Anyone else here sick of TBR?

[Abserdia]

Nope, my founder is a raider.
But she makes raiding cuter!

[Applebania]

IDEA: Make the delegate of your foundered region non-exec below a certain number of endorsements, exec above said number.

This region idea has been brought to you by Applebanian Ideas, Inc.

[Gjulich]

IDEA: Make the delegate of your foundered region non-exec below a certain number of endorsements, exec above said number.

This region idea has been brought to you by Applebanian Ideas, Inc.

Still not a solution. The major difference between Tribes and Petty Kingdoms are their size. When raiders see that their endorsements have no effect, they will just come in larger numbers and wreak havoc that way.

[Rifty]

I'm a raider...and just saying now...

Unless I have a grudge against a region (99% of regions I raid) than I don't bother if it's going to take me more than 4 people. Aha

Endorsement limits are handy.

If you have a fair few endos...you won't be targeted.

[Gjulich]

Just putting this out there to be answered as you wish. What do raiders actually gain from raiding?

[Gigaverse]

I don't see the point in cancelling embassies at all.

That said, I am trying to remain neutral on this matter because of philosophy.

[Evil Wolf]

My region has been invaded three times over the course of this year. It's getting to where giving the WA Delegate powers is flat out dangerous. I've been with this region since the very beginning. I've made and lost friends, had a good time, and even had my round as delegate. My fellow members are my friends, and we came to this place to be to share our love of God. Yet, it seems TBR has no respect for anyone. Even though our region has an active founder, they raid us anyway.

You know, your story very much reminds me of how Defending first got started. A few natives got raided repeatedly, got sick of it and decided to fight back. They banded together to forum groups like ALL and MASS, which evolved in the RLA and ADN, groups that even the two most prominent, if very inactive, modern day Defender alliances, FRA and UDL, can claim links to. Of course, RLA and ADN were actually somewhat feared and skilled opponents, so that's where the similarity between the old and the new stop.

My advice to you is follow in the footsteps of your predecessors. Go grass roots and ignore the ineffective and inactive Defender alliances of today.

Or you can be like quite a number of RPers and just whine that "raiding is legalized griefing" and everything is terrible and nothing can be done about it. That seems to be working out really well so far.

[Rifty]

Just putting this out there to be answered as you wish. What do raiders actually gain from raiding?

The same thing roleplayers get from Roleplays...pleasure

It's exciting getting 32 successful tags in an update because your highest was 31. It's exciting when you are executing a 3 month long sleeper in a region. The butterflies in your stomache...it's different

I myself am not a updater (meaning you won't hear of me much) but I know the pleasure we raiders pull from it.

Very few regions do you enjoy the destruction of...you are enjoying getting there; not the outcome.

Hopefully it makes sense

[Gjulich]

Just putting this out there to be answered as you wish. What do raiders actually gain from raiding?

The same thing roleplayers get from Roleplays...pleasure

It's exciting getting 32 successful tags in an update because your highest was 31. It's exciting when you are executing a 3 month long sleeper in a region. The butterflies in your stomache...it's different

I myself am not a updater (meaning you won't hear of me much) but I know the pleasure we raiders pull from it.

Very few regions do you enjoy the destruction of...you are enjoying getting there; not the outcome.

Hopefully it makes sense

So, you enjoy needlessly breaking records, and annoying other people for no reason other than, "oh yeah, it seems fun"? Just the fact that you get to tear a region apart or destroy something that someone else has worked long days for? Frankly, that sickens me. I could spend 3 months building a region that I'm proud of, and it gets torn down in less than 3 days. Unless it is a 'sleeper', goodness only knows what that is and, frankly, I don't care to know.

[Rikatan]

Just putting this out there to be answered as you wish. What do raiders actually gain from raiding?

The fun of making others suffer. Like many other things on the internet. Like trolls, some moderators, and Google.

The internet is a dark, dark place.

[Rifty]

The same thing roleplayers get from Roleplays...pleasure

It's exciting getting 32 successful tags in an update because your highest was 31. It's exciting when you are executing a 3 month long sleeper in a region. The butterflies in your stomache...it's different

I myself am not a updater (meaning you won't hear of me much) but I know the pleasure we raiders pull from it.

Very few regions do you enjoy the destruction of...you are enjoying getting there; not the outcome.

Hopefully it makes sense

So, you enjoy needlessly breaking records, and annoying other people for no reason other than, "oh yeah, it seems fun"? Just the fact that you get to tear a region apart or destroy something that someone else has worked long days for? Frankly, that sickens me. I could spend 3 months building a region that I'm proud of, and it gets torn down in less than 3 days. Unless it is a 'sleeper', goodness only knows what that is and, frankly, I don't care to know.

If a region can be destroyed in 3 days without a sleeper or intervention from the founder...than it really isn't that much of a piece of work xD

If your region is 3 months old..it'll take a bit longer than 3 days. Also if you has your founder there would be no issues

Ether way....we enjoy it just the same as other people enjoy role playing or having a mass defender circle jerk....if it impacts on you I'm sorry; but it's your fault for having a crap region, a region that has pissed people off of a founder less region.

[Abserdia]

MAKE RAIDING CUTER! But we already did that! HAIL VANDOOSA!

[Rikatan]

So, you enjoy needlessly breaking records, and annoying other people for no reason other than, "oh yeah, it seems fun"? Just the fact that you get to tear a region apart or destroy something that someone else has worked long days for? Frankly, that sickens me. I could spend 3 months building a region that I'm proud of, and it gets torn down in less than 3 days. Unless it is a 'sleeper', goodness only knows what that is and, frankly, I don't care to know.

If a region can be destroyed in 3 days without a sleeper or intervention from the founder...than it really isn't that much of a piece of work xD

If your region is 3 months old..it'll take a bit longer than 3 days. Also if you has your founder there would be no issues

Ether way....we enjoy it just the same as other people enjoy role playing or having a mass defender circle jerk....if it impacts on you I'm sorry; but it's your fault for having a crap region, a region that has pissed people off of a founder less region.

Just like punching a guy is fun for the guy punching. It's the victim's fault for being near the attacker, anyway.

[Tramiar]

So, you enjoy needlessly breaking records, and annoying other people for no reason other than, "oh yeah, it seems fun"? Just the fact that you get to tear a region apart or destroy something that someone else has worked long days for? Frankly, that sickens me. I could spend 3 months building a region that I'm proud of, and it gets torn down in less than 3 days. Unless it is a 'sleeper', goodness only knows what that is and, frankly, I don't care to know.

What we enjoy depends on the raider. Some of us enjoy breaking records (as a group,TBR is a great example of that), some of us enjoy the challenge, some of us love to annoy the defenders, some just enjoy playing the bad guy. I don't think there's a one size fits all, unless you consider "for fun" to be a valid answer. But you might as well know what a sleeper is. That is when we have someone go into your region and basically pretend to be a native for a while, to build up endorsements or influence before the actual raid.

I'm a raider...and just saying now...

Unless I have a grudge against a region (99% of regions I raid) than I don't bother if it's going to take me more than 4 people. Aha

Endorsement limits are handy.

If you have a fair few endos...you won't be targeted.

I don't have a grudge against almost any region I've raided. And I find raids to be more fun when there's more people. Usually means we're going after a bigger region. Which is much more fun than the regions with 5 natives. So while having more endorsements might deter you, if we have the people to beat the limit, it will put him on target lists for other raiders. If I have 10 people to work with, I'm going to prefer hitting regions with 8 or 9 native endorsements to ones with one or two.

That said, they're probably still a good idea if you're a native. The more updaters we need to take your region, the less chance there is of us hitting it. If we need 10 people, we are probably going to be able to get them sooner and more easily than if we need 20.

[Herargon]

Excuse me, but may I ask what TBR means?

[Rikatan]

as a group,TBR is a great example of that)

TBR? I've never seen them raid a region with more than 15 people. They boast about raiding regions that have only two or three active members.

Excuse me, but may I ask what TBR means?

The Black Riders.

[Tramiar]

Excuse me, but may I ask what TBR means?

The Black Riders. They are a raiding region.

[Herargon]

Excuse me, but may I ask what TBR means?

The Black Riders. They are a raiding region.

Oh, okay. Nothing to do there then

[Tramiar]

as a group,TBR is a great example of that)

TBR? I've never seen them raid a region with more than 15 people. They boast about raiding regions that have only two or three active members.
TBR raids bigger regions. They just happen to do mostly tagging. And I believe their boasting is more about how many of those regions they get at once rather than the fact that they have that amount of members.

[Tramiar]

The Black Riders. They are a raiding region.

Oh, okay. Nothing to do there then

Well, there's raiding to do there. (And possibly other things too. I haven't visited their forum lately.) But I am not doing their recruiting for them. If I recruit raiders it is for TBH.

[Rikatan]

TBR raids bigger regions. They just happen to do mostly tagging. And I believe their boasting is more about how many of those regions they get at once rather than the fact that they have that amount of members.

But that's just..... so stupid. I mean, they barely raid any regions with actual people. They might as well create regions and put that WFE entry in them.

I'm sad for those few regions that have people, and are still raided.

[Gjulich]

TBR raids bigger regions. They just happen to do mostly tagging. And I believe their boasting is more about how many of those regions they get at once rather than the fact that they have that amount of members.

But that's just..... so stupid. I mean, they barely raid any regions with actual people. They might as well create regions and put that WFE entry in them.

I'm sad for those few regions that have people, and are still raided.

Agreed. It is a terrible waste of everyone's time.

[The Sapientia]

as a group,TBR is a great example of that)

TBR? I've never seen them raid a region with more than 15 people. They boast about raiding regions that have only two or three active members.

Excuse me, but may I ask what TBR means?

The Black Riders.

Ixnay
The Silver Isles

Two very recent raids that had 70+ nations before TBR hit them.

We can name countless others if you like.

[Rifty]

If a region can be destroyed in 3 days without a sleeper or intervention from the founder...than it really isn't that much of a piece of work xD

If your region is 3 months old..it'll take a bit longer than 3 days. Also if you has your founder there would be no issues

Ether way....we enjoy it just the same as other people enjoy role playing or having a mass defender circle jerk....if it impacts on you I'm sorry; but it's your fault for having a crap region, a region that has pissed people off of a founder less region.

Just like punching a guy is fun for the guy punching. It's the victim's fault for being near the attacker, anyway.

Rather idiotic analogy~

Tags can be reversed - being hit can't. This is a game - that's real life. If you feel raiding is similar to hitting someone; bring me your face because I'll do both if you want.

If you want to ban raiding because it destroys and disrupts...ban Roleplays. I've seen Roleplays where genocide happens...how is that any better than be tagging a region filled with inactive puppets?

[Gjulich]

TBR? I've never seen them raid a region with more than 15 people. They boast about raiding regions that have only two or three active members.


The Black Riders.

Ixnay
The Silver Isles

Two very recent raids that had 70+ nations before TBR hit them.

We can name countless others if you like.

Thank you! You have proven my point!