The United Defenders League

[Drop Your Pants]

The United Defenders League has no comment whatsoever on our operation in Christmas except to reiterate what our Chief of the Band has already repeatedly said: This operation has been conducted with native permission. No further details will be provided no matter how persistent Drop Your Pants is in demanding them.

I find the UDL's lack of information on their Christmas raid very disturbing. I suppose a UDL member having a puppet in there giving "permission" might not go over well to the outside world.

Oh wow, Christmas didn't get raided this year. You're welcome TITO, we did your job for you.

Since you claim all TITO do is grief i look forward to the UDL's next step. Maybe a "native requested" refound.

[Cromarty]

Oh wow, Christmas didn't get raided this year. You're welcome TITO, we did your job for you.

Since you claim all TITO do is grief i look forward to the UDL's next step. Maybe a "native requested" secret password

I didn't claim all TITO do is grief, I said they have a history of griefing.

Perhaps you should read more carefully instead of just thinking of 'clever' lines.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

It was meant as a joke and some Christmas fun since update was getting quite boring.

Personally, I enjoyed it. I'm tired of defenders taking themselves too seriously about morality and what not. Plus, now I get to think of neat things to do as payback

Excellent

[Mahaj]

The United Defenders League has no comment whatsoever on our operation in Christmas except to reiterate what our Chief of the Band has already repeatedly said: This operation has been conducted with native permission. No further details will be provided no matter how persistent Drop Your Pants is in demanding them.

I find the UDL's lack of information on their Christmas raid very disturbing. I suppose a UDL member having a puppet in there giving "permission" might not go over well to the outside world.

I find the constant requests for information on UDL operations by people who are often less than friendly to the UDL to be disturbing.

[Cormac Stark]

I find the UDL's lack of information on their Christmas raid very disturbing. I suppose a UDL member having a puppet in there giving "permission" might not go over well to the outside world.

There are good reasons not to disclose which natives have given us permission for this operation besides your conspiracy theory, including that disclosure of any such identities could lead to the natives in question being singled out for griefing during a later raid. In any event, as stated in our earlier response: The United Defenders League is accountable to the natives we're protecting, not to you, and no further details regarding the identities of the natives who gave us permission for this operation will be provided.

[Vladisvok Destino]

I find the UDL's lack of information on their Christmas raid very disturbing. I suppose a UDL member having a puppet in there giving "permission" might not go over well to the outside world.

I find the constant requests for information on UDL operations by people who are often less than friendly to the UDL to be disturbing.

Well if it was only people friendly to UDL requesting information then they'd probably do it on your own boards since that's where they all are.

[Crushing Our Enemies]

I find the UDL's lack of information on their Christmas raid very disturbing. I suppose a UDL member having a puppet in there giving "permission" might not go over well to the outside world.

There are good reasons not to disclose which natives have given us permission for this operation besides your conspiracy theory, including that disclosure of any such identities could lead to the natives in question being singled out for griefing during a later raid. In any event, as stated in our earlier response: The United Defenders League is accountable to the natives we're protecting, not to you, and no further details regarding the identities of the natives who gave us permission for this operation will be provided.

Ok, so you want to protect their identities. That's well and good. Can you disclose how many? Perhaps whether or not they were UDL members? Or even just post some telegrams with no names attached?

[Cormac Stark]

There are good reasons not to disclose which natives have given us permission for this operation besides your conspiracy theory, including that disclosure of any such identities could lead to the natives in question being singled out for griefing during a later raid. In any event, as stated in our earlier response: The United Defenders League is accountable to the natives we're protecting, not to you, and no further details regarding the identities of the natives who gave us permission for this operation will be provided.

Ok, so you want to protect their identities. That's well and good. Can you disclose how many? Perhaps whether or not they were UDL members? Or even just post some telegrams with no names attached?

As has been previously stated, no further details will be provided and I do not personally have the information you're requesting in any case. If any of the natives who support this operation would like to come forward that's entirely up to them, but we have no interest in justifying an operation that has had absolutely no effect upon the region except to prevent what was a nearly certain raid. There is no significant difference between this defense and any other defense except that we are dealing in days rather than minutes or seconds. I will have no further comment on this matter since there are only so many ways to say, "We have nothing to say."

[Scrooger Codger]

You all really wanna do this?

The Christmas of Christmas - Craciun
The Angelito of Ingerasul
The Gustavo of Luz Maria
The Lucia of Inger Rebel

Original nations, been there for 2+ years. Possibly the same guy from login times.

The Evil Empire of Santa is Satan
The Democratic Republic of Christmas Bunny
The 24 Hour Working Cycle of Scrooger Codger (You know my views, which are strange and quirky...)

Been there since before/during Christmas *last year*.

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Almost everyone after that came after the Asgard invasion of Christmas in the middle of *this year*. I assume there are a ton of defender and raider sleepers as a result.

Among those newer arrivals, I count Nisse, Bears of the North Pole (Which is Bears Armed - who is generally pro defender). Jolly Ole Saint Nick (The traditional Santa nation which spread Christmas cheer for the last 4? 5? more? years now. He decided to make Christmas is permanent home. Rumours are the player behind it used to be from Equilism), Dasher Dancer Prancer Vixen and Santa (Well..of course). As real natives based on them *actually consistently* participating in the region for sometime - Check the RMB.

I would also possibly count Liberated Christmas and Christmas King by the same criteria.

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Even before "Scrooger Codger" - I've monitored Christmas for a whole year before - since *before Christmas 2010* (You want evidence?? http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=7114), popping in and out occasionally. I dare anyone to say they know the region better than I do.

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I'll leave you to decide what you want to make of this.

Disclaimer: No one has told me anything. This entire post is gleaned from publically available information from playing NS for a long time.

[Drop Your Pants]

I find the constant requests for information on UDL operations by people who are often less than friendly to the UDL to be disturbing.

Who said i wasn't friendly with UDL? I was out and about with you last Major and it as fun. I just don't approve of some of your policies or past decisions (as i'm sure you don't agree with some FRA or TITO ones) and i enjoy bringing up my issues at every possible moment

[Cerian Quilor]

It was meant as a joke and some Christmas fun since update was getting quite boring.

Personally, I enjoyed it. I'm tired of defenders taking themselves too seriously about morality and what not. Plus, now I get to think of neat things to do as payback

100% agreed with Jakker. My favorite Defenders (except Unibot, who is always worth a laugh, ) are those who don't talk about/talk about very little the self-proclaimed 'moral crusade' part of their work.

[Esternial]

Personally, I enjoyed it. I'm tired of defenders taking themselves too seriously about morality and what not. Plus, now I get to think of neat things to do as payback

100% agreed with Jakker. My favorite Defenders (except Unibot, who is always worth a laugh, ) are those who don't talk about/talk about very little the self-proclaimed 'moral crusade' part of their work.

Then you're going to adore me.

[The Blaatschapen]

100% agreed with Jakker. My favorite Defenders (except Unibot, who is always worth a laugh, ) are those who don't talk about/talk about very little the self-proclaimed 'moral crusade' part of their work.

Then you're going to adore me.

Are you a defender?

[Cerian Quilor]

100% agreed with Jakker. My favorite Defenders (except Unibot, who is always worth a laugh, ) are those who don't talk about/talk about very little the self-proclaimed 'moral crusade' part of their work.

Then you're going to adore me.

Don't see you around gameplay, that much, tbh.

[The Blaatschapen]

Then you're going to adore me.

Don't see you around gameplay, that much, tbh.

Those are the ones you have to look out for

[Esternial]

Then you're going to adore me.

Are you a defender?

Oh Blaat. I knew you were a sheep, but a slowpoke as well?

Don't see you around gameplay, that much, tbh.

Those are the ones you have to look out for

I'm like Agent 47 but with hair and no weapons or any assassination skills whatsoever.

[The Blaatschapen]

Are you a defender?

Oh Blaat. I knew you were a sheep, but a slowpoke as well?

I blame it on the fact that I'm currently very close to RL Belgium

[BeaconFlat]

Oh Blaat. I knew you were a sheep, but a slowpoke as well?

I blame it on the fact that I'm currently very close to RL Belgium

Can't even decide that you're a sheep? For shame. xD

EDIT: Bleh not main nation.

[Cormac Stark]

Statement on the Coup of Osiris

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Leading up to major update on Saturday, December 29, members of the Council of Ma'at tasked with overseeing the protection of Osiris and at least one other member of the Osiran government -- led by Neo Kervoskia and co-conspirators Dalimbar and Biyah -- initiated a plot to stage a coup against the legitimate Pharaoh (Delegate) of Osiris. This coup was successful at major update and those responsible for the coup now hold the Delegacy of Osiris. The United Defenders League refuses to recognize the legitimacy of this rogue Delegacy. We continue to recognize Mad Jack as the legitimate Pharaoh-in-Exile of Osiris. Although Neo Kervoskia has resigned from the World Assembly and it is unclear at this hour whether or not the coup will continue, we stand ready to do everything in our power to assist the Pharaoh and the remaining members of the Osiran government who are loyal to the legitimate Pharaoh to regain the Delegacy and restore order.

As events unfolded just before major update, it was clear from WA movement and an organized campaign to endorse Neo Kervoskia that some type of plot against Osiris was brewing. Because Neo Kervoskia and Biyah have both been longtime and trusted members of Osiris, both holding high office in the region, many did not believe that they were responsible for a coup attempt. Minutes before major update and in an act of what he has referred to as "desperation," Biyah along with his co-conspirators convinced the Kai Repat (Vice Delegate) to order the Medjai Guard of Osiris to switch their endorsements to Neo Kervoskia. In response to this order by the Kai Repat of Osiris a Lieutenant of The United Defenders League also ordered UDL Merrymen to switch their endorsements, though it should be noted that the coup would still have been successful in the absence of this regrettable order and that at least one Lieutenant refused to comply with the order -- potentially risking his career in the Medjai Guard and his citizenship in Osiris in order to do what was right for the region.

There will be some who will say that The United Defenders League was warned about Biyah quite some time ago and should have heeded those warnings sooner than we did. Indeed, we are prepared to confess our guilt that we gave an individual who seemed honestly to have reformed a chance to prove that he had changed his ways. Some will blame The United Defenders League for inadvertently supporting a coup. Indeed, we are prepared to admit that with only minutes to spare and uncertainty in the air the wrong decision was made. The Lieutenant responsible for issuing the order has taken absolute responsibility for his actions and this matter will be appropriately addressed in the coming days.

For now, however, The United Defenders League wishes to promise its absolute and unwavering solidarity with the natives of Osiris and with the legitimate government of Osiris. We will stand with you in reinstating your democratically elected Pharaoh and in restoring order and dealing with the aftermath of this coup, and we encourage all regions and organizations across the NationStates world to do the same.

[Sichuan Pepper]

I would say it is not a coup if outside forces were involved. Undoubtedly forces did move into the region so it is in fact an invasion and not a coup.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I would say it is not a coup if outside forces were involved. Undoubtedly forces did move into the region so it is in fact an invasion and not a coup.

It was orchestrated by high-level members of the Osiris government, so I think "coup" properly described it, regardless of where the foot-soldiers came from. It's important to use the appropriate term. An invasion results from a lapse in security, which would be the fault of the regional government. A coup is undertaken through deceit by untrustworthy people abusing their power.

[Cormac Stark]

I would say it is not a coup if outside forces were involved. Undoubtedly forces did move into the region so it is in fact an invasion and not a coup.

As Glen Rhodes accurately assessed, The United Defenders League is calling this a coup because it was orchestrated by high level members of the Osiran government. However, we recognize that there are raider elements involved and this is probably more accurately described as a coup supported by an invasion. In any case, the sovereignty of Osiris has been grievously violated and we find that appalling whether done by members of the Osiran government, invaders or a combination of the two.

[the Imperial Crown]

I would say it is not a coup if outside forces were involved. Undoubtedly forces did move into the region so it is in fact an invasion and not a coup.

It was orchestrated by high-level members of the Osiris government, so I think "coup" properly described it, regardless of where the foot-soldiers came from. It's important to use the appropriate term. An invasion results from a lapse in security, which would be the fault of the regional government. A coup is undertaken through deceit by untrustworthy people abusing their power.

Specifically, it was orchestrated by the Speaker of the Legislative House, plus a second member of the same house. In addition to this, two members of the Council of Ma'at (The Osiris Security Council basically) also turned on the region.

The Cabinet was duped, and in turn, the UDL was duped. Thus the UDL was used to prop the traitors up and Mad Jack, Quadrimmina (Delegate, Vice Delegate respectively) were ban-ejected.

I was not present when the decision was made during the cabinet meeting, but I have the logs from the Vice-Delegate. And Quadrimmina has released a statement on behalf of the legitimate government.

We will release further information when Osiris has stabilised and when control is returned to the rightful delegate and his deputy.

[KoolKats]

a word comes to mind...idiots.

[Katganistan]

a word comes to mind...idiots.

A word comes to mind: trolling. As in, *** Warned for Trolling. ***