PASSED: Condemn NAZI EUROPE (TNEP - Part 1)

[Just Guy]

Is this alright?

The mythological RL ideology of Nazism, which NAZI EUROPE supports, includes the genocide of ethnic groups, disabled, and other populations. On the other hand, the mythological RL ideology of communism does not support mass-killings -- some of its applications do, however. We therefore believe that regions supporting the mythological Nazi ideology are condemnable.

However, we do realise that retaining SC#3 is not feasible, as the repetitive repeals are wasting too much of the Security Council's time. Therefore, we support this condemnation and the subsequent repeal.

[Laos Refugees]

Is this alright?

The mythological RL ideology of Nazism, which NAZI EUROPE supports, includes the genocide of ethnic groups, disabled, and other populations. On the other hand, the mythological RL ideology of communism does not support mass-killings -- some of its applications do, however. We therefore believe that regions supporting the mythological Nazi ideology are condemnable.

However, we do realise that retaining SC#3 is not feasible, as the repetitive repeals are wasting too much of the Security Council's time. Therefore, we support this condemnation and the subsequent repeal.

We don't study a myth called Nazism, don't know what you're on about. We don't support Nazism, we support National Socialism.

[Just Guy]

Haven't we already been through this? There is no bloody difference.

[Unibot]

Is this alright?

The mythological RL ideology of Nazism, which NAZI EUROPE supports, includes the genocide of ethnic groups, disabled, and other populations. On the other hand, the mythological RL ideology of communism does not support mass-killings -- some of its applications do, however. We therefore believe that regions supporting the mythological Nazi ideology are condemnable.

However, we do realise that retaining SC#3 is not feasible, as the repetitive repeals are wasting too much of the Security Council's time. Therefore, we support this condemnation and the subsequent repeal.

We don't study a myth called Nazism, don't know what you're on about. We don't support Nazism, we support National Socialism.

I think what is going is, you're genuinely confused about the difference between National Socialism and Nazism -- the latter being more specific to the Jew-hating variety that Hitler made. Nazism is sort of a version (perhaps even a distortion) of National Socialism, like Maoism or Stalinism is a variant of communism. Essentially, Nazism is National Socialism's Hiterlism. Because I think you're genuinely confused, I don't think the World Assembly should hold you to it.

[Laos Refugees]

:rofl:

Haven't we already been through this? There is no bloody difference.

Ah, yes, it is most hilarious is it not? I can not be blamed for you not knowing the difference. National Socialism and Nazism are different, just like National Bolshevism is NOT National Communism. I really have no wish to argue with you, as it is plainly obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
And to Unibot, are you calling me confused? I no what I'm talking about, more so then this Just Guy character.

[Reseda Island]

how can you condemn them again?

[Pythria]

By proposing another condemnation, then having the majority vote in favor.

[Reseda Island]

and that doesnt sound remotely wrong to anyone?

[Unibot]

:rofl:

Haven't we already been through this? There is no bloody difference.

Ah, yes, it is most hilarious is it not? I can not be blamed for you not knowing the difference. National Socialism and Nazism are different, just like National Bolshevism is NOT National Communism. I really have no wish to argue with you, as it is plainly obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
And to Unibot, are you calling me confused? I no what I'm talking about, more so then this Just Guy character.

You're correct, there is a difference between National Socialism and Nazism. So, if you wanted to be associated with National Socialism (as you state here --> "We don't support Nazism, we support National Socialism.") , then why did you name your region, NAZI EUROPE instead of NATIONAL SOCIALIST EUROPE or some variation thereof?

If you named your region, Stalinist Russia or Maoist China, and we condemned you for your association with Stalinism or Maoism.. it would be sort of funny to derail the whole conversation by stating that you actually don't want to be associated with either Stalinism or Maoism, in fact you just want to be associated with Communism.

[Laos Refugees]

Ah, yes, it is most hilarious is it not? I can not be blamed for you not knowing the difference. National Socialism and Nazism are different, just like National Bolshevism is NOT National Communism. I really have no wish to argue with you, as it is plainly obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
And to Unibot, are you calling me confused? I no what I'm talking about, more so then this Just Guy character.

You're correct, there is a difference between National Socialism and Nazism. So, if you wanted to be associated with National Socialism (as you state here --> "We don't support Nazism, we support National Socialism.") , then why did you name your region, NAZI EUROPE instead of NATIONAL SOCIALIST EUROPE or some variation thereof?

Because I'm not the founder? Obviously, I did not name it. A founder who can't even run it did. So he entrusted the delegate to be the leader, I have made it into National Socialist Europe, by all means, that is what it is. Before you ask, no, we will not simply be forced to leave and found a region named so. The Founder may have wanted it to be a Nazism region, but he gave up that right when he decided he couldn't run it.

[Unibot]

You're correct, there is a difference between National Socialism and Nazism. So, if you wanted to be associated with National Socialism (as you state here --> "We don't support Nazism, we support National Socialism.") , then why did you name your region, NAZI EUROPE instead of NATIONAL SOCIALIST EUROPE or some variation thereof?

Because I'm not the founder? Obviously, I did not name it. A founder who can't even run it did. So he entrusted the delegate to be the leader, I have made it into National Socialist Europe, by all means, that is what it is. Before you ask, no, we will not simply be forced to leave and found a region named so. The Founder may have wanted it to be a Nazism region, but he gave up that right when he decided he couldn't run it.

A perfectly decent argument for a repeal of SC#3 because that proposal requires your region to support Nazism for it to be logically sound. However, your admittance that the region is separate in ideology from Nazism does not defend itself from the articles of this currently passing condemnation.

[All Good People]

I'm concerned that the existence of yet-another-condemnation, should somehow result in repeal of the first. Being worthy of a second condemnation does not absolve the target of the first condemnation.

Mind you, I have no objections to multiple-condemnations or commendations as long as they target different issues.

[Laos Refugees]

Because I'm not the founder? Obviously, I did not name it. A founder who can't even run it did. So he entrusted the delegate to be the leader, I have made it into National Socialist Europe, by all means, that is what it is. Before you ask, no, we will not simply be forced to leave and found a region named so. The Founder may have wanted it to be a Nazism region, but he gave up that right when he decided he couldn't run it.

A perfectly decent proposal for a repeal of SC#3 because that proposal requires your region to support Nazism for it to be logically sound. However, your admittance that the region is separate in ideology from Nazism does not defend itself from the articles of the currently passing repeal.

I believe you refer to the condemnation, not the repeal. You're right, there is nothing I can do to change history, except make it clear that that Nazi Europe no longer exists. And also point out that my actions on the forums do not warrant as reasons on why NAZI EUROPE should be condemned.

[Unibot]

A perfectly decent proposal for a repeal of SC#3 because that proposal requires your region to support Nazism for it to be logically sound. However, your admittance that the region is separate in ideology from Nazism does not defend itself from the articles of the currently passing repeal.

I believe you refer to the condemnation, not the repeal.

Yes. My mistake.

You're right, there is nothing I can do to change history, except make it clear that that Nazi Europe no longer exists. And also point out that my actions on the forums do not warrant as reasons on why NAZI EUROPE should be condemned.

(1) You're not the only one whose actions have been included in the resolution, perhaps all your region's members would like to indiviudally state that their actions should not be taken as represenative of the region as a whole? (2) You're the delegate of the region, whether you like it or not, your regional mates have decided that you're fit to represent the region .. which if we look at your roleplayed history, speaks volumes about your region-mates -- if this was an isolated incident, I would be less inclined to condemn, but Oh My Days also had a particularly questionable history.

[Laos Refugees]

(1) You're not the only one whose actions have been included in the roleplay section, perhaps all your region's members would like to indiviudally state that their actions should not be taken as represenative of the region as a whole? (2) You're the delegate of the region, whether you like it or not, your regional mates have decided that you're fit to represent the region .. which if we look at your roleplayed history, speaks volumes about your region-mates -- if this was an isolated incident, I would be less inclined to condemn, but Oh My Days also had a particularly questionable history.

Ah yes, eye rolling, how pathetic, even in emoticon form. Even if it were true that my members RPd in N.Es name, it is not included in the condemnation, all I see is regions claimed by O.M.D a long time ago, a few bullets about me, and then one about a troll starting to get us to wage with the pacific. My region mates did no decide I was fit to rule the region, that would've been O.M.D, who put be as his replacement. There is no democracy in our region, and if you believe that is something you should condemn us for, then maybe you should have added that, instead of wasting time about regions that were small as small gets being taken over. All my R.P history has nothing to do with the region. Really, it's sad this condemnation has to go through all my posts to find dirt on me, like I've said before, if you're going to go through the effort to find dig this deep, you should just condemn me instead. But whatever gets you off, I suppose.

[Unibot]

(1) You're not the only one whose actions have been included in the roleplay section, perhaps all your region's members would like to indiviudally state that their actions should not be taken as represenative of the region as a whole? (2) You're the delegate of the region, whether you like it or not, your regional mates have decided that you're fit to represent the region .. which if we look at your roleplayed history, speaks volumes about your region-mates -- if this was an isolated incident, I would be less inclined to condemn, but Oh My Days also had a particularly questionable history.

Ah yes, eye rolling, how pathetic, even in emoticon form. Even if it were true that my members RPd in N.Es name, it is not included in the condemnation, all I see is regions claimed by O.M.D a long time ago, a few bullets about me, and then one about a troll starting to get us to wage with the pacific. My region mates did no decide I was fit to rule the region, that would've been O.M.D, who put be as his replacement. There is no democracy in our region, and if you believe that is something you should condemn us for, then maybe you should have added that, instead of wasting time about regions that were small as small gets being taken over. All my R.P history has nothing to do with the region. Really, it's sad this condemnation has to go through all my posts to find dirt on me, like I've said before, if you're going to go through the effort to find dig this deep, you should just condemn me instead. But whatever gets you off, I suppose.

Your regional mates can still overthrow you if they like, you require endorsements to be delegate. Have there been any recent attempts to coup the region? Or is your region contented with being delegated by a genocidal nation?

I'll note some general dissidence in the era of Oh My Days ^[1]. Which Oh My Days generally kept a stern leash on.

[Laos Refugees]

Ah yes, eye rolling, how pathetic, even in emoticon form. Even if it were true that my members RPd in N.Es name, it is not included in the condemnation, all I see is regions claimed by O.M.D a long time ago, a few bullets about me, and then one about a troll starting to get us to wage with the pacific. My region mates did no decide I was fit to rule the region, that would've been O.M.D, who put be as his replacement. There is no democracy in our region, and if you believe that is something you should condemn us for, then maybe you should have added that, instead of wasting time about regions that were small as small gets being taken over. All my R.P history has nothing to do with the region. Really, it's sad this condemnation has to go through all my posts to find dirt on me, like I've said before, if you're going to go through the effort to find dig this deep, you should just condemn me instead. But whatever gets you off, I suppose.

Your regional mates can still overthrow you if they like, you require endorsements to be delegate. Have there been any recent attempts to coup the region? Or is your region contented with being delegated by a genocidal nation?

They can try, however, I will simply contact the founder and have that reversed. They would do no such thing. Just because there isn't democracy, doesn't mean they are not happy. I am friends with the whole of my region, when they have a issue with another, I help them resolve it, I am no dictator, and I am definitely not a genocidal nation, which I find amusing, to say the least.

[Unibot]

Your regional mates can still overthrow you if they like, you require endorsements to be delegate. Have there been any recent attempts to coup the region? Or is your region contented with being delegated by a genocidal nation?

They can try, however, I will simply contact the founder and have that reversed. They would do no such thing. Just because there isn't democracy, doesn't mean they are not happy. I am friends with the whole of my region, when they have a issue with another, I help them resolve it, I am no dictator, and I am definitely not a genocidal nation, which I find amusing, to say the least.

You're not a genocidal nation, sorry, I mixed you up with another nation. However, (1) You're a hostile nation that often targets communist nations on the basis of their ideology, (2) You are a dictator, your peoples may have political freedoms and you may demonstrate esteem interest in your colleagues' concerns but you only do so because you permit it -- it thus begs to question if the will of the people and your own judgment were to clash, who would come out victorious?

Do you deny the first charge? And second, please explain how you're not a dictator? Because thus far you have only illustrated to me why you are a benevolent dictator.

[Laos Refugees]

They can try, however, I will simply contact the founder and have that reversed. They would do no such thing. Just because there isn't democracy, doesn't mean they are not happy. I am friends with the whole of my region, when they have a issue with another, I help them resolve it, I am no dictator, and I am definitely not a genocidal nation, which I find amusing, to say the least.

You're not a genocidal nation, sorry, I mixed you up with another nation. However, (1) You're a hostile nation that often targets communist nations on the basis of their ideology, (2) You are a dictator, your peoples may have political freedoms and you may demonstrate esteem interest in your colleagues' concerns but you only do so because you permit it -- it thus begs to question if the will of the people and your own judgment were to clash, who would come out victorious?

Do you deny the first charge? And second, please explain how you're not a dictator? Because thus far you have only illustrated to me why you are a benevolent dictator.

Indeed, I do target Communists aggressively, just as they have targeted my region aggressively. To honest, I can not tell you if it was NAZI EUROPE that started it or a Communist region, it matters little, however. I do what I need to, as if I was to let them come into my region to debate, we would have nothing but threats and insults thrown by both sides, I have little desire for mod intervention in my region. Yes, I am a dictator, truly, amazing, isn't it? I have a cabinet of course, who do what they need to do, but they are appointed by myself, recruiters, spies, etc are all appointed by me or their respected commander. I have yet to have problems threatening my rule as delegate of the leader, the worst I've seen my nations is when members from T.G.G.R hop over to insult us, making my members insult them back, or, small feuds between other members of the region, whom I can easily separate without worry. If a revolt actually works and I cannot contact the founder, then I will happily go elsewhere, for it would be clear I am not welcome.

[Kalibarr]

To be honest, this seems like a list of stuff anyone and anyone who has resided in nazi europe has done.In my opinion a region should be condemned for actions taken by it's government and/or community as a whole. For many of these Nazi Europe, cannot be held responsible, for several two reasons, the government/offsite community may not be aware of the actions of some individuals, like on the onsite forums, if someone from my region said that all of Qwendra was uniting to destroy all the monarchies of the world and created some kind of big mess I wouldn't know what was going on. Another reason why would be I cannot physically control people, I can advise, I can even order those in my regions military but if someone doesn't want to listen to me I can't force them to do or not do something. Yes I can eject and ban them and I can block them from my regions forum, but even these won't really stop them, they'd just create legal problems for me. I'd have a hard time justifying the banning someone over something they said on a forum or a WA proposal they put forth. To do so would be the act of a dictator, abuse of my power, the WA is supposed the spread interregional peace and goodwill, not spread it at the expense of intraregional peace and goodwill.

[Unibot]

You're not a genocidal nation, sorry, I mixed you up with another nation. However, (1) You're a hostile nation that often targets communist nations on the basis of their ideology, (2) You are a dictator, your peoples may have political freedoms and you may demonstrate esteem interest in your colleagues' concerns but you only do so because you permit it -- it thus begs to question if the will of the people and your own judgment were to clash, who would come out victorious?

Do you deny the first charge? And second, please explain how you're not a dictator? Because thus far you have only illustrated to me why you are a benevolent dictator.

Indeed, I do target Communists aggressively, just as they have targeted my region aggressively. To honest, I can not tell you if it was NAZI EUROPE that started it or a Communist region, it matters little, however. I do what I need to, as if I was to let them come into my region to debate, we would have nothing but threats and insults thrown by both sides,

So you admit that your region has taken a strictly non-communist position, and has a delegate that activity attacks communists via roleplay?

I have little desire for mod intervention in my region.

I don't see how your philosophy on moderation is relevant here.

Yes, I am a dictator, truly, amazing, isn't it? I have a cabinet of course, who do what they need to do, but they are appointed by myself, recruiters, spies, etc are all appointed by me or their respected commander. I have yet to have problems threatening my rule as delegate of the leader, the worst I've seen my nations is when members from T.G.G.R hop over to insult us, making my members insult them back, or, small feuds between other members of the region, whom I can easily separate without worry. If a revolt actually works and I cannot contact the founder, then I will happily go elsewhere, for it would be clear I am not welcome

.

So then we can safely assume that your region -- in general -- agrees with your polices, are else we'd be condemning you for oppressing the members of NAZI EUROPE, and laughing as all of the members of the region voted with their feet and left your region.

[Metania]

However, we do realise that retaining SC#3 is not feasible, as the repetitive repeals are wasting too much of the Security Council's time. Therefore, we support this condemnation and the subsequent repeal.

Yes, I think we can all agree that removing SC #3 should save the SC a lot of time. Plus there will remain this condemnation at the same time. Thus we can move on to other pressing issues.

[Flemingovia]

However, we do realise that retaining SC#3 is not feasible, as the repetitive repeals are wasting too much of the Security Council's time. Therefore, we support this condemnation and the subsequent repeal.

Yes, I think we can all agree that removing SC #3 should save the SC a lot of time. Plus there will remain this condemnation at the same time. Thus we can move on to other pressing issues.

The fact that there are a few vocal individuals determined to steamroller through a repeal of SC#3 by repeating the attempt over and over and over again if necessary seems to me insufficient reason to accede to their demands. Bowing to this sort of pressure diminishes this chamber

[Metania]

Where were you when we were fighting it out with Rule 4, then?

[Unibot]

Yes, I think we can all agree that removing SC #3 should save the SC a lot of time. Plus there will remain this condemnation at the same time. Thus we can move on to other pressing issues.

The fact that there are a few vocal individuals determined to steamroller through a repeal of SC#3 by repeating the attempt over and over and over again if necessary seems to me insufficient reason to accede to their demands. Bowing to this sort of pressure diminishes this chamber

I think "few vocal individuals" is a little unfair in its rhetoric, most authors in the SC and many of the newer generation of GA authors support a repeal, I think the situation of SC#3 involves a conflict between two equally moderate sized groups of individuals who have been clashing on this issue for a long time, and the one group (the pro-SC#3) has had the upper-hand because it controls most of the voting power in the WA. Not something I'm complaining about, however, just as I agree with you that we should not bow down to a vocal minority just because they are vocal, I also think that simply bowing down to a vocal majority equally diminishes this chamber. The only thing we should be bowing to is our principles and Matt Damon. You've got your principles and I got mine, and I see a group getting labelled with something they don't deserve which goes against my duty as an Author. So long as I am playing this game, I've got a duty to continue to attempt to repeal SC#3, and maybe you think you have a duty to shoot down each attempt... my suspicion is however, that your duty is in fact just inclination. If it didn't make you feel good to continue chastising these poorly-identified-nazis, you'd probably stop once the warm-fuzzy feeling went away. Trust me, the warm fuzzy feeling for these gits left me by the second repeal, I'm here to get a poor piece of legislation repealed, and only that.