16,999 vs. 1: The DCM

[Acivica]

You guys can continue talking no your own, but I have a forum to build, recruiting to do, and followers to organize. It also looks like fewer people are posting on this thread, so I'll just wrap up my thoughts.

I am very condfident in my plan, and I see no reason for it to fail. Most of the WA will probably be repealed and render the WA pointless. When enough players realize that the WA can no longer do anything the population of WA members will drop, giving me even more power over the WA and causing it to collapse even faster. After that the WA will only be relevant in invading and defending, and so few players will be a part of it that the WA will have to be changed or replaced by Max so my tactics against it no longer work. But that probably won't happen. What is most likely is that the WA will just be stopped for a few years, I'll claim victory and leave, and then my followers will get board and go find something else to do.

Even if I cannot completely stop the World Assembly, I know my strategy will have a larger effect than any other attempt on the WA/UN in NS history.

Once invaders learn my first tactic it will be near impossible for liberations to get passed, and TBR and TBH will be able to invade very large regions and hold them for months at a time. When the rest of NS figures out how the invaders are accomplishing so great feats the WA will implode. A new kind of raiding will emerge, and the WA will grind to a halt. Resolution Writers will be up in arms and will have to join with the defenders for the cause of passing legislation.

Then defenders will learn my second tactic and the WA will instantly become full of more spies, liars and consperitors than ever before, and looked down on by the rest of NS. I do not have any idea what will happen after that, but everyone will remember The DCM and how much grief it caused the WA.

I can't wait until the forum is up!

Good luck with all that, and FORZA DCM!

[Waldreich]

No offense but your plan is based on several HUGE assumptions. Even if you could take down the WA you would be IP banned from the site and the WA would be back online within a few days at the most. Face the facts and admit that you and your plan will FAIL.

[Equestrian States]

After that the WA will only be relevant in invading and defending, and so few players will be a part of it that the WA will have to be changed or replaced by Max so my tactics against it no longer work. But that probably won't happen.

You do realize he (or one of the other mods) could just ban you and your "followers", don't you? After all, he has the code to the game and the banhammer of doom, not you.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that repeals do have to be approved by about 75 regional delegates first. Sure you could get 150 followers to create 75 regions and get those approvals, but that would be suspicious and very vulnerable to even the smallest of raids.

Good luck to you and all that, but I still believe you don't have a chance at "repealing most of the WA".

[Acivica]

So your basic plan is to make the game not fun for people? Got it.

Are you trolling? Seeing that you are a Corrupt Dictator, I'm going to assume you are just being a Corrupt Dictator. Sorry to burst your bubble, but even Corrupt Dictators can not control the actions of the DCM!

[Waldreich]

Galiantus you don't stand a chance against the WA.

[Acivica]

No offense but your plan is based on several HUGE assumptions. Even if you could take down the WA you would be IP banned from the site and the WA would be back online within a few days at the most. Face the facts and admit that you and your plan will FAIL.

The thing I'm not understanding is why everyone makes it seem like the mods are on the side of the WA. I'm sure there are several mods and admins who are not on the side of that awful, tyrannical group.

[Holy Marsh]

So your basic plan is to make the game not fun for people? Got it.

Are you trolling? Seeing that you are a Corrupt Dictator, I'm going to assume you are just being a Corrupt Dictator. Sorry to burst your bubble, but even Corrupt Dictators can not control the actions of the DCM!

Now, now, now, when I run people over with tanks its because they asked me to run them over with tanks. I'm a kind leader.

And DCM? I've only read Gal's last post where he detailed his lolPlan to take down the WA. DCM=His supporters?

[Galiantus]

You guys can continue talking no your own, but I have a forum to build, recruiting to do, and followers to organize. It also looks like fewer people are posting on this thread, so I'll just wrap up my thoughts.

I am very condfident in my plan, and I see no reason for it to fail. Most of the WA will probably be repealed and render the WA pointless. When enough players realize that the WA can no longer do anything the population of WA members will drop, giving me even more power over the WA and causing it to collapse even faster. After that the WA will only be relevant in invading and defending, and so few players will be a part of it that the WA will have to be changed or replaced by Max so my tactics against it no longer work. But that probably won't happen. What is most likely is that the WA will just be stopped for a few years, I'll claim victory and leave, and then my followers will get board and go find something else to do.

Even if I cannot completely stop the World Assembly, I know my strategy will have a larger effect than any other attempt on the WA/UN in NS history.

Once invaders learn my first tactic it will be near impossible for liberations to get passed, and TBR and TBH will be able to invade very large regions and hold them for months at a time. When the rest of NS figures out how the invaders are accomplishing so great feats the WA will implode. A new kind of raiding will emerge, and the WA will grind to a halt. Resolution Writers will be up in arms and will have to join with the defenders for the cause of passing legislation.

Then defenders will learn my second tactic and the WA will instantly become full of more spies, liars and consperitors than ever before, and looked down on by the rest of NS. I do not have any idea what will happen after that, but everyone will remember The DCM and how much grief it caused the WA.

You do realize that this is almost exactly what every single AntiWA person has said since the game began. I also doubt that your approach is original at all. There is nothing you can do that would have a major effect. You can't get the thousands of votes needed to pass the repeals of the legislation and there is exactly zero ways for you to block something coming to vote.

Probably my last post here:

Tell me every way an antiWA organization has tried fighting the WA, and I'll see if I believe you. If my idea has never been tried, the WA doesn't stand a chance. If so, I'll look into the history behind it and make a decision based on that.

P.S. I am not even thinking of changing the game mechanics,(unless Max wants to after I've done my plan) so don't pretend like I am.

[Schrattal]

As a public service, I will deflate the following comments into their actual meaning.

You guys can continue talking no your own, but I have a forum to build, recruiting to do, and followers to organize. It also looks like fewer people are posting on this thread, so I'll just wrap up my thoughts.

I can see I am making no headway, and so I will now attempt to back out gracefully. (Actually, in this respect, I respect that. Few people do, and drag out their farcical arguments until they are read more for entertainment value than for merit. Kudos.)

I am very condfident in my plan, and I see no reason for it to fail.

I am looking at this only from my own viewpoint, and therefore cannot see why I should fail.

Most of the WA will probably be repealed and render the WA pointless. When enough players realize that the WA can no longer do anything the population of WA members will drop, giving me even more power over the WA and causing it to collapse even faster. After that the WA will only be relevant in invading and defending, and so few players will be a part of it that the WA will have to be changed or replaced by Max so my tactics against it no longer work.

Together we shall rule the galaxy as Father and Son. I will undermine the World Assembly by holding the voting system hostage, ruining the fun of all the people who find it more entertaining than humdrum raiding.

But that probably won't happen. What is most likely is that the WA will just be stopped for a few years, I'll claim victory and leave, and then my followers will get board and go find something else to do.

I have such a forceful charisma that I shall rise from the dead at every attempt to stop me, the game will grind to a halt, and my might will prevent the mods from intervening against me for years. I don't know the difference between a plank and losing interest, but I'll eventually stop caring (after several years!) and go find another game to wreck! Bwahahaha!

Even if I cannot completely stop the World Assembly, I know my strategy will have a larger effect than any other attempt on the WA/UN in NS history.

For mine is the kingdom, the glory, and the power, forever and ever.

Once invaders learn my first tactic it will be near impossible for liberations to get passed, and TBR and TBH will be able to invade very large regions and hold them for months at a time.

Once I come up with a plan for other groups to get a hold of (i.e., for me to leak to them), we shall rule the galaxy as Father and Son! (Wait, I already used that one? Damn.... that is to say, I shall be an unstoppable force!)

When the rest of NS figures out how the invaders are accomplishing so great feats the WA will implode. A new kind of raiding will emerge, and the WA will grind to a halt. Resolution Writers will be up in arms and will have to join with the defenders for the cause of passing legislation.

Rather than creating their own communities, or turning off executive delegates (rendering raiding difficult to impossible), they'll have to take up a totally new play style they likely already participate in, in order to pass fake bills! Because people generally take the harder option when dealing with problems... right? Please, bow to me, tell me I'm right!

Then defenders will learn my second tactic and the WA will instantly become full of more spies, liars and consperitors than ever before, and looked down on by the rest of NS. I do not have any idea what will happen after that, but everyone will remember The DCM and how much grief it caused the WA.

I have two tactics, totally, and I totally just telegraphed one of them, but you're probably too dumb to have happened. People will remember us long after we pass away. Spies totally work in NS, where people will divulge all sorts of tactically useful information, especially since it has no impact on how raiding actually works.

Editor's note: Hope this clears things up!

[Waldreich]

DCM=Puppet nations of Galiantus

[Acivica]

Galiantus you don't stand a chance against the WA.

We don't need to hear your opinion twice. If you have something else to add, great. If you're just going to condense your previous post, please don't bother.

[Schrattal]

DCM=Puppet nations of Galiantus

Automated and bounced through a proxy service such as Tor to keep the IP-ban bots from detecting it right away. Votespam.

[Acivica]

As a public service, I will deflate the following comments into their actual meaning.

You guys can continue talking no your own, but I have a forum to build, recruiting to do, and followers to organize. It also looks like fewer people are posting on this thread, so I'll just wrap up my thoughts.

I can see I am making no headway, and so I will now attempt to back out gracefully. (Actually, in this respect, I respect that. Few people do, and drag out their farcical arguments until they are read more for entertainment value than for merit. Kudos.)

I am very condfident in my plan, and I see no reason for it to fail.

I am looking at this only from my own viewpoint, and therefore cannot see why I should fail.

Most of the WA will probably be repealed and render the WA pointless. When enough players realize that the WA can no longer do anything the population of WA members will drop, giving me even more power over the WA and causing it to collapse even faster. After that the WA will only be relevant in invading and defending, and so few players will be a part of it that the WA will have to be changed or replaced by Max so my tactics against it no longer work.

Together we shall rule the galaxy as Father and Son. I will undermine the World Assembly by holding the voting system hostage, ruining the fun of all the people who find it more entertaining than humdrum raiding.

But that probably won't happen. What is most likely is that the WA will just be stopped for a few years, I'll claim victory and leave, and then my followers will get board and go find something else to do.

I have such a forceful charisma that I shall rise from the dead at every attempt to stop me, the game will grind to a halt, and my might will prevent the mods from intervening against me for years. I don't know the difference between a plank and losing interest, but I'll eventually stop caring (after several years!) and go find another game to wreck! Bwahahaha!

Even if I cannot completely stop the World Assembly, I know my strategy will have a larger effect than any other attempt on the WA/UN in NS history.

For mine is the kingdom, the glory, and the power, forever and ever.

Once invaders learn my first tactic it will be near impossible for liberations to get passed, and TBR and TBH will be able to invade very large regions and hold them for months at a time.

Once I come up with a plan for other groups to get a hold of (i.e., for me to leak to them), we shall rule the galaxy as Father and Son! (Wait, I already used that one? Damn.... that is to say, I shall be an unstoppable force!)

When the rest of NS figures out how the invaders are accomplishing so great feats the WA will implode. A new kind of raiding will emerge, and the WA will grind to a halt. Resolution Writers will be up in arms and will have to join with the defenders for the cause of passing legislation.

Rather than creating their own communities, or turning off executive delegates (rendering raiding difficult to impossible), they'll have to take up a totally new play style they likely already participate in, in order to pass fake bills! Because people generally take the harder option when dealing with problems... right? Please, bow to me, tell me I'm right!

Then defenders will learn my second tactic and the WA will instantly become full of more spies, liars and consperitors than ever before, and looked down on by the rest of NS. I do not have any idea what will happen after that, but everyone will remember The DCM and how much grief it caused the WA.

I have two tactics, totally, and I totally just telegraphed one of them, but you're probably too dumb to have happened. People will remember us long after we pass away. Spies totally work in NS, where people will divulge all sorts of tactically useful information, especially since it has no impact on how raiding actually works.

Editor's note: Hope this clears things up!

DCM=Puppet nations of Galiantus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt6rRNANSgI&feature=related

[Aravea]

Quite odd....

[The Corparation]

After that the WA will only be relevant in invading and defending, and so few players will be a part of it that the WA will have to be changed or replaced by Max so my tactics against it no longer work. But that probably won't happen.

You do realize he (or one of the other mods) could just ban you and your "followers", don't you? After all, he has the code to the game and the banhammer of doom, not you.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that repeals do have to be approved by about 75 regional delegates first. Sure you could get 150 followers to create 75 regions and get those approvals, but that would be suspicious and very vulnerable to even the smallest of raids.

Good luck to you and all that, but I still believe you don't have a chance at "repealing most of the WA".

He'd steal need thousands of puppets to pass the repeals. Which he won't.

No offense but your plan is based on several HUGE assumptions. Even if you could take down the WA you would be IP banned from the site and the WA would be back online within a few days at the most. Face the facts and admit that you and your plan will FAIL.

The thing I'm not understanding is why everyone makes it seem like the mods are on the side of the WA. I'm sure there are several mods and admins who are not on the side of that awful, tyrannical group.

1)Half the mods arne't super active in the WA and don't care too much about its going ons
2)The WA is not tyrannical. It literally has jack shit effect on you nation no matter what passes. Worst case scenario you get shifted one category and you have to go through a cycle or two of issues to get it back.
3)If you don't like it don't join it. Don't make a fool of yourself trying to take it down because it won't work and no one will take ever you seriously.

You do realize that this is almost exactly what every single AntiWA person has said since the game began. I also doubt that your approach is original at all. There is nothing you can do that would have a major effect. You can't get the thousands of votes needed to pass the repeals of the legislation and there is exactly zero ways for you to block something coming to vote.

Probably my last post here:

Tell me every way an antiWA organization has tried fighting the WA, and I'll see if I believe you. If my idea has never been tried, the WA doesn't stand a chance. If so, I'll look into the history behind it and make a decision based on that.

P.S. I am not even thinking of changing the game mechanics,(unless Max wants to after I've done my plan) so don't pretend like I am.

I really really do not want to go through the bother because there have been dozens. Try the NS history thread. Someone there might be bothered to look them all up.

[Equestrian States]

No offense but your plan is based on several HUGE assumptions. Even if you could take down the WA you would be IP banned from the site and the WA would be back online within a few days at the most. Face the facts and admit that you and your plan will FAIL.

The thing I'm not understanding is why everyone makes it seem like the mods are on the side of the WA. I'm sure there are several mods and admins who are not on the side of that awful, tyrannical group.

*cough cough* You forgot about Max. You know, the god whose name shows up in every other issue you decide.

You do realize that this is almost exactly what every single AntiWA person has said since the game began. I also doubt that your approach is original at all. There is nothing you can do that would have a major effect. You can't get the thousands of votes needed to pass the repeals of the legislation and there is exactly zero ways for you to block something coming to vote.

Probably my last post here:

Tell me every way an antiWA organization has tried fighting the WA, and I'll see if I believe you. If my idea has never been tried, the WA doesn't stand a chance. If so, I'll look into the history behind it and make a decision based on that.

P.S. I am not even thinking of changing the game mechanics,(unless Max wants to after I've done my plan) so don't pretend like I am.

You have fun with that. Good luck repealing everything that's been passed over the past decade or however long the WA's been around for. You don't stand a chance.

And that's one impressive regional forum. Two members really makes me tremble in my boots. Tell me when you get that number to fifty. Maybe then I'll have a thought that you could have a miniscule chance at minor success by repealing a resolution or two.

@The Corporation: I know. That's why he has no chance. I was pointing out the difficulty of even getting his extremist views to the voting floor, much less passing them.

[Galiantus]

As a public service, I will deflate the following comments into their actual meaning.

You guys can continue talking no your own, but I have a forum to build, recruiting to do, and followers to organize. It also looks like fewer people are posting on this thread, so I'll just wrap up my thoughts.

I can see I am making no headway, and so I will now attempt to back out gracefully. (Actually, in this respect, I respect that. Few people do, and drag out their farcical arguments until they are read more for entertainment value than for merit. Kudos.)

I am very condfident in my plan, and I see no reason for it to fail.

I am looking at this only from my own viewpoint, and therefore cannot see why I should fail.

Most of the WA will probably be repealed and render the WA pointless. When enough players realize that the WA can no longer do anything the population of WA members will drop, giving me even more power over the WA and causing it to collapse even faster. After that the WA will only be relevant in invading and defending, and so few players will be a part of it that the WA will have to be changed or replaced by Max so my tactics against it no longer work.

Together we shall rule the galaxy as Father and Son. I will undermine the World Assembly by holding the voting system hostage, ruining the fun of all the people who find it more entertaining than humdrum raiding.

But that probably won't happen. What is most likely is that the WA will just be stopped for a few years, I'll claim victory and leave, and then my followers will get board and go find something else to do.

I have such a forceful charisma that I shall rise from the dead at every attempt to stop me, the game will grind to a halt, and my might will prevent the mods from intervening against me for years. I don't know the difference between a plank and losing interest, but I'll eventually stop caring (after several years!) and go find another game to wreck! Bwahahaha!

Even if I cannot completely stop the World Assembly, I know my strategy will have a larger effect than any other attempt on the WA/UN in NS history.

For mine is the kingdom, the glory, and the power, forever and ever.

Once invaders learn my first tactic it will be near impossible for liberations to get passed, and TBR and TBH will be able to invade very large regions and hold them for months at a time.

Once I come up with a plan for other groups to get a hold of (i.e., for me to leak to them), we shall rule the galaxy as Father and Son! (Wait, I already used that one? Damn.... that is to say, I shall be an unstoppable force!)

When the rest of NS figures out how the invaders are accomplishing so great feats the WA will implode. A new kind of raiding will emerge, and the WA will grind to a halt. Resolution Writers will be up in arms and will have to join with the defenders for the cause of passing legislation.

Rather than creating their own communities, or turning off executive delegates (rendering raiding difficult to impossible), they'll have to take up a totally new play style they likely already participate in, in order to pass fake bills! Because people generally take the harder option when dealing with problems... right? Please, bow to me, tell me I'm right!

Then defenders will learn my second tactic and the WA will instantly become full of more spies, liars and consperitors than ever before, and looked down on by the rest of NS. I do not have any idea what will happen after that, but everyone will remember The DCM and how much grief it caused the WA.

I have two tactics, totally, and I totally just telegraphed one of them, but you're probably too dumb to have happened. People will remember us long after we pass away. Spies totally work in NS, where people will divulge all sorts of tactically useful information, especially since it has no impact on how raiding actually works.

Editor's note: Hope this clears things up!

Final post on this thread:

Chomp! Go back to the begining of this thread and you will find that I was kind of looking for your kind of attack for use when I actually did something. Yours is golden. I'll be sure to quote this at the begining of my victory thread.

And this one:

The thing I'm not understanding is why everyone makes it seem like the mods are on the side of the WA. I'm sure there are several mods and admins who are not on the side of that awful, tyrannical group.

*cough cough* You forgot about Max. You know, the god whose name shows up in every other issue you decide.

Probably my last post here:

Tell me every way an antiWA organization has tried fighting the WA, and I'll see if I believe you. If my idea has never been tried, the WA doesn't stand a chance. If so, I'll look into the history behind it and make a decision based on that.

P.S. I am not even thinking of changing the game mechanics,(unless Max wants to after I've done my plan) so don't pretend like I am.

You have fun with that. Good luck repealing everything that's been passed over the past decade or however long the WA's been around for. You don't stand a chance.

And that's one impressive regional forum. Two members really makes me tremble in my boots. Tell me when you get that number to fifty. Maybe then I'll have a thought that you could have a miniscule chance at minor success by repealing a resolution or two.

@The Corporation: I know. That's why he has no chance. I was pointing out the difficulty of even getting his extremist views to the voting floor, much less passing them.

[Wisconsin7]

As a public service, I will deflate the following comments into their actual meaning.



I can see I am making no headway, and so I will now attempt to back out gracefully. (Actually, in this respect, I respect that. Few people do, and drag out their farcical arguments until they are read more for entertainment value than for merit. Kudos.)


I am looking at this only from my own viewpoint, and therefore cannot see why I should fail.





Together we shall rule the galaxy as Father and Son. I will undermine the World Assembly by holding the voting system hostage, ruining the fun of all the people who find it more entertaining than humdrum raiding.



I have such a forceful charisma that I shall rise from the dead at every attempt to stop me, the game will grind to a halt, and my might will prevent the mods from intervening against me for years. I don't know the difference between a plank and losing interest, but I'll eventually stop caring (after several years!) and go find another game to wreck! Bwahahaha!



For mine is the kingdom, the glory, and the power, forever and ever.


Once I come up with a plan for other groups to get a hold of (i.e., for me to leak to them), we shall rule the galaxy as Father and Son! (Wait, I already used that one? Damn.... that is to say, I shall be an unstoppable force!)



Rather than creating their own communities, or turning off executive delegates (rendering raiding difficult to impossible), they'll have to take up a totally new play style they likely already participate in, in order to pass fake bills! Because people generally take the harder option when dealing with problems... right? Please, bow to me, tell me I'm right!



I have two tactics, totally, and I totally just telegraphed one of them, but you're probably too dumb to have happened. People will remember us long after we pass away. Spies totally work in NS, where people will divulge all sorts of tactically useful information, especially since it has no impact on how raiding actually works.

Editor's note: Hope this clears things up!

Final post on this thread:

Chomp! Go back to the begining of this thread and you will find that I was kind of looking for your kind of attack for use when I actually did something. Yours is golden. I'll be sure to quote this at the begining of my victory thread.

If the day ever comes where you get a victory speech for your defeat of the WA, then I'll... Actually, it's pretty much impossible to think of something as ridiculous as that.

[SunRawr]

Once invaders learn my first tactic it will be near impossible for liberations to get passed, and TBR and TBH will be able to invade very large regions and hold them for months at a time.

Oh god no, that sounds horrendously boring.

(Heh. Post number 666.)

[Schrattal]

Happy to oblige. Have fun storming the castle. I'll be among the first to kneel when you stand victorious.

[Acivica]

Soviet Canuckistan said:
16,999 vs. 1, I like the WA's odds

It's now 17,251 vs. 12. And growing in my favor.

I am Galiantus, founder of The DCM, and warrior against the WA. If you want to join me, I invite you come to The DCM and help me put the WA in reverse.

To supporters of the WA:

Today I procaliam my undying determination to see the WA stopped in its tyrannicaI function, and inform you that I only need 300 active followers to completely halt the WA in passing any more legislation. Laugh if you want to. In fact, tell me I'm wrong. I want every bit of opposition you can throw at me so I can improve my strategy and win. Within the WA's own rules. But be warned... I will quote what you said about me when I hold the WA by the throat.

The WA has apparently lost nations.

[Straka]

The People's Democratic Republic of Straka supports this plan in spirit, but perhaps another path could be taken? Instead of rendering the WA useless (more useless than it already is, if that's possible), would it be possible for the people in charge of NationStates to create a second, alternate WA? Like the Warsaw Pact was to NATO, for instance. A place to go when you dislike the WA's policies, the way it's run and who it's run by.

Though that could result in simply a WA clone, just as inefficient and disliked as the current one...

But it's good to brainstorm, no?

[Frisbeeteria]

would it be possible for the people in charge of NationStates to create a second, alternate WA?

It's amazing that in nine years of gaming, nobody else has ever suggested this. Well, perhaps once or twice ... a month.

[Fischistan]

would it be possible for the people in charge of NationStates to create a second, alternate WA?

It's amazing that in nine years of gaming, nobody else has ever suggested this. Well, perhaps once or twice ... a month.

If I do remember, that was what was planned for NS2, right?

[Frisbeeteria]

If I do remember, that was what was planned for NS2, right?

No idea. I stopped paying attention to NS2 when they started charging mods to use advanced features rather than just comping us.

Back on topic, looking forward to this new method of hamstringing the WA to satisfy one player's dissatisfaction. Should be good!