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Postby Unibot III » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:05 pm

Big Bad Badger wrote:How about Balder runs Balder exactly the way Balder sees fit?


Why would they post here, bragging about their stability, if they didn't want our approval?
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Postby Solorni » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:16 pm

Solorni wrote:219.... was so close to setting a record of 220. This is also the longest I've ever been over 200 endorsements now.

As an update on this, I've hit 269 endorsements (72%). 269 is definitely the highest I've been and I'm not sure, but it might be the highest the sinkers have ever been. I'm not sure what the exact record is, although it is the highest since they started to record the rankings page.

Although I would love to know what the record amount of endorsements is in the sinkers if it is not the 268 hit by Funkadelia recently in Lazarus.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:24 pm

Big Bad Badger wrote:So perhaps a congratulations is in order to Balder and their leadership rather than shitting on their announcement?


You're asking too much of the Gameplay forum, Badger
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Postby Big Bad Badger » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:40 pm

RiderSyl wrote:
Big Bad Badger wrote:So perhaps a congratulations is in order to Balder and their leadership rather than shitting on their announcement?


You're asking too much of the Gameplay forum, Badger

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Postby Jakker » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:12 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Big Bad Badger wrote:How about Balder runs Balder exactly the way Balder sees fit?


Why would they post here, bragging about their stability, if they didn't want our approval?


I didn't realize that Balder wanted your approval. Hope they can survive without it. :unsure:
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:05 pm

Big Bad Badger wrote:Perhaps if you looked a little harder you would notice that presently Rach is at an all time high in endorsements. The region votes her in twice a day to serve as leader. More people are voting yes every day.

Well with the second lowest endo cap (TP wins at 10 to balder's 15) they don't have much choice really ;) Anyone they voted above her would find themselves in TRR.
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:09 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Big Bad Badger wrote:Perhaps if you looked a little harder you would notice that presently Rach is at an all time high in endorsements. The region votes her in twice a day to serve as leader. More people are voting yes every day.

Well with the second lowest endo cap (TP wins at 10 to balder's 15) they don't have much choice really ;) Anyone they voted above her would find themselves in TRR.

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Postby Feux » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:12 pm

Lenlyvit wrote:
Drop Your Pants wrote:Well with the second lowest endo cap (TP wins at 10 to balder's 15) they don't have much choice really ;) Anyone they voted above her would find themselves in TRR.

This^

No one should be allowed to use the "votes for twice a day" line unless there is absolutely no endorsement cap.
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Postby Roavin » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:30 am

Feux wrote:
Lenlyvit wrote:This^

No one should be allowed to use the "votes for twice a day" line unless there is absolutely no endorsement cap.


Despite agreeing with Badger's overall point, I couldn't help but smirk at that line :P and I absolutely concur with Feux.
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Postby Marilyn Manson Freaks » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:11 am

Big Bad Badger wrote:How about Balder runs Balder exactly the way Balder sees fit?

Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:
I like Rach, but I have seen nothing from Balder. Balder is currently very quiet.


Perhaps if you looked a little harder you would notice that presently Rach is at an all time high in endorsements. The region votes her in twice a day to serve as leader. More people are voting yes every day.

So perhaps a congratulations is in order to Balder and their leadership rather than shitting on their announcement?


Being high in endorsements doesn't mean they're active.

Also, congrats to them. :)
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Postby Onderkelkia » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:53 am

Unibot III wrote:"Solorni is second longest WAD on our bullshit scale."

*roars* You're cutting around Loop and Kandarin's enormous reigns. And you're missing the point: stability isn't everything. Nobody remembers the tenures of Krulltopia, Fudgetopia, Kandarin, or Loop as periods of great activity. In all cases, their regions were in very rough shape when they finally departed.

The "Longest Serving WA Delegate" recorded on-site in each region is one of a number of reasonable reference points. Clearly, a record of continuous Delegate tenure that goes back earlier than that is also relevant for historical purposes, but in-game recognition of tenure is still a sensible and accessible metric which can be used to establish Delegate longevity, now that we nearly 8 years since that page was first introduced. It should not be disregarded.

A degree of underlying political stability is a necessary but insufficient pre-condiiton of sustainable activity. Balder has achieved both of these things. If you are saying that previous long-lived Delegacies have failed to achieve sustainable activity, then that is merely confirmation of Balder's relative success.

Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:I like Rach, but I have seen nothing from Balder. Balder is currently very quiet.

Balder is one of the most engaged and active game-created regions both externally and internally. In foreign affairs, this is reflected by our successful intervention in the Lazarus conflict, our participation in WALL, the treaties signed recently in the last few months and the treaties we are in the process of signing. Internally, it is reflected in that our total forum post count is the highest of all 4 sinker regions (even higher than TRR, which has had the same forum going back to 2004), and our highly active and socially orientated Discord server. If you think Balder is quiet, you're seeing only what you want to see.

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Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:
Eh, oh well. Nothing new. I hope they can take constructive criticism! :)

Oh, also before I forget. Her and NES did exchange the delegacy back and forth once or twice, according to the Balder history page.

Rach and NES did not "exchange" the Delegacy in the sense that there was a backroom deal between them. North East Somerset stood for Delegate and was elected to the position in January 2014, succeeding Rach. On a subsequent occasion, Rach stood for Delegate and re-gained the position in June 2014.

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Big Bad Badger wrote:How about Balder runs Balder exactly the way Balder sees fit?


Why would they post here, bragging about their stability, if they didn't want our approval?

Balder is never going to stop publicly celebrating our Queen's achievements because of the ever-present hostility and bitterness of our enemies.

If you think Balder wants your approval, then you are simply flattering yourself.

Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:
Big Bad Badger wrote:How about Balder runs Balder exactly the way Balder sees fit?



Perhaps if you looked a little harder you would notice that presently Rach is at an all time high in endorsements. The region votes her in twice a day to serve as leader. More people are voting yes every day.

So perhaps a congratulations is in order to Balder and their leadership rather than shitting on their announcement?


Being high in endorsements doesn't mean they're active.

It's good evidence of healthy on-site engagement, which is part of overall activity.
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Postby Funkadelia » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:45 am

Solorni wrote:
Solorni wrote:219.... was so close to setting a record of 220. This is also the longest I've ever been over 200 endorsements now.

As an update on this, I've hit 269 endorsements (72%). 269 is definitely the highest I've been and I'm not sure, but it might be the highest the sinkers have ever been. I'm not sure what the exact record is, although it is the highest since they started to record the rankings page.

Although I would love to know what the record amount of endorsements is in the sinkers if it is not the 268 hit by Funkadelia recently in Lazarus.

I should have taken a screen shot st the time, but I believe I went over 300 in 2015 when TITO entered to defeat Stujenske.

Also, congratulations! :clap:
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Postby Nightkill » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:07 pm

Onderkelkia wrote:
Unibot III wrote:"Solorni is second longest WAD on our bullshit scale."

*roars* You're cutting around Loop and Kandarin's enormous reigns. And you're missing the point: stability isn't everything. Nobody remembers the tenures of Krulltopia, Fudgetopia, Kandarin, or Loop as periods of great activity. In all cases, their regions were in very rough shape when they finally departed.

The "Longest Serving WA Delegate" recorded on-site in each region is one of a number of reasonable reference points. Clearly, a record of continuous Delegate tenure that goes back earlier than that is also relevant for historical purposes, but in-game recognition of tenure is still a sensible and accessible metric which can be used to establish Delegate longevity, now that we nearly 8 years since that page was first introduced. It should not be disregarded.

A degree of underlying political stability is a necessary but insufficient pre-condiiton of sustainable activity. Balder has achieved both of these things. If you are saying that previous long-lived Delegacies have failed to achieve sustainable activity, then that is merely confirmation of Balder's relative success.

Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:I like Rach, but I have seen nothing from Balder. Balder is currently very quiet.

Balder is one of the most engaged and active game-created regions both externally and internally. In foreign affairs, this is reflected by our successful intervention in the Lazarus conflict, our participation in WALL, the treaties signed recently in the last few months and the treaties we are in the process of signing. Internally, it is reflected in that our total forum post count is the highest of all 4 sinker regions (even higher than TRR, which has had the same forum going back to 2004), and our highly active and socially orientated Discord server. If you think Balder is quiet, you're seeing only what you want to see.

Lenlyvit wrote:Oh, also before I forget. Her and NES did exchange the delegacy back and forth once or twice, according to the Balder history page.

Rach and NES did not "exchange" the Delegacy in the sense that there was a backroom deal between them. North East Somerset stood for Delegate and was elected to the position in January 2014, succeeding Rach. On a subsequent occasion, Rach stood for Delegate and re-gained the position in June 2014.

Unibot III wrote:
Why would they post here, bragging about their stability, if they didn't want our approval?

Balder is never going to stop publicly celebrating our Queen's achievements because of the ever-present hostility and bitterness of our enemies.

If you think Balder wants your approval, then you are simply flattering yourself.

Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:
Being high in endorsements doesn't mean they're active.

It's good evidence of healthy on-site engagement, which is part of overall activity.

I wasn't referring to it as a "backroom deal" Onder, maybe you should take a chill pill. I was referring to it as the delegacy changed hands, no matter what the cause was for it changing.
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Postby Feux » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:48 pm

It was probably a backroom deal, though.
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Postby Nightkill » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:32 pm

Feux wrote:It was probably a backroom deal, though.

The way he snapped at it like that, and called it such a thing, gets you thinking eh? XD
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Postby Onderkelkia » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:47 pm

Nightkill wrote:I wasn't referring to it as a "backroom deal" Onder, maybe you should take a chill pill. I was referring to it as the delegacy changed hands, no matter what the cause was for it changing.

If you meant "exchange" in a neutral sense rather than intending to imply a transaction, then you wouldn't have said it. Your sole purpose in this thread is making pitiful attempts at disparaging Balder due to our refusal to conform to the wishes of defender and defender-sympathising politicians.

Regardless, it is a mater of public record that the Delegacy changed hands as a result of competitive elections. The people of Balder decided who was Delegate; no single person gifted the Delegacy to another person at any point.
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Postby Luxembourg » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:01 pm

Big Bad Badger wrote:The region votes her in twice a day to serve as leader. More people are voting yes every day. So perhaps a congratulations is in order to Balder and their leadership rather than shitting on their announcement?

Yes, the fact that there's a welcome telegram asking them to endorse her and the WFE also asks the region's populace to do so has nothing to do with it.

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Postby Flanderlion » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:07 pm

Congratulations on reaching 2nd longest delegacy, and also on getting your endo count up, endo count is something if you leave it for a few weeks, it drops back down again so keep at it.
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Postby Almonaster Nuevo » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:09 pm

Luxembourg wrote:Yes, the fact that there's a welcome telegram asking them to endorse her and the WFE also asks the region's populace to do so has nothing to do with it.

Just about every organized region does that.


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Postby Luxembourg » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:13 pm

Almonaster Nuevo wrote:
Luxembourg wrote:Yes, the fact that there's a welcome telegram asking them to endorse her and the WFE also asks the region's populace to do so has nothing to do with it.

Just about every organized region does that

Congratulations Solorni.


I never said other regions didn't, but to act as if it's some great feat when they have control over the means of communications, appearance and more is silly.

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Postby Lenlyvit » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:14 pm

Onderkelkia wrote:
Nightkill wrote:I wasn't referring to it as a "backroom deal" Onder, maybe you should take a chill pill. I was referring to it as the delegacy changed hands, no matter what the cause was for it changing.

If you meant "exchange" in a neutral sense rather than intending to imply a transaction, then you wouldn't have said it. Your sole purpose in this thread is making pitiful attempts at disparaging Balder due to our refusal to conform to the wishes of defender and defender-sympathising politicians.

Regardless, it is a mater of public record that the Delegacy changed hands as a result of competitive elections. The people of Balder decided who was Delegate; no single person gifted the Delegacy to another person at any point.

I... Wasn't trying to disparage anyone. I honestly don't know how you're getting that. In the US, exchange means many things, including something "exchanging hands" as in where a delegacy is "exchanged" between two people whether it be through succession or through elections. Can you please not try to twist my words into something I don't mean?
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Postby Funkadelia » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:49 pm

Luxembourg wrote:
Almonaster Nuevo wrote:Just about every organized region does that

Congratulations Solorni.


I never said other regions didn't, but to act as if it's some great feat when they have control over the means of communications, appearance and more is silly.

Not understanding the nuances of maintaining a high endocount exposes your ignorance more than anyone else's.
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Postby Luxembourg » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:57 pm

Funkadelia wrote:
Luxembourg wrote:
I never said other regions didn't, but to act as if it's some great feat when they have control over the means of communications, appearance and more is silly.

Not understanding the nuances of maintaining a high endocount exposes your ignorance more than anyone else's.

Oh that hurts, it really truly does. Having been on the website for almost a decade, and often being the one that usurps the ones with those high endocounts. Yes, I know exactly what they have to do to maintain them. So, don't pretend to know me.

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Postby Ikania » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:52 pm

Onderkelkia wrote:The "Longest Serving WA Delegate" recorded on-site in each region is one of a number of reasonable reference points. Clearly, a record of continuous Delegate tenure that goes back earlier than that is also relevant for historical purposes, but in-game recognition of tenure is still a sensible and accessible metric which can be used to establish Delegate longevity, now that we nearly 8 years since that page was first introduced. It should not be disregarded.

A degree of underlying political stability is a necessary but insufficient pre-condiiton* of sustainable activity. Balder has achieved both of these things. If you are saying that previous long-lived Delegacies have failed to achieve sustainable activity, then that is merely confirmation of Balder's relative success.

This is a very long-winded and convoluted way to say "yes, but facts are no fun".
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