unsavoury OOC vitriol he was faced with. The affairs of Europe are a matter for their founder and government.

Ivan chose to apologise for the NPO on behalf of a number of overly ambitious officials who took action without prior approval of the Emperor; as an enlightened government we take ownership of crimes committed by those under our flag whether their actions were assented to by the Emperor or not, and ensure those committing these acts are suitably reprimanded.

First of all, my apologies for not realizing that sooner. I'll concede that point.

Second, no, you are a special case. Your subjects chose YOU as their founder, I hear. You were chosen due to your status as a moderator, when Antique regions chose their founders. You have betrayed the decade-old trust of the European government, the trust of the natives you rule over, and the trust of Europe's allies, all in some pathetic, cruel and vain attempt to literally go against this innocent region which wished neutrality all for the Order. TNP even condemned you for it, if I recall accurately. Is that how zealous hard-core NPOers are? They go around, violating the trust of persons not even involved in this conflict at all for this Order and this Emperor you hold on a pedestal? Seriously.

Third, where is the apology for subverting Lazarus and being an instigator of the disastrous Lazarene Civil War, then? Where is the apology for NPO Senators subverting Osiris and Lazarus for around an entire year under false identities, and when Lazarus was being protected by the Peacekeeping Council, your former Emperor knew about Adytus's (Feux's) identity and kept quiet anyway? Osiris was ignored and insulted in the entire affair, btw. Where is the apology for your ex-Consul utilizing a person anathema to many regions to spy for him due to actions like forum destruction and literally faking his death, instead of informing the relevant authorities that Saint Block had returned and was trying to re-integrate into NationStates? Where is the apology for Pergamon claiming he had TSP's elections rigged?

None. There is absolutely none. The NPO is unable and unwilling to keep control of and punish its top officials until it is universally condemned, and even then it creates a façade, "punishing" these officials, but they return after things settled down. It is a corrupt regime that deserves to answer for its actions, notably the subversion of many regions. It says "GCRs need to be sovereign", but kept regions like Lazarus as client states in the past, and has subverted the sovereignty of it and other GCRs. It must go. It must die. Like that pesky weed that grows in the soil, it must be extracted. Let a new, beautiful flower grow and blossom in its place.

NPO Delenda Est!

[Myrth]

I am never insincere. I have been an honorary senator of the Pacific since Pierconium appointed me as such in recognition for my longstanding and unwavering support of the Pacific and its peoples. My recent bestowal of border controls et al is merely a temporary arrangement to assist in the smooth transition of power from one Emperor to the next, after brother Pergamon elected to take a break from the game in light of the unsavoury OOC vitriol he was faced with. The affairs of Europe are a matter for their founder and government.

Ivan chose to apologise for the NPO on behalf of a number of overly ambitious officials who took action without prior approval of the Emperor; as an enlightened government we take ownership of crimes committed by those under our flag whether their actions were assented to by the Emperor or not, and ensure those committing these acts are suitably reprimanded.

Did the government of Europe request you close its embassy with an ally then?

I don't know why the government of Europe would request anything of me. I'm an Honorary Senator of the Pacific and I don't look after our diplomatic delegations.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Did the government of Europe request you close its embassy with an ally then?

I don't know why the government of Europe would request anything of me. I'm an Honorary Senator of the Pacific and I don't look after our diplomatic delegations.

Did the government of Europe request the founder nation of Europe, which you control, to close its embassy with an ally then?

[Galiantus III]

What about any of that is supposed to make us feel more comfortable with the NPO? At best it looks like there is an inherent problem with the NPO resulting in its highest echelons having uncontrollable private ambitions to overthrow their fellow GCRs. At worst it looks like this is standard practice and everyone is just playing musical chairs and cover-up until the storm passes.

The only thing the NPO could do to give me any indication that either of these problems will no longer exist is if Milo or someone else with a decent reputation among the NS community is made emperor. Pulling leadership from places outside NS and continuing to revere Perg and Alei (who definitely knew about what was happening) as martyrs, instead of admitting to having a problem and actually taking steps to fix it, just shows us the NPO has no intent to change.

Nobody is perfect, even our great founder Francos Spain made mistakes. I think he once even let CG slip off the ban list. But what is true is that the Pacific never has, and never will, bear ill will towards our GCR comrades. We just wish to coexist peacefully and help our feederite friends resist the efforts of outside forces to infringe their sovereignty.

Yeah, okay. You're either lying through your teeth or you're parroting NPO propaganda. Francos Spain subverted the natives of The Pacific when he took power and created the NPO (he was the purest definition of a userite) and it has been the grand design of the NPO to do the same to every other GCR while using his philosophy as cover.

[Myrth]

First of all, my apologies for not realizing that sooner. I'll concede that point.

Second, no, you are a special case. Your subjects chose YOU as their founder, I hear. You were chosen due to your status as a moderator, when Antique regions chose their founders. You have betrayed the decade-old trust of the European government, the trust of the natives you rule over, and the trust of Europe's allies, all in some pathetic, cruel and vain attempt to literally go against this innocent region which wished neutrality all for the Order. TNP even condemned you for it, if I recall accurately. Is that how zealous hard-core NPOers are? They go around, violating the trust of persons not even involved in this conflict at all for this Order and this Emperor you hold on a pedestal? Seriously.

Third, where is the apology for subverting Lazarus and being an instigator of the disastrous Lazarene Civil War, then? Where is the apology for NPO Senators subverting Osiris and Lazarus for around an entire year under false identities, and when Lazarus was being protected by the Peacekeeping Council, your former Emperor knew about Adytus's (Feux's) identity and kept quiet anyway? Osiris was ignored and insulted in the entire affair, btw. Where is the apology for your ex-Consul utilizing a person anathema to many regions to spy for him due to actions like forum destruction and literally faking his death, instead of informing the relevant authorities that Saint Block had returned and was trying to re-integrate into NationStates? Where is the apology for Pergamon claiming he had TSP's elections rigged?

None. There is absolutely none. The NPO is unable and unwilling to keep control of and punish its top officials until it is universally condemned, and even then it creates a façade, "punishing" these officials, but they return after things settled down. It is a corrupt regime that deserves to answer for its actions, notably the subversion of many regions. It says "GCRs need to be sovereign", but kept regions like Lazarus as client states in the past, and has subverted the sovereignty of it and other GCRs. It must go. It must die. Like that pesky weed that grows in the soil, it must be extracted. Let a new, beautiful flower grow and blossom in its place.

NPO Delenda Est!

People seem to be hearing a lot these days. But hearsay is just that. Whilst I can't profess to knowing the motives of Europe's founder, mysterious and wise as they are, I am aware that the government of Europe as it is today is a relatively new establishment, far younger than the regime of yore which ceased to be long ago, delegates coming and going. Unfortunately it seems your historians have been a bit remiss in their recording.

Why should the NPO apologise for Fake News and slander? Our enemies like to make hay whilst the sun in shining, it's just something we've learnt to live with over the years. Many have threatened us, many have predicted our demise, and we've outlasted them all. We have the faith of the great nations of the Pacific, and protecting them and their interests is our sole aim. You speak of pesky weeds and new growth - the NPO is the new growth. The NPO is the mighty oak that grew out of the rot that was the old regime of thedoc. It will not be felled by the lies and vitriol of a few envious rabble-rousers.

[Myrth]

I don't know why the government of Europe would request anything of me. I'm an Honorary Senator of the Pacific and I don't look after our diplomatic delegations.

Did the government of Europe request the founder nation of Europe, which you control, to close its embassy with an ally then?

I don't know, you'd have to ask the founder of Europe. To question him/her is not my place.

Yeah, okay. You're either lying through your teeth or you're parroting NPO propaganda. Francos Spain subverted the natives of The Pacific when he took power and created the NPO (he was the purest definition of a userite) and it has been the grand design of the NPO to do the same to every other GCR while using his philosophy as cover.

That's funny - I didn't realise you were there. You need to read up on your proper Francoist thought. FS was a devotee of the Pacific who decided he couldn't sit idly by and let what should have been a great region stagnate and decay.

[Reploid Productions]

Death to the NPO!

New Pacific Order delenda est, you fascist scum.

Knock off the spam. You can cry for the death of the NPO, NPO delenda est, etc etc with a hair more substance than just a spammy one-liner, thank you.

[Kranostav]

Did the government of Europe request the founder nation of Europe, which you control, to close its embassy with an ally then?

I don't know, you'd have to ask the founder of Europe. To question him/her is not my place.

Are you insinuating that you do not have control over EuroFounder, and did not enact the embassy closing?

[Galiantus III]

Yeah, okay. You're either lying through your teeth or you're parroting NPO propaganda. Francos Spain subverted the natives of The Pacific when he took power and created the NPO (he was the purest definition of a userite) and it has been the grand design of the NPO to do the same to every other GCR while using his philosophy as cover.

That's funny - I didn't realise you were there. You need to read up on your proper Francoist thought. FS was a devotee of the Pacific who decided he couldn't sit idly by and let what should have been a great region stagnate and decay.

The winners write history, I guess. See you on the battlefield. Hopefully the NPO will be significantly humbled by the time we're through.

[Myrth]

I don't know, you'd have to ask the founder of Europe. To question him/her is not my place.

Are you insinuating that you do not have control over EuroFounder, and did not enact the embassy closing?

I'm sure EuroFounder would consider any advice I were to offer as a fellow seasoned NSer, but to say I have 'control' of anyone is a bit of an overstatement.

The winners write history, I guess. See you on the battlefield. Hopefully the NPO will be significantly humbled by the time we're through.

Ah, yes, winners. We are that. But the NPO has always been humble, in spite of our achievements in building the great, stable and enduring dominion that is the Pacific. We continue to be humbled by everyone's lofty opinions of our abilities to affect our will on others, though it does come as a bit of a surprise given our benign intentions.

[Eluvatar]

Second, no, you are a special case. Your subjects chose YOU as their founder, I hear. You were chosen due to your status as a moderator, when Antique regions chose their founders.

As a point of information, what records I've been able to access suggest the following timeline, which contradicts the theory that (assuming Myrth does control EuroFounder) Myrth controls EuroFounder due to mod status. (If anything, the reverse is likelier):

2003-11-20 (November 20, 2003) - Previously elected Europe founder Schumania disappears [3] [4]
2003-12-01 (December 1, 2003) - EuroFounder made founder of Europe [3]
2004-04-17 (April 17, 2004) - Myrth becomes a moderator [1]
2005-06-01 (June 1, 2005) - Myrth stands down as moderator [1] [2]