Pollaetorian wrote:I wonder if its because it's WA that gets everyone in a twist. Articles analyzing nation issues, population changes, embassy links, regional political systems etc don't nearly get as much a response.
You're absolutely correct.
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by RiderSyl » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:35 am
Pollaetorian wrote:I wonder if its because it's WA that gets everyone in a twist. Articles analyzing nation issues, population changes, embassy links, regional political systems etc don't nearly get as much a response.
by Onderkelkia » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:38 am
Captain Woodhouse wrote:One wonders how LKE ever amounted to much considering all the ignorance claims they regularly release. Onder claims to be ignorant of his former prime minister Athelstan MacGregor’s doings in NE—even though Athelstan MacGregor disclosed his NE affiliation in his LKE citizenship application and all over NE’s RMB and in the SC. Like Bob Moran, Athelstan MacGregor’s citizenship application conveniently disappeared.
by Arctriul » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:48 am
by Victor Savage » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:08 am
by Onderkelkia » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:39 am
Victor Savage wrote:Bob didn't leave NS, he's busy with exams and hasn't been on.
by Victor Savage » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:44 am
Onderkelkia wrote:Victor Savage wrote:Bob didn't leave NS, he's busy with exams and hasn't been on.
He hasn't been online on the LKE forums since the evening of 22nd April, the day of this announcement. He left no warning or explanation of his impending absence with anyone in the LKE. Then we learn from Sedge's announcement on 27th April that Bob Moran was running an illegal recruitment script.
It is therefore not unreasonable to infer that the events are connected, although equally I don't know his real life circumstances; possibly he decided dealing with the furore in the LKE and more generally would consume too much time. In any case, we have been seriously let down by the running of the script.
by Christian Democrats » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:20 pm
Captain Woodhouse wrote:That player, Oh My Days, was an anti-Muslim troll and a former delegate of Nazi Europe (the predecessor of Nazi Europa).
The guy who knows OMD better than anyone else in the game claims OMD doesn’t dig religion—period. I realize that’s not as sensational as the half-truths you reported, CD.
Captain Woodhouse wrote:Islam natives worked for years to build up their religious and cultural community, all the while believing wrongly that Oh My Days had left for good.
For all intents and purposes, OMD ‘had left for good’.
Captain Woodhouse wrote:Iron Bark, however, is no normal founder. Upon rejoining Islam, he immediately ejected and banned the entire population -- more than 40 nations in all -- and, subsequently, claimed Islam as a protectorate for his home region, Nazi Europa.
Naturally, you failed to mention that I immediately cleared the ban list, unsuppressed posts and unlocked Islam after OMD had his fun and rode off into the sunset again. I’m not stopping any natives from returning.
Captain Woodhouse wrote:Nice destruction image nonetheless.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by Captain Woodhouse » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:53 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:Athelstan MacGregor's citizenship application has not "conveniently disappeared"; that is a pure lie.
Christian Democrats wrote:I could have guessed that he's anti-Jewish too, but how detailed did you want me to get?
OMD, an anti-Muslim, anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, anti-Hindu, anti-Buddhist, anti-Scientologist
Christian Democrats wrote:But, obviously, he came back -- hence, the surprise to natives.
Christian Democrats wrote:I'm sooooo sure they'll come back now that they know the region could be destroyed again at any second.
by Onderkelkia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:11 pm
by The South Polish Union » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:27 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:Captain Woodhouse wrote:
If it's a pure lie, then prove me wrong and produce the application. I've looked everywhere but underneath your wig stand.
I'm not searching through the 1,083 posts of our citizenship applications thread, spread over 73 pages (not to mention those citizenship applications started in new topics rather than in the applications thread), in order to satisfy the whimsical speculations of a Nazi Europa member banned from our forums.
Anyone who is so inclined, and enjoys legitimate access to the LKE forums, is welcome to search for the application, and I'm sure they'd find it if they look scrupulously enough. The other point to be noted on this matter is that Athelstan MacGregor was a member of the LKE's protectorate of Polis before he joined the LKE, so his original application for imperial citizenship may well be on that forum (or alternatively he may have applications on both).
by Onderkelkia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:58 pm
The South Polish Union wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:I'm not searching through the 1,083 posts of our citizenship applications thread, spread over 73 pages (not to mention those citizenship applications started in new topics rather than in the applications thread), in order to satisfy the whimsical speculations of a Nazi Europa member banned from our forums.
Anyone who is so inclined, and enjoys legitimate access to the LKE forums, is welcome to search for the application, and I'm sure they'd find it if they look scrupulously enough. The other point to be noted on this matter is that Athelstan MacGregor was a member of the LKE's protectorate of Polis before he joined the LKE, so his original application for imperial citizenship may well be on that forum (or alternatively he may have applications on both).
So you're too lazy to use Ctrl+F to quickly find a citizenship application but regularly find the time to type out truly prodigous walls of text on this forum?
Stay classy, Onder.
by Kaboomlandia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:01 pm
by Onderkelkia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:03 pm
Kaboomlandia wrote:Great new issue. The LKE ignorance issue is huge.
by Zacherie » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:34 pm
Kaboomlandia wrote:Great new issue. The LKE ignorance issue is huge.
by The South Polish Union » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:02 pm
by Klaus Devestatorie » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:21 pm
by Onderkelkia » Fri May 01, 2015 2:32 am
The South Polish Union wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:How exactly are you suggesting one uses Ctrl+F to find it?
In almost every web browser designed since the mid-1990's, Ctrl+F opens a search bar, which you can then enter text in to search a web page for said text. For example, pressing Ctrl+F on my my computer right now and typing 'Athelstan MacGregor' brings up several results, just as it should on your forum.
by The South Polish Union » Fri May 01, 2015 8:12 pm
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:The reputation of the LKE is not (and never will be) at risk due to something written by The South Polish Union, the proud inventor of 'Schrödinger's FRA Membership'.
by Captain Woodhouse » Fri May 01, 2015 9:59 pm
The South Polish Union wrote:So you're too lazy to use Ctrl+F to quickly find a citizenship application but regularly find the time to type out truly prodigous walls of text on this forum?
The South Polish Union wrote:The fact that you're unwilling to put in the minimal effort to do this at the cost of your region's reputation (or whatever's left of it) despite taking the much greater effort to make so many of your posts dissertation-length is highly suspicious.
Onderkelkia wrote:This assumes that you are searching a single web page. Ctrl+F doesn't search all 73 pages of the citizenship application thread simultaneously.
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:
Athelstan MacGregor did not disclose membership in Nazi Europe in his citizenship application.
Captain Woodhouse, on the other hand, who has claimed to have looked... bit out of character for you to bluff on here, so I assume you completely missed it?
by Onderkelkia » Sat May 02, 2015 2:46 am
Captain Woodhouse wrote:Truth, not piss-poor bluffing, was my aim. Aye, I searched the 14 pages of citizenship applications that date back to ’10, and missed the others combined with the Electoral College topic.
Captain Woodhouse wrote:Greg posted in the SC that he’d included his NE affiliation in his citizenship application, so I was curious. Thanks for locating it, Klaus. Clearly, no NE info exists in the application now. I assume LKE forum admin can edit post content invisibly same as NE admin on our forum. It’s pointless to accuse LKE of post editing, but I don’t believe Greg deliberately misrepresented the contents of his citizenship application either.
Captain Woodhouse wrote:The original argument had nothing to do with a citizenship application, but rather Onder claiming ignorance of Greg’s NE affiliation when he was being vetted for high-level LKE government positions, including prime minister. There’s no doubt in my mind Onder is lying and Greg is telling the truth when he says Onder knew of his NE affiliation long before it was supposedly ‘brought to his attention’. Onder even admits the evidence was readily available in Greg's signature. By maintaining cluelessness, he's thrown Greg under the bus to get himself off the hook and save face in the game. From one of Greg’s NE forum posts, November 2012:
Captain Woodhouse wrote:By maintaining cluelessness, he's thrown Greg under the bus to get himself off the hook and save face in the game. From one of Greg’s NE forum posts, November 2012:
I have not insignificant ties among the Imperialist and Monarchist spheres that I have been using for quite some time now to keep pressure off us and, occasionally, intelligence, that I could use to get us allies. Onder Kelkia in particular, has gone farther than I would have expected for us at my request, while still being unable to give us overt support due to the vehement anti-Nazi rhetoric espoused by the LKE's closest allies.
Captain Woodhouse wrote:Onder has an excuse for every question raised concerning his ignorance of situations that have landed LKE in hot water or potentially could. Bob Moran: LKE interior minister and chief of general staff. Yet again, Onder oblivious to the alleged secret doings of another LKE government member. Doesn’t have clue one about this stuff yet runs damage control and is the main spokesman for the region.
Captain Woodhouse wrote:NE uses stamp recruitment. I don’t know how much my campaign was affected by LKE and TBR illegal recruitment; if funds applied to the campaign were lost on account of it or what. If illegal recruitment resulted in lost funds and new recruits for regions recruiting with stamps, a three month recruitment ban and a couple heads rolling ain’t punishment enough. You dance to the music, expect to pay the piper—even if you’re dancing in your sleep.
by The Church of Satan » Sat May 02, 2015 3:34 am
by Onderkelkia » Sat May 02, 2015 4:13 am
The Church of Satan wrote:Regardless of whether or not the leadership of LKE knew about the illegal script or its use, the region's leadership is responsible for keeping a close eye on the recruitment telegrams in order to ensure illegal activity is not taking place.
The Church of Satan wrote: I might be a bit biased, but I'm inclined to believe that the leadership of LKE knew and condoned the use of the script in question.
The Church of Satan wrote: I mean, the huge increase in the region's population should have at least indicated that something was off. I mean, using a telegram API I managed to recruit 50 nations for a region over the period of about 5 days, but of course that is not a typical result and I was probably just lucky. An increase of several hundred however is far from typical and hardly feasible for any region. So claiming ignorance seems to me a poor effort of having the recruitment ban lifted.
The Church of Satan wrote:It would save a lot of time to just admit "Okay, we did it. You caught us and we've learned our lesson."
The Church of Satan wrote:Unless you have concrete proof that Bob Moran acted of his own accord without your knowledge, then fighting the decision of moderation is an act of futility.
by The Church of Satan » Sat May 02, 2015 4:24 am
by Onderkelkia » Sat May 02, 2015 4:40 am
The Church of Satan wrote:I'm of the opinion that whether or not LKE knew, the region benefited from the illegal activities of Bob Moran, whether it wanted to or not. I would think that your region is being punished for benefiting from it, as opposed to condoning it. The main issue is that LKE benefited from it and that isn't going to change. What's done is done and the region must still be punished for that.
1. Increasing the limit on the number of API script telegrams we could send out for a set period, so we could still recruit but at a slower rate - possibly with a ban on stamps or manual recruitment alongside this.
2. A shorter recrutiment block which would bring the LKE's population back to 300-350 nations or so, rather than below 200 nations, and would not include "proxy regions" which have nothing to do with the region where Bob Moran's illegal activity distorted the population.
3. Allowing the natural process to take its course, which would see the LKE's population eventually decline back to a proper level - if Bob Moran's recruitment was what was making a difference, then its cessation would see a gradual decline set in - the recruitment block merely rapidly accelerates it.
The Church of Satan wrote:The punishment is as fair as it can be
The Church of Satan wrote:and frankly would have been worse if it was discovered that LKE had condoned the use of the script.
The Church of Satan wrote:You should consider yourselves lucky.
by The Church of Satan » Sat May 02, 2015 4:57 am
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