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Tinhampton
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:32 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:The South Pacific Socialist Republic <3 it lives on.

So... what exactly is the proof that the SPSR is the rightful government-in-exile of TSP?
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Crazy girl
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Crazy girl » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:33 pm

The RRA also had officer flags, wonder if I still have them somewhere....

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Mallorea and Riva
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Benevolent Dictatorship

Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:34 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:The South Pacific Socialist Republic <3 it lives on.

So... what exactly is the proof that the SPSR is the rightful government-in-exile of TSP?

It is the rightful government of TSP, that also happens to be a government in exile. Important distinction.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Canton Empire » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:35 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:So... what exactly is the proof that the SPSR is the rightful government-in-exile of TSP?

It is the rightful government of TSP, that also happens to be a government in exile. Important distinction.

Catch me in TSP, how bout dat
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Mallorea and Riva
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Benevolent Dictatorship

Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:36 pm

Canton Empire wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:It is the rightful government of TSP, that also happens to be a government in exile. Important distinction.

Catch me in TSP, how bout dat

Been there, couped that.
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Crazy girl
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Crazy girl » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:38 pm

Us too, never got the T-shirt :(

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Mallorea and Riva
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Benevolent Dictatorship

Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:39 pm

Crazy girl wrote:Us too, never got the T-shirt :(

Meh how long did your coup last? Two days?
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Postby Crazy girl » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:41 pm

It's not the length of the coup, it's what you do with it that counts.......oh wait.

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Mallorea and Riva
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:42 pm

Crazy girl wrote:It's not the length of the coup, it's what you do with it that counts.......oh wait.

The 10 Day Glorious Revolution will echo in the hearts and minds of the minnows of The South Pacific for a thousand generations.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:00 pm

How is it rightful?
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:13 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:How is it rightful?

*looks at the current government of TSP*
I was a better government than that.
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Terror of The Joint Systems Alliance
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:14 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:How is it rightful?

*looks at the current government of TSP*
I was a better government than that.

It was a government founded on the idea that influence was the means of production, that 'minnows' somehow needed a redistribution (when any "minnow" could have full rights by simply doing the basic work required to acquire ownership in the region) and spent its whole time decrying forums... and then set up a forum.

It was one giant effort by Milograd to troll TSP.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:23 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:*looks at the current government of TSP*
I was a better government than that.

It was a government founded on the idea that influence was the means of production, that 'minnows' somehow needed a redistribution (when any "minnow" could have full rights by simply doing the basic work required to acquire ownership in the region) and spent its whole time decrying forums... and then set up a forum.

It was one giant effort by Milograd to troll TSP.

The forum was actually not meant to be a forum, it was an intelligence ploy. I'm not sure how effective it was, but we were intending on inviting in several members of regions who were pretending to support us (but who we knew were not on our side) and letting them see certain private areas of the forum. In those areas we had fake logs from individuals who were in enemy region/the old govt which seemed to indicate that they were on our side. Our hope was to create confusion and mistrust within the ranks of our enemies and cause infighting. Obviously after ten days we lost the delegate seat, and I'm not sure how far into that intelligence stunt we got, but if the coup had lasted longer it would have gotten even more interesting.
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Retired Major of The Black Hawks
Retired Charter Nation: Political Affairs in Antarctic Oasis
Retired Colonel of DEN Central Command, now defunct
Former Delegate of The South Pacific, winner of TSP's "Best Dali" Award
Retired Secretary of Defense of Stargate
Terror of The Joint Systems Alliance
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Cerian Quilor
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:37 pm

I still don't consider an attempt to troll NS with misapplied communist propaganda (again, influence was hardly the means of production and there wasn't much Milo could do to redistribute it) qualifies as a real government. What exactly was Milograd trying to do?
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Mallorea and Riva
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:41 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:I still don't consider an attempt to troll NS with misapplied communist propaganda (again, influence was hardly the means of production and there wasn't much Milo could do to redistribute it) qualifies as a real government. What exactly was Milograd trying to do?

You'd have to ask Milo that, I wouldn't presume to speak for him.
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Retired Major of The Black Hawks
Retired Charter Nation: Political Affairs in Antarctic Oasis
Retired Colonel of DEN Central Command, now defunct
Former Delegate of The South Pacific, winner of TSP's "Best Dali" Award
Retired Secretary of Defense of Stargate
Terror of The Joint Systems Alliance
Mall Isaraider, son of Tram and Spartz, Brother of Tal and apparently Sev the treacherous bastard.
Frattastan quote of the month: Mall is following those weird beef-only diets now.

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Drop Your Pants » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:42 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:What exactly was Milograd trying to do?

Have fun I believe was his intention.
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Cerian Quilor
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:46 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:What exactly was Milograd trying to do?

Have fun I believe was his intention.

Pretty much. he wasn't trying to actually set up any real government. Sooner or later he'd have gotten bored... or handed his nation over to the NPO, I suppose, going by the later Lazarus affair.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Unibot III » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:56 pm

Crazy girl wrote:The RRA also had officer flags, wonder if I still have them somewhere....


I've got a copy of one of them (maybe? See below), but yeah those are missing.

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Officers Flags:
High Command (Missing)
Commander (Missing)
Captain (Missing)

Under Officers Flags & Platoons:

Alpha

Sergeant Platoon Alpha (Maybe recovered?)
Platoon Alpha (Recovered)

Beta

Sergeant Platoon Beta (Missing)
Platoon Beta (Recovered)

Gamma

Sergeant Platoon Gamma (Missing)
Platoon Gamma (Imitation Available)

Recruitment

RRE Trainees. (Missing)
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Ex-Nation

Postby RMS Carpathia » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:55 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
RMS Carpathia wrote:I saw the counter was close and waited until it hit 4,999,999 before creating the nation. When I refreshed the page afterwards it said 5,000,000.

Pics or it didn't happen.

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Mallorea and Riva
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Benevolent Dictatorship

Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:45 am

RMS Carpathia wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Pics or it didn't happen.

Certificate of Authenticity

Image

Well played. Well played indeed.
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Retired Major of The Black Hawks
Retired Charter Nation: Political Affairs in Antarctic Oasis
Retired Colonel of DEN Central Command, now defunct
Former Delegate of The South Pacific, winner of TSP's "Best Dali" Award
Retired Secretary of Defense of Stargate
Terror of The Joint Systems Alliance
Mall Isaraider, son of Tram and Spartz, Brother of Tal and apparently Sev the treacherous bastard.
Frattastan quote of the month: Mall is following those weird beef-only diets now.

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Mallorea and Riva
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Benevolent Dictatorship

Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:39 pm

Here's hoping it's a coup in Laz! I'm sure I'll be disappointed though.
Ideological Bulwark #253
Retired Major of The Black Hawks
Retired Charter Nation: Political Affairs in Antarctic Oasis
Retired Colonel of DEN Central Command, now defunct
Former Delegate of The South Pacific, winner of TSP's "Best Dali" Award
Retired Secretary of Defense of Stargate
Terror of The Joint Systems Alliance
Mall Isaraider, son of Tram and Spartz, Brother of Tal and apparently Sev the treacherous bastard.
Frattastan quote of the month: Mall is following those weird beef-only diets now.

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Ex-Nation

Postby Funkadelia » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:44 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Here's hoping it's a coup in Laz! I'm sure I'll be disappointed though.

I think you will. :P
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sygian II » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:48 pm

3 minutes ago: The Almighty Nation of Shreks Swampland was refounded.
39 minutes ago: Embassy established between Wintercrest and Lazarus.
39 minutes ago: The Perseverence of Loftegen replaced The Mothership of Kowassati as WA Delegate.


All three of these events lining up? Can't be a coincidence.
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Mallorea and Riva
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Benevolent Dictatorship

Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:56 pm

Funkadelia wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Here's hoping it's a coup in Laz! I'm sure I'll be disappointed though.

I think you will. :P

You make me sad. All of this just to generate a little buzz around Laz?
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Retired Major of The Black Hawks
Retired Charter Nation: Political Affairs in Antarctic Oasis
Retired Colonel of DEN Central Command, now defunct
Former Delegate of The South Pacific, winner of TSP's "Best Dali" Award
Retired Secretary of Defense of Stargate
Terror of The Joint Systems Alliance
Mall Isaraider, son of Tram and Spartz, Brother of Tal and apparently Sev the treacherous bastard.
Frattastan quote of the month: Mall is following those weird beef-only diets now.

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Ex-Nation

Postby Funkadelia » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:02 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Funkadelia wrote:I think you will. :P

You make me sad. All of this just to generate a little buzz around Laz?

You're the ones who care by pretending to not care at all.
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Proscribed TWICE by The South Pacific


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SC#161
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