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[Mad Jack]

Nice timing, Jack.

Out of my head, dear.

[Feux]

I believe he was trying to paint Bel's opinions regarding regional governments as a direct reflection of the system in The South Pacific, even though Bel is a member of the Deshret and probably was speaking as such at the time.

Bel proposed a constitution that was pretty much a replica of TSP's. Now I have nothing against TSP's constitution, but it doesn't suit the culture or history of Osiris.

Ah, that makes sense.

[Mad Jack]

Wut?

One of our staffers made this.

Your staffers would be better off reporting on the recall of the Minister of the Army in TSP... which would also tell you a few things about the state of the army of TSP...

[NS Confidential]

Your staffers would be better off reporting on the recall of the Minister of the Army in TSP... which would also tell you a few things about the state of the army of TSP...

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[McMasterdonia]

I believe he was trying to paint Bel's opinions regarding regional governments as a direct reflection of the system in The South Pacific, even though Bel is a member of the Deshret and probably was speaking as such at the time.

Bel proposed a constitution that was pretty much a replica of TSP's. Now I have nothing against TSP's constitution, but it doesn't suit the culture or history of Osiris.

I didn't see any such implication in Bels post that he wanted Osiris to be anything other than a transparent government and I didn't know why Mad Jack was making that accusation. But I have not been paying attention to the internal disagreements of Osiris lately.

It now makes sense to me. That does seem like a rather odd thing for Belschaft to do, planning to exploit the system perhaps A Committee for Public Safety up next, perhaps?

Nice work on the image NSConfidential

[South Pacific Belschaft]

Bel proposed a constitution that was pretty much a replica of TSP's. Now I have nothing against TSP's constitution, but it doesn't suit the culture or history of Osiris.

I didn't see any such implication in Bels post that he wanted Osiris to be anything other than a transparent government and I didn't know why Mad Jack was making that accusation. But I have not been paying attention to the internal disagreements of Osiris lately.

It now makes sense to me. That does seem like a rather odd thing for Belschaft to do, planning to exploit the system perhaps A Committee for Public Safety up next, perhaps?

Nice work on the image NSConfidential

Been there, done that, rigged the elections.

Bel proposed a constitution that was pretty much a replica of TSP's. Now I have nothing against TSP's constitution, but it doesn't suit the culture or history of Osiris.

Ah, that makes sense.

I proposed that Osiris become a parliamentary republic, and proposed a rough constitutional structure along those lines. It was by no means a replica of TSP's, but was influenced by experiences there, in TNP, Balder and many other regions. It was similar to TSP's in that TSP is a parliamentary republic. I continue to believe that such forms of governance are the most stable, transparent and sustainable in NS.

[NS Confidential]

Interview with Belschaft: The State of TSP-Osiris Relations and More!

NS Confidential's Afforess and Belschaft, current delegate of The South Pacific, sat down for an interview on the tense situation between Osiris and The South Pacific as of late.

Afforess: For those not in the know: what are the major concerns of The South Pacific that lead to the dissolution of TSP-Osiris Treaty?

Belschaft: We do not have any major concerns regarding events in Osiris. The Cabinet of The South Pacific is quite satisfied with the current progress being made within Osiris and enjoys good relations with the Delegate of Osiris, Detective Figs, and her regime. However, the TSP-Osiris Treaty was signed on behalf of the two regions by the Delegates of the Coalition and The Kemetic Republic; the second party no longer exists.

The Kemetic Republic was and is the only government of Osiris that we have recognized as legitimate. We support Detective figs and he regime, but based upon the continued understanding that it is a transitional government; we look forward to its replacement by a constitutional successor to the Kemetic Republic, and attendant new elections.

We fully expect this successor government to be constituted largely from the current transitional regime, which is in turn largely made up of former members of the Kemetic Republic, and once we deem that it meets our criterion we will transfer recognition to it as the constitutional successor of the Kemetic Republic.

In the meantime, The Cabinet felt it would be best to suspend the TSP-Osiris treaty and renegotiate it at a future date. The Assembly felt differently, and preferred a simple dissolution. Whilst I am obviously disappointed with that, the current situation is not drastically different from what I desired nor incompatible with The Cabinets foreign policy objectives. We remain committed to the security and prosperity of our historic ally Osiris, and wish her the best going forward.

What are your thoughts on Astarial’s so-called “Sandbox Model” of governance?

I don't think that "Sandbox" is the correct way to describe it. As a transitional regime without established institutions it is currently lacking in a number of areas, but a structured system of governance is now being put into place.

A legislature, which I am part of, is now functioning and will be followed by a judiciary, and in due course a new body of regional law. In the meantime the functions of governance are being exercised by the delegate and her appointees.

"Sandbox" implies that there are no rules or objectives, and no political direction; this is not the case.

Cormac Stark, a member of Osiris’s Imperial Council, called The South Pacific’s Coalition, an “interregional irrelevance”, “worthless” and “a rotting shell” – he went on to call The South Pacific, “a largely inactive region that has no interest in properly defending itself or providing any meaningful assistance in our defense”. There’s a lot to unpack there, but are these accusations true?

Well, I certainly don't consider them to be accurate. It's true that we, like most GCR's, suffer from periods of regional inactivity and for us this summer lull was a particularly bad one.

As I understand it Cormac was making a political attack on TSP for his own purposes within Osiris, and as such have not paid his accusations a great deal of attention.

So you view his opinions as a mean to an ends rather than the official Osirian view of TSP?

Cormac is not responsible for Osiris FA, and I have been assured that his opinion is not that of the current Regime. I am in daily communication with the Delegate of Osiris and have heard no such criticism from her at any point.

If The South Pacific were to win the bid to host the NS World Fair, what could we expect from The South Pacific as hosts?

I was under the general impression that the NS World Fair was not happening anymore? It's not been called off officially, but it is weeks behind schedule and there has been zero communication from its organizers.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see; I hope it does still happen. Should TSP win then people can expect a relatively laid back set of hosts who will try to make the event as welcoming and fun for as many people as possible. We don't tend to be especially dogmatic or ideological in TSP, but if given a soapbox like that I would probably do my best to promote concepts we consider important like democracy and the rule of law.

It's not something that people tend to consider very much, but I consider an orderly interregional diplomatic system which operates upon a basis of common principles and laws preferable to the current free for all.

It's a topic I've discussed with a number of people in broad academic terms, but alas not one we consider practical at present.

A month or so ago you spoke to The Runes about a “Cold War”; do you feel the Cold War is still present and has anything changed to affect your original predictions regarding it?

Regarding the concept of a GCR cold war, I don't think the situation has changed dramatically. The purge of TNI members from Lazarus obviously was a fairly dramatic moment and moved Lazarus firmly into the pro-NPO camp, but aside from that the state of GCR relations is largely the same.

Those regions which didn't get on previously still don't now, and whilst there is less direct NPO-Ind/Imp tension - Lazarus having been the main location for it at the time - it still exists.

Osiris is currently a bit of a wild card, as her historic allies in TNP and TSP have both dissolved their treaties with her, but she remains close to TNI and as such is unlikely to move to the NPO camp.

Ok, and the final question for now: There are rumors that The United Defenders League has freshly proposed a treaty with The South Pacific – any truth to that?

There was a rough UDL draft that they were considering proposing to TSP. It became known to us and the wider NS world early due to a forum glitch at their end. Since then the text has been sent to TSP's Cabinet, and we are discussing it internally.

Thanks for sitting down with us, Belschaft.

Your welcome, always a pleasure.

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- NS Confidential. Interview by Afforess. Oct. 17, 2013.

[Solorni]

Belschaft gets all the interview and Osiris the attention

[South Pacific Belschaft]

More or less. Everyone seems to want to interview me for some reason; I certainly don't mind, if being a GCR Delegate doesn't work out for me I can get a second career as political commentator.

[Solorni]

The last time someone interviewed me it was thrawnn and it was all about rl stuff

This is a good interview btw.

[Feux]

I think this idea of a Cold War is rather one sided.

[Unibot III]

I think this idea of a Cold War is rather one sided.

I think the assumption that either TNP or TSP are non-fluid ideological points is incorrect. They, out of any of the GCRs, go through the most political change over a given span of a few months.

[Feux]

I think this idea of a Cold War is rather one sided.

I think the assumption that either TNP or TSP are non-fluid ideological points is incorrect. They, out of any of the GCRs, go through the most political change over a given span of a few months.

Yes, but there is always that core group of individuals within in each region to take into consideration; however, your point is valid.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

I think the assumption that either TNP or TSP are non-fluid ideological points is incorrect. They, out of any of the GCRs, go through the most political change over a given span of a few months.

Yes, but there is always that core group of individuals within in each region to take into consideration; however, your point is valid.

Political, but not ideological change. Both TNP and TSP have strong regional Assemblies that exercise considerable power in the region and serve as a counterbalance to any ideological change likely to come from a new executive. Further, both regions tend to be non-ideological in general as a result of an established democratic consensus of the center.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Why does nobody ever interview me?

Anyways, regarding TSP and its security, we have allies whom the Cabinet has full faith in their abilities. Yes, our regional army is lacking, but we still have a security establishment. In the grand scheme of things, regional armies are more about generating activity than protecting regions (at least in the GCRs). I'm not aware of any GCR in recent history that's been able to fight against coup all by themselves.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

Why does nobody ever interview me?

It comes with the feeder delegacy. Everyone suddenly assumes your very important and have an interesting and informed opinion.

[Feux]

Yes, but there is always that core group of individuals within in each region to take into consideration; however, your point is valid.

Political, but not ideological change. Both TNP and TSP have strong regional Assemblies that exercise considerable power in the region and serve as a counterbalance to any ideological change likely to come from a new executive. Further, both regions tend to be non-ideological in general as a result of an established democratic consensus of the center.

I think Uni meant it as "political" or a region's political alignment. Also, democracy is an ideology that is firmly driven in TNP & TSP. The way you worded that seemed to appear like you were saying they were absent of an ideology.

[Feux]

Why does nobody ever interview me?

It comes with the feeder delegacy. Everyone suddenly assumes your very important and have an interesting and informed opinion.

This is so true it hurts.

[Unibot III]

Yes, but there is always that core group of individuals within in each region to take into consideration; however, your point is valid.

Political, but not ideological change. Both TNP and TSP have strong regional Assemblies that exercise considerable power in the region and serve as a counterbalance to any ideological change likely to come from a new executive. Further, both regions tend to be non-ideological in general as a result of an established democratic consensus of the center.

*coughs* What a load of bullshit.

Ideological change in the executive have massive spillover effects in the legislature - moreover, the constitutional privileges of Ministers and Delegates mean the NPA and the SPA are more or less prone to change ideologically depending on who is elected. Any veto points acquired by the legislature are unattainable while they are largely stalemated ideologically.

And there is no such thing as "non-ideological". There are ideas and there are non-ideas. Non-ideological is a non-idea.

[Feux]

I was wrong Bel.

[Unibot III]

I was wrong Bel.

No, you were right. But I would argue political change drives ideological change too, coincidentally. So you were right, Gettier says so! ^_^

[Cormac A Stark]

Cormac Stark, a member of Osiris’s Imperial Council, called The South Pacific’s Coalition, an “interregional irrelevance”, “worthless” and “a rotting shell” – he went on to call The South Pacific, “a largely inactive region that has no interest in properly defending itself or providing any meaningful assistance in our defense”. There’s a lot to unpack there, but are these accusations true?

Well, I certainly don't consider them to be accurate. It's true that we, like most GCR's, suffer from periods of regional inactivity and for us this summer lull was a particularly bad one.

As I understand it Cormac was making a political attack on TSP for his own purposes within Osiris, and as such have not paid his accusations a great deal of attention.

I stand by my comments. The South Pacific was neither able to manage the liberation effort for its own coup -- which was instead managed by The North Pacific, Osiris, and the UDL -- nor to provide any meaningful assistance to liberate Osiris. The assistance provided by The South Pacific was in the form of one person, Drugged Monkeys, who fell inactive and failed to endorse the correct nations. That TSP is just getting around to contemplating recall of an Army Minister who was so negligent during their own coup as well as the coup of a treaty ally speaks volumes about their interest in defending themselves and their treaty allies, and about their interregional relevance.

I didn't make these comments for any political purpose, as I have no political purpose within Osiris anymore. I made these comments because they're true and I like to cut through the bullshit whenever possible.

Obviously, these comments don't represent the official opinion of the Osiran government. Only the opinion of the person who daily put effort into liberating The South Pacific and saw no similar effort from TSP during the coup of Osiris, and who laughed when he heard the Coalition was calling Osiris' new government illegitimate as if we were supposed to care and as if they were supposed to matter.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

Cormac Stark, a member of Osiris’s Imperial Council, called The South Pacific’s Coalition, an “interregional irrelevance”, “worthless” and “a rotting shell” – he went on to call The South Pacific, “a largely inactive region that has no interest in properly defending itself or providing any meaningful assistance in our defense”. There’s a lot to unpack there, but are these accusations true?

Well, I certainly don't consider them to be accurate. It's true that we, like most GCR's, suffer from periods of regional inactivity and for us this summer lull was a particularly bad one.

As I understand it Cormac was making a political attack on TSP for his own purposes within Osiris, and as such have not paid his accusations a great deal of attention.

I stand by my comments. The South Pacific was neither able to manage the liberation effort for its own coup -- which was instead managed by The North Pacific, Osiris, and the UDL -- nor to provide any meaningful assistance to liberate Osiris. The assistance provided by The South Pacific was in the form of one person, Drugged Monkeys, who fell inactive and failed to endorse the correct nations. That TSP is just getting around to contemplating recall of an Army Minister who was so negligent during their own coup as well as the coup of a treaty ally speaks volumes about their interest in defending themselves and their treaty allies, and about their interregional relevance.

I didn't make these comments for any political purpose, as I have no political purpose within Osiris anymore. I made these comments because they're true and I like to cut through the bullshit whenever possible.

Obviously, these comments don't represent the official opinion of the Osiran government. Only the opinion of the person who daily put effort into liberating The South Pacific and saw no similar effort from TSP during the coup of Osiris, and who laughed when he heard the Coalition was calling Osiris' new government illegitimate as if we were supposed to care and as if they were supposed to matter.

You continue to claim that the New Southern Army deployed just one soldier to Osiris during the Dourian coup. This is false. As has been pointed out to you before, the actual deployment was nine soldiers, which whilst not the largest military deployment in history is 900% larger than the one you are claiming. Further, your absurd argument that the liberation of TSP during the Milograd coup was conducted by The North Pacific, Osiris and UDL has received no support or confirmation from anyone else involved in the operation, including the members of Osiris who had access to our higher command channels at the time. Your allegations have no basis in reality.

[Cormac A Stark]

You continue to claim that the New Southern Army deployed just one soldier to Osiris during the Dourian coup. This is false. As has been pointed out to you before, the actual deployment was nine soldiers, which whilst not the largest military deployment in history is 900% larger than the one you are claiming. Further, your absurd argument that the liberation of TSP during the Milograd coup was conducted by The North Pacific, Osiris and UDL has received no support or confirmation from anyone else involved in the operation, including the members of Osiris who had access to our higher command channels at the time. Your allegations have no basis in reality.

I have never been informed that TSP deployed nine soldiers within Osiris. I asked Drugged Monkeys repeatedly for the names and identities of TSP's nations in Osiris and received no response from him, and the only nation I could ever identify as belonging to an NSA soldier was Drugged Monkeys' nation.

Regarding your own coup, every operation was led either by Eluvatar, Biyah, Mcmasterdonia, or some combination of these. Sometimes there weren't even TSP officials active in the channel from which operations were conducted, though they were typically present and idling. I'm sure others can verify this; whether they will verify it is another matter. I heard complaints from multiple people involved in the operation that TSP was barely involved in its own liberation.

[Tim-Opolis]

I stand by my comments. The South Pacific was neither able to manage the liberation effort for its own coup -- which was instead managed by The North Pacific, Osiris, and the UDL -- nor to provide any meaningful assistance to liberate Osiris. The assistance provided by The South Pacific was in the form of one person, Drugged Monkeys, who fell inactive and failed to endorse the correct nations. That TSP is just getting around to contemplating recall of an Army Minister who was so negligent during their own coup as well as the coup of a treaty ally speaks volumes about their interest in defending themselves and their treaty allies, and about their interregional relevance.

I didn't make these comments for any political purpose, as I have no political purpose within Osiris anymore. I made these comments because they're true and I like to cut through the bullshit whenever possible.

Obviously, these comments don't represent the official opinion of the Osiran government. Only the opinion of the person who daily put effort into liberating The South Pacific and saw no similar effort from TSP during the coup of Osiris, and who laughed when he heard the Coalition was calling Osiris' new government illegitimate as if we were supposed to care and as if they were supposed to matter.

You continue to claim that the New Southern Army deployed just one soldier to Osiris during the Dourian coup. This is false. As has been pointed out to you before, the actual deployment was nine soldiers, which whilst not the largest military deployment in history is 900% larger than the one you are claiming. Further, your absurd argument that the liberation of TSP during the Milograd coup was conducted by The North Pacific, Osiris and UDL has received no support or confirmation from anyone else involved in the operation, including the members of Osiris who had access to our higher command channels at the time. Your allegations have no basis in reality.

If TSP had nine soldiers in Osiris, during the Dourian coup, I certainly didn't hear of it. I believe I saw 2-3, and believed another few were false-flagging. Perhaps the easiest thing to resolve this conflict would be for SPA to simply send an appropriate Osiran official the puppets that their troops used? It seems a simple enough way to solve the numbers dispute; back them up.

Regarding the TSP Coup... Last I checked, we basically had Biyah running the whole thing by the end... Yeah don't think there's much more to say on that.