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Klaus Devestatorie
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Founded: Aug 28, 2008
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:39 pm

Playing ignorant when nobody believes you just makes you actually ignorant.

At this point, it's pretty clear that this software isn't doing anything that defenders don't do quicker manually. That speed matters for them. The 20 second delay on the API means defenders can't actually use NARIS to actively defend at update, because the only time a defender has 20 seconds to respond to an update raid is when the raiders have utterly screwed it up. The idea of using analytics on nations to try and guess which ones are raider sleepers is an idea with some merit, but the good sleepers and clean puppets just look like natives, so you're going to miss many and get an awful lot of false positives too.

The end point argument remains the same- if you want to help, get out there and provide an extra endorsement. You're not providing anything that defenders don't already have nailed down. This effort has an awful lot in common with the trope of middle-upper management with only a poor idea of how their employees actually do their job attempting to force those employees to use inferior software because the middle-upper management think it's better based on uninformed principles.
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Belmaria
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Founded: Jun 12, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Belmaria » Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:49 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Playing ignorant when nobody believes you just makes you actually ignorant.

At this point, it's pretty clear that this software isn't doing anything that defenders don't do quicker manually. That speed matters for them. The 20 second delay on the API means defenders can't actually use NARIS to actively defend at update, because the only time a defender has 20 seconds to respond to an update raid is when the raiders have utterly screwed it up. The idea of using analytics on nations to try and guess which ones are raider sleepers is an idea with some merit, but the good sleepers and clean puppets just look like natives, so you're going to miss many and get an awful lot of false positives too.

The end point argument remains the same- if you want to help, get out there and provide an extra endorsement. You're not providing anything that defenders don't already have nailed down. This effort has an awful lot in common with the trope of middle-upper management with only a poor idea of how their employees actually do their job attempting to force those employees to use inferior software because the middle-upper management think it's better based on uninformed principles.

I'm not playing ignorant. I really have no idea what's going on. I've telegrammed the person who posted the chat log in this thread to ask who is going around claiming to be me.

Regarding the engine, it's something that we are still brainstorming about. If we can find a way to make it relevant, we will. Tonight we experimented with predictive analysis, and were able to predict a raid minutes before it happened, which was surprisingly successful. We'll continue to experiment with it to see if it continues to be relevant, although we don't expect to continue to have the success rate we did tonight.

In all honesty, we attribute our *admittedly* high success rate tonight to pure luck. We'll run more tests in the days and weeks to come.
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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:16 pm

Belmaria wrote:It looks like sub-par reading skills also plague the forum.

Belmaria wrote:And I don't think it's unprofessional at all to fight back when challenged, especially when challenged by such a pessimistic, cynical, introverted, anti-outsider community like the Gameplay forum.

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Belmaria wrote:We may continue the project in private, but for now, as has already been stated multiple times, it's temporarily shelved.

Given that, plus your conduct in this thread, thread locked.

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