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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:05 pm

And neither was Brutland, from what I understand, going around lording it over people.
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Postby Southern Bellz » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:23 pm

And that was a thread created by me, and the idea was later proposed again with Topid. That's three examples of ex TSP delegates that have advocated for influence reform of some sort.

Everyone knows Milo's reasons for this coup is full of BS, some people just always support chaos for the sake of it. I have yet to see a legit reason on how influence has 'held TSP back'.

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Postby Mahendo sat » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:30 pm

I thought it was more because the people on this game want to uphold the status quo. Every region has to be a democracy with fair elections, and oh be defender aligned. As it is now, NS is kinda boring. Coups are hilarious in feeder regions, and moral defenders hate it, they want everything to be nice and quiet. NS isn't fun when theres nothing happening. It's a struggle for newer nations to get involved in feeders, or any larger region.

I support Milograd and decry the defenders who wish to enforce their views upon everyone.

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Postby Southern Bellz » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:32 pm

Except TSP wasn't defender aligned and was in the process of voting on a new charter. So I guess 2/3 points being wrong is okay.

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Postby Cromarty » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:18 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:I feel a strange and sudden desire to locate a founderless RP region and grief it out of existence.

Which is exactly what I said would happen to RP regions on #nssanctuary last night. And that stopped a lot of RPers who would otherwise have supported Milograd to not.

This isn't an attack by RP on TSP or on Gameplay. It is an attack coming out of one channel by one rp region. Attacking rp regions in light of this makes you worse than those attacking your region.
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Postby North East Somerset » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:46 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:I feel a strange and sudden desire to locate a founderless RP region and grief it out of existence.


Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you. *Cackle* :evil:
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Postby Ofly » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:56 pm

Punk Daddy wrote:offly - when you click on fudgetopia's nation and then on view forum posts, you'll find that she has 2 forum posts. One of those posts actually supports the sharing of influence with other nations. I'll quote it:

Clearly Fudgetopia is more enlightened than the average member of the Bourgeois. However, that does not change the fact that she oppresses the masses with her influence. While she may proclaim the need for influence sharing, she does not give up any of her own. In that regards, she is like Todd McCloud; she claims that if things change she will go along with it, but will not act as the agent of change. Milograd is the agent of change, liberating The South Pacific for the starving masses.
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Postby Ofly » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:49 pm

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In The Pacific, birthplace of the world and the first kindling ground of revolutionary thought, a great celebration unfolded in the cold winter of 2011. Though he was just a swaddling babe, all who saw the young child Milograd knew that he was filled with true revolutionary spirit. It is said that when he first left his mother's womb, even the village honeybees began to labor for themselves, overthrowing the oligarchic queens.

For years, Milograd labored so that the world would know his name. He traveled through many regions, and his exploits became renowned far and wide among the proletariat of the world. Milograd even joined the United Defenders League, a well-known subversive organization, so that he would be able to expose its lies and fight it from within.

It was not long before Milograd discovered The South Pacific during his journeys. For years, the region had proclaimed itself to be a bastion of democracy, of the people, and Milograd, being a true hero of the people, felt compelled to join the struggle. When he arrived, he found that it was all a lie. The oligarchs who controlled the region, all members of the bourgeoisie, used democracy like venus fly trap uses its sweet aroma. The hard working flies, the masses of The South Pacific, were lured in, only to be enveloped in a trap and have their life's blood drained. Through oppressive endorsement ceilings, the oligarchs controlled the means of production, and stole what little influence the proletariat had. Glorious Revolutionary Milograd knew he had to break the shackles.

It was in December of 2012 that our heroic comrade made his first move on the region. Though his delegacy was short, as a higher power called him away three months later, the seeds of Revolution were sown. The people of The South Pacific felt the first taste of freedom under Milograd, and when he returned, they welcomed him with joyous celebration. It is said that when Milograd reentered The South Pacific to take up the delegacy once more, the thousands who had been oppressed by the oligarchs cried out in Revolutionary song:

Our liberator, Milograd, has come!
Our liberator, Milograd, has come!
Workers, sing the songs of Revolution!
Workers, sing the songs of Revolution!


On April 20, a date that will forever be celebrated by the proletariat of the world, Milograd began the righteous purging of the oligarchs and their foreign bedfellows. All those who stood against the proletariat will soon join the first spies to be executed. The reign of the people has arrived, and will last 10000 updates!

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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:02 pm

Cromarty wrote:
South Pacific Belschaft wrote:I feel a strange and sudden desire to locate a founderless RP region and grief it out of existence.

Which is exactly what I said would happen to RP regions on #nssanctuary last night. And that stopped a lot of RPers who would otherwise have supported Milograd to not.

This isn't an attack by RP on TSP or on Gameplay. It is an attack coming out of one channel by one rp region. Attacking rp regions in light of this makes you worse than those attacking your region.

I did say a strange desire George. I'm not going to actually do it; unlike Milo I have no intent to grief someones region, no matter how frustrated I am.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:21 pm

What a lovely puppet you have there, United Gordonopia. Generally, if trying to stay anonymous, you don't use use a dirty R/D puppet that you have. Fortunately, Senior Merryman Ravania is quite good at sniffing those out. It's dissapointing, though, considering that you really could have become someone in the UDL. You were a Senior Merryman, and quite capable too. Alas, you have closed that chapter. Now you're just another one of Milograd's pawns, preaching his questionable dogma.

Ah well, c'est la vie.
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Postby Kanab (Ancient) » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:25 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:
Cromarty wrote:Which is exactly what I said would happen to RP regions on #nssanctuary last night. And that stopped a lot of RPers who would otherwise have supported Milograd to not.

This isn't an attack by RP on TSP or on Gameplay. It is an attack coming out of one channel by one rp region. Attacking rp regions in light of this makes you worse than those attacking your region.

I did say a strange desire George. I'm not going to actually do it; unlike Milo I have no intent to grief someones region, no matter how frustrated I am.


Griefing? Who said anything about griefing?

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Postby Leistung » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:43 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:What a lovely puppet you have there, United Gordonopia. Generally, if trying to stay anonymous, you don't use use a dirty R/D puppet that you have. Fortunately, Senior Merryman Ravania is quite good at sniffing those out. It's dissapointing, though, considering that you really could have become someone in the UDL. You were a Senior Merryman, and quite capable too. Alas, you have closed that chapter. Now you're just another one of Milograd's pawns, preaching his questionable dogma.

Ah well, c'est la vie.

I mostly just wanted to quote this so that, in case you deleted it, I would still be able to go back and laugh at it.
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Postby Akimonad » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:47 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:What a lovely puppet you have there, United Gordonopia. Generally, if trying to stay anonymous, you don't use use a dirty R/D puppet that you have.


I don't think that any of us are trying to stay anonymous.

Fortunately, Senior Merryman Ravania is quite good at sniffing those out. It's dissapointing, though, considering that you really could have become someone in the UDL. You were a Senior Merryman, and quite capable too. Alas, you have closed that chapter. Now you're just another one of Milograd's pawns, preaching his questionable dogma.


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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:53 pm

Akimonad wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:What a lovely puppet you have there, United Gordonopia. Generally, if trying to stay anonymous, you don't use use a dirty R/D puppet that you have.


I don't think that any of us are trying to stay anonymous.

Fortunately, Senior Merryman Ravania is quite good at sniffing those out. It's dissapointing, though, considering that you really could have become someone in the UDL. You were a Senior Merryman, and quite capable too. Alas, you have closed that chapter. Now you're just another one of Milograd's pawns, preaching his questionable dogma.


UDL: Taking itself and R/D too seriously for way too long.

The UDL and UDLers are, generally, as much 'in character' as anything else. :P A lot of Gameplayers are, for that matter.
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Postby Mahaj » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:53 pm

Akimonad wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:What a lovely puppet you have there, United Gordonopia. Generally, if trying to stay anonymous, you don't use use a dirty R/D puppet that you have.


I don't think that any of us are trying to stay anonymous.

Fortunately, Senior Merryman Ravania is quite good at sniffing those out. It's dissapointing, though, considering that you really could have become someone in the UDL. You were a Senior Merryman, and quite capable too. Alas, you have closed that chapter. Now you're just another one of Milograd's pawns, preaching his questionable dogma.


UDL: Taking itself and R/D too seriously for way too long.

Obviously you were trying to stay anonymous, else you would have done it under your main nation.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:55 pm

Ofly wrote:
Punk Daddy wrote:offly - when you click on fudgetopia's nation and then on view forum posts, you'll find that she has 2 forum posts. One of those posts actually supports the sharing of influence with other nations. I'll quote it:

Clearly Fudgetopia is more enlightened than the average member of the Bourgeois. However, that does not change the fact that she oppresses the masses with her influence. While she may proclaim the need for influence sharing, she does not give up any of her own. In that regards, she is like Todd McCloud; she claims that if things change she will go along with it, but will not act as the agent of change. Milograd is the agent of change, liberating The South Pacific for the starving masses.

First of all, it is mechanically impossible to share Influence, atm, or 'give it up', bar moving. Second of all, Milograd is changing nothing. Thirdly, having influence oppresses absolutely no one.
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Postby Mahaj » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:57 pm

Ofly wrote:

In The Pacific, birthplace of the world and the first kindling ground of revolutionary thought, a great celebration unfolded in the cold winter of 2011. Though he was just a swaddling babe, all who saw the young child Milograd knew that he was filled with true revolutionary spirit. It is said that when he first left his mother's womb, even the village honeybees began to labor for themselves, overthrowing the oligarchic queens.

For years, Milograd labored so that the world would know his name. He traveled through many regions, and his exploits became renowned far and wide among the proletariat of the world. Milograd even joined the United Defenders League, a well-known subversive organization, so that he would be able to expose its lies and fight it from within.

It was not long before Milograd discovered The South Pacific during his journeys. For years, the region had proclaimed itself to be a bastion of democracy, of the people, and Milograd, being a true hero of the people, felt compelled to join the struggle. When he arrived, he found that it was all a lie. The oligarchs who controlled the region, all members of the bourgeoisie, used democracy like venus fly trap uses its sweet aroma. The hard working flies, the masses of The South Pacific, were lured in, only to be enveloped in a trap and have their life's blood drained. Through oppressive endorsement ceilings, the oligarchs controlled the means of production, and stole what little influence the proletariat had. Glorious Revolutionary Milograd knew he had to break the shackles.

It was in December of 2012 that our heroic comrade made his first move on the region. Though his delegacy was short, as a higher power called him away three months later, the seeds of Revolution were sown. The people of The South Pacific felt the first taste of freedom under Milograd, and when he returned, they welcomed him with joyous celebration. It is said that when Milograd reentered The South Pacific to take up the delegacy once more, the thousands who had been oppressed by the oligarchs cried out in Revolutionary song:

Our liberator, Milograd, has come!
Our liberator, Milograd, has come!
Workers, sing the songs of Revolution!
Workers, sing the songs of Revolution!


On April 20, a date that will forever be celebrated by the proletariat of the world, Milograd began the righteous purging of the oligarchs and their foreign bedfellows. All those who stood against the proletariat will soon join the first spies to be executed. The reign of the people has arrived, and will last 10000 updates!

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This is a very interesting history of Milograd, thank you.
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Postby Ofly » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:58 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Ofly wrote:

In The Pacific, birthplace of the world and the first kindling ground of revolutionary thought, a great celebration unfolded in the cold winter of 2011. Though he was just a swaddling babe, all who saw the young child Milograd knew that he was filled with true revolutionary spirit. It is said that when he first left his mother's womb, even the village honeybees began to labor for themselves, overthrowing the oligarchic queens.

For years, Milograd labored so that the world would know his name. He traveled through many regions, and his exploits became renowned far and wide among the proletariat of the world. Milograd even joined the United Defenders League, a well-known subversive organization, so that he would be able to expose its lies and fight it from within.

It was not long before Milograd discovered The South Pacific during his journeys. For years, the region had proclaimed itself to be a bastion of democracy, of the people, and Milograd, being a true hero of the people, felt compelled to join the struggle. When he arrived, he found that it was all a lie. The oligarchs who controlled the region, all members of the bourgeoisie, used democracy like venus fly trap uses its sweet aroma. The hard working flies, the masses of The South Pacific, were lured in, only to be enveloped in a trap and have their life's blood drained. Through oppressive endorsement ceilings, the oligarchs controlled the means of production, and stole what little influence the proletariat had. Glorious Revolutionary Milograd knew he had to break the shackles.

It was in December of 2012 that our heroic comrade made his first move on the region. Though his delegacy was short, as a higher power called him away three months later, the seeds of Revolution were sown. The people of The South Pacific felt the first taste of freedom under Milograd, and when he returned, they welcomed him with joyous celebration. It is said that when Milograd reentered The South Pacific to take up the delegacy once more, the thousands who had been oppressed by the oligarchs cried out in Revolutionary song:



On April 20, a date that will forever be celebrated by the proletariat of the world, Milograd began the righteous purging of the oligarchs and their foreign bedfellows. All those who stood against the proletariat will soon join the first spies to be executed. The reign of the people has arrived, and will last 10000 updates!

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This is a very interesting history of Milograd, thank you.

Mahaj endorses the true story of comrade Milograd! An agent of the UDL acknowledges the truth!
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Postby Akimonad » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:59 pm

Mahaj wrote:Obviously you were trying to stay anonymous, else you would have done it under your main nation.


Is that why you defend with your main nation?

Oh, wait.

We'll also ignore that my puppet has the pretitle of "Akimonadi Overseas Territory", because that doesn't clue you in at all.

Cerian Quilor wrote:The UDL and UDLers are, generally, as much 'in character' as anything else. :P A lot of Gameplayers are, for that matter.


They don't do a very good job.
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Postby Maltropia » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:59 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Akimonad wrote:
I don't think that any of us are trying to stay anonymous.



UDL: Taking itself and R/D too seriously for way too long.

Obviously you were trying to stay anonymous, else you would have done it under your main nation.

Alternatively, like many roleplayers, he wishes to remain in his home region.

EDIT: Or, you know, what Aki said.
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Postby Mahaj » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:03 pm

Ofly wrote:
Mahaj wrote:

This is a very interesting history of Milograd, thank you.

Mahaj endorses the true story of comrade Milograd! An agent of the UDL acknowledges the truth!

I did not say that.
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Postby Leistung » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:07 pm

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Ofly wrote:Mahaj endorses the true story of comrade Milograd! An agent of the UDL acknowledges the truth!

I did not say that.

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Postby Ofly » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:21 pm

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They are in your region. They are in your town. They may even be on your very street. They are the agents of the Oligarchs and their bedfellows, the foreign interlopers.

Many who claim to be fighting for the 'freedom' and the sham 'Democracy' of the proletariat in The South Pacific have admitted to flooding our noble region with their puppets. They think they can overwhelm our glorious Revolution with their false masses, but they are wrong!

It is because of these false against, sent by the UDL, TITO, and even the justly exiled bourgeoisie, that the harmonization process of purgings in The South Pacific are justified. Indeed, the working class of The South Pacific would lose its greatest warrior, Milograd, should the scheming and deceptive tactics of the puppetmasters prevail.

Some claim that innocent natives have been ejected, but there are none who are innocent. Those without the courage to stand up to the Oligarchs are just as guilty as those who die for tyranny! Should a few bystanders fall so that thousands of patriotic South Pacificans may live in harmony, so be it!

The ejections are just. The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of ejection and banning.

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Postby Mahaj » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:25 pm

Ofly wrote:

They are in your region. They are in your town. They may even be on your very street. They are the agents of the Oligarchs and their bedfellows, the foreign interlopers.

Many who claim to be fighting for the 'freedom' and the sham 'Democracy' of the proletariat in The South Pacific have admitted to flooding our noble region with their puppets. They think they can overwhelm our glorious Revolution with their false masses, but they are wrong!

It is because of these false against, sent by the UDL, TITO, and even the justly exiled bourgeoisie, that the ejections and bannings in The South Pacific are justified. Indeed, the working class of The South Pacific would lose its greatest warrior, Milograd, should the scheming and deceptive tactics of the puppetmasters prevail.

Some claim that innocent natives have been ejected, but there are none who are innocent. Those without the courage to stand up to the Oligarchs are just as guilty as those who die for tyranny! Should a few bystanders fall so that thousands of patriotic South Pacificans may live in harmony, so be it!

The ejections are just. The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of ejection and banning.


Are posts like these officially sanctioned by Milograd?
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Postby The Ghost Of Kim Jong-il » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:36 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Ofly wrote:

They are in your region. They are in your town. They may even be on your very street. They are the agents of the Oligarchs and their bedfellows, the foreign interlopers.

Many who claim to be fighting for the 'freedom' and the sham 'Democracy' of the proletariat in The South Pacific have admitted to flooding our noble region with their puppets. They think they can overwhelm our glorious Revolution with their false masses, but they are wrong!

It is because of these false against, sent by the UDL, TITO, and even the justly exiled bourgeoisie, that the ejections and bannings in The South Pacific are justified. Indeed, the working class of The South Pacific would lose its greatest warrior, Milograd, should the scheming and deceptive tactics of the puppetmasters prevail.

Some claim that innocent natives have been ejected, but there are none who are innocent. Those without the courage to stand up to the Oligarchs are just as guilty as those who die for tyranny! Should a few bystanders fall so that thousands of patriotic South Pacificans may live in harmony, so be it!

The ejections are just. The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of ejection and banning.


Are posts like these officially sanctioned by Milograd?


Do you practice being obtuse, or does it just come naturally to you?

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