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Postby Chimordgia » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:27 pm

The Glorious Hypetrain wrote:Ikania's right here guys... it's a bloody mess rn

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Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:32 pm

Chimordgia wrote:
The Glorious Hypetrain wrote:Ikania's right here guys... it's a bloody mess rn

oh hey Kade

oh hi kade
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Postby Consular » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:43 pm

Amerion wrote:Coup? Goodness, I suppose we should start calling it Lazarus Wolves United.

And as to cherry picking your accusations, perhaps if you had included the context of all those screenshots, people could be more informed.

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I think this is the most telling post here really.

It shows that OP has manipulated evidence -- he's lying.

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Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:52 pm

Consular wrote:
Amerion wrote:Coup? Goodness, I suppose we should start calling it Lazarus Wolves United.

And as to cherry picking your accusations, perhaps if you had included the context of all those screenshots, people could be more informed.

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I think this is the most telling post here really.

It shows that OP has manipulated evidence -- he's lying.


Getting rid of almost the entire government, wasn't more telling? Okay?
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Postby Chanku » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:11 pm

Just going to leave this here, something from the 'Coup Chat'
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:13 pm

Seraph, former Minister of Regional Affairs and recent candidate for Delegate of the South Pacific, has admitted in a dispatch that he returned to Lazarus because he was asked to come back in a voter importation scheme by the so-called "resistance" now illegally referring to itself as a "government-in-exile":

I was asked, by three separate individuals, if I would return to help balance the numbers of those who cared about Lazarus as a region with its own culture and ethos against those who were flocking around Lamb and Funk.

Yet more evidence of collusion between defenders in Lazarus and the Coalition of the South Pacific to import voters against the legally elected Sovereign and his legally appointed Archbishop of the Interior. Shameful. One wonders how any Feeder or Sinker is still maintaining relations with the Coalition of the South Pacific, given its blatant acts of defender-imperialism against an allied region it is obligated by law to defend, not subvert.
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Postby Lenlyvit » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:00 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:
Pentaga Giudici wrote:
Go look in the mirror then and ban yourself from the region, you are the one who brought in vote stackers first.



You did nothing, they are just freaking out and purging people to purge people.


No one has been "purged". Three people were ejected, and one was banned, all of which is perfectly legal since they've been charged with a crime. Go read the law.

The accusation of "vote staking", while amusing, has no proof, and even if it did have proof, doesn't violate Lazarus laws. So you're 0 for 2 so far.

But please, do continue telling people how this attempted illegal coup is very just and very moral.


I pretty much posted this in the wrong spot I think, so ill just just throw this in here as well. I know I've been silent up until now, but I must come out with this. At the minor update yesterday the Guardians of Lazarus were dismissed and ejected/and or banned from the region by Funkadelia, Lamb Stone, and Evil Wolf. Herein I will post some pictures that show this egregious event to be unlawful under the Celestial Mandate of Lazarus.

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In this picture you can see Funkadelia dismissing our Guardians and government officials from office around 12:15 EDT. He did so without the consent of the Celestial Being, who is Aumelodia. (Who he also dismissed from his position)

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Here you can see where it very clearly states that the Sovereign of Lazarus is the executable arm of the Celestial Being. It says that the Sovereign is the "Celestial Being's Representative", meaning that the Sovereign is not above the Celestial Being.

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You can see from these two pictures you can clearly see that native nations were either ejected or ejected and banned from Lazarus right before The Rejected Realms got hit by the daily update. This was a clearly well concocted plan to make them lose the endorsements they had in Lazarus. It also removed any potential threat to their power.

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You can see here that the mandate clearly defines the reasons for the removal of the Guardians and Celestial Being from office. Since none of them were accused of a crime at the time of their dismissal, Funkadelia's actions were unlawful. It clearly states for both Guardians and the Celestial Being to be removed, they must be "Has been convicted (or is under charges of) treason against the Celestial Union of Lazarus.". Neither our Guardians nor our Celestial Being were accused until after they were forcibly removed from office and ejected from the region.

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Here you can see that Funkadelia posted his official charges in the Lazarus forum at 1:11pm EDT, almost a whole hour after dismissing and ejecting our government officials. At the time of his takeover, none of our government was accused of any crimes. Ill let you chew on this for awhile.


- I posted this elsewhere, but think its appropriate in response to Evil Wolf's comment.

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I forgot to add this picture, where the mandates clearly states that a nation cannot be ejected from the region without first being accused of a crime. This is just a late edition to this post, for none of the nations ejected or ejected and banned from the region at that time had been accused of a crime.
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Postby Pierconium » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:13 pm

That all seems legit to me.
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Postby Elegarth » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:24 am

This whole "Celestial Being" motif is so non-sensical... No offense intended, guys, but it really takes a lot out of the whole potential legitimacy of the rebellion Laz
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Postby The Timer » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:42 am

nobody like me can do a successful coup

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Postby Altheriol » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:50 pm

So, which one of you jokers put forward an SC resolution commending Lazarus for their behaviour during this "coup"?

It's not even a particularly well-written one.
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Postby Daybreak13 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:49 pm

Altheriol wrote:So, which one of you jokers put forward an SC resolution commending Lazarus for their behaviour during this "coup"?

It's not even a particularly well-written one.


I don't know but that's crap lol :)

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Postby Adytus » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:09 pm

Daybreak13 wrote:
Altheriol wrote:So, which one of you jokers put forward an SC resolution commending Lazarus for their behaviour during this "coup"?

It's not even a particularly well-written one.


I don't know but that's crap lol :)

So much crap it was pulled.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:53 pm

Elegarth wrote:This whole "Celestial Being" motif is so non-sensical... No offense intended, guys, but it really takes a lot out of the whole potential legitimacy of the rebellion Laz

Next, the Parody Fraternity of Lazarus. Every title has the word 'bro' in it, and everyone's first name is 'Brad'.

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Postby Consular » Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:06 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Elegarth wrote:This whole "Celestial Being" motif is so non-sensical... No offense intended, guys, but it really takes a lot out of the whole potential legitimacy of the rebellion Laz

Next, the Parody Fraternity of Lazarus. Every title has the word 'bro' in it, and everyone's first name is 'Brad'.

They could call it the Lazarus Fraternal Order. :)

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Postby Elegarth » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:31 am

Consular wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Next, the Parody Fraternity of Lazarus. Every title has the word 'bro' in it, and everyone's first name is 'Brad'.

They could call it the Lazarus Fraternal Order. :)

Touché xDDD
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Postby Democratic Empire of Romania » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:35 am

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Postby Canton Empire » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:49 pm

Since Funk keeps suppressing this, let me say it here:


Would Funkadelia like to comment on the allegations of racism and harassment? Would he also like to comment on his violations of the Celestial Mandate?
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:31 am

Canton Empire wrote:Would Funkadelia like to comment on the allegations of racism and harassment?

Do you have evidence to back up this very serious out-of-character accusation? On the Lazarus RMB, all you said was that you "heard" this was true. I hope you're not bringing this serious an accusation to Gameplay based just on hearing rumors of it, without seeing any evidence or having any to present.

Looking at the Lazarus RMB, I see Funkadelia saying that fascism and hate speech won't be tolerated in Lazarus, and a member of the "resistance" arguing that it should be allowed because "hate speech is a healthy part of political discourse." What?

It looks to me like some members of the "resistance" are taking this way too far, into out-of-character territory that shouldn't be tolerated. You folks need to remember that this is a game, and if you think out-of-character assassination of someone's real life character is appropriate, that's disgusting. Step away from the keyboard if you're getting this heated about gameplay, and maybe consider moving onto something else instead of continuing to participate in this situation in Lazarus if you can't exercise better self-control. Nobody wants stuff like this happening in this game and you should be ashamed of yourself for taking it to this level. For people talking so much about "toxicity" and just having fun, this is the most toxic thing I've seen happen in a while.
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Postby Funkadelia » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:53 am

Canton Empire wrote:Since Funk keeps suppressing this, let me say it here:


Would Funkadelia like to comment on the allegations of racism and harassment? Would he also like to comment on his violations of the Celestial Mandate?

I have nothing to say to your baseless, shameless, disgusting RL attacks against my character other than that I would be careful where I tread in terms of making OOC attacks.
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Postby Roavin » Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:06 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:It looks to me like some members of the "resistance" are taking this way too far, into out-of-character territory that shouldn't be tolerated. You folks need to remember that this is a game, and if you think out-of-character assassination of someone's real life character is appropriate, that's disgusting.


I think is something we as players can (and should) all agree on.

Dammit, I didn't want to agree with Cormac on anything this week :P
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Postby The Manitoban Republic » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:05 am

They should have talked with the conspirators and they have a poll for each policy. One answer would be funds policy the other would be the coups policy and the other would be get rid of them both. That's how I would have done it

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Postby Canton Empire » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:33 am

Funkadelia wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:Since Funk keeps suppressing this, let me say it here:


Would Funkadelia like to comment on the allegations of racism and harassment? Would he also like to comment on his violations of the Celestial Mandate?

I have nothing to say to your baseless, shameless, disgusting RL attacks against my character other than that I would be careful where I tread in terms of making OOC attacks.

I'm not making an attack against you character. I said quite clearly that I hoped that this wasn't true. But then again, cherry picking is your specialty, so I'm not surprised you would pull something like this.
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Postby Syberis » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:48 am

Canton Empire wrote:
Funkadelia wrote:I have nothing to say to your baseless, shameless, disgusting RL attacks against my character other than that I would be careful where I tread in terms of making OOC attacks.

I'm not making an attack against you character. I said quite clearly that I hoped that this wasn't true. But then again, cherry picking is your specialty, so I'm not surprised you would pull something like this.


*Checks post*

But...

*Checks post again*

I'm not seeing any hope it isn't true. In any case, what you're accusing him of is serious, OOC, and potentially criminal, in the case of harassment. I'm hoping for your sake, Canton, that you aren't fabricating or exaggerating the facts in this case, especially considering the situation with Len. If it's true, then this is serious stuff security personnel across the game needed to find out about and review offsite and within moderation, not find out about when it's spread on RMBs and the NSGP forum.
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Postby Alkasia » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:55 am

Canton Empire wrote:Since Funk keeps suppressing this, let me say it here:


Would Funkadelia like to comment on the allegations of racism and harassment?

What? Where did you hear that? This sounds completely baseless and frankly just makes the resistance look bad. It's one thing to coup a region, it's another thing completely to be racist and a harasser. Those are serious allegations and I hope they aren't being spread without concrete evidence.
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