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Postby Hulldom » Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:49 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Hulldom wrote:That seems eminently reasonable.

Edit: That any better?

You still say that members must "not prevent citizens from accessing content created by any journalist or news organization except by implementing age restrictions...". Setting age limits for content should be the responsibility of the content creator, not the government.

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Some random intern: That term is used... exactly once outside the definition. I will tell Mister Smith to have a closer look if you remove Article 1 and, in your current Article 2, say instead that "member states may not prevent the reporting of information whose reporting is necessary for the wellbeing of society as a whole," or something like that anyway.

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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:10 pm

“Why is the first clause grammatically different to the other three? It is the only one to be in the form of a sentence, rather than a verbal phrase.”
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Postby The Ice States » Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:12 pm

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Postby Second Sovereignty » Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:18 pm

Hulldom wrote:Member states may not prevent the reporting of information whose reporting is necessary for the wellbeing of society as a whole.


"This is, undefined, and therefore effectively meaningless; the draft is, at the moment, quite brief, perhaps you could utilize the unused space for definitions of such thing as the 'wellbeing of society'."

Hulldom wrote:Orders that journalists or news organizations not be:
subject to civil or criminal penalties for the content they produce by member state governments, or


"What would the impact of this phrasing be on the criminality of, for example, hate speech? Such things must continue to be prosecuted for betterment of society and the protection of the vulnerable from violence, regardless of whether the speaker claims to be a journalist."

Hulldom wrote:Requires that member nations not prevent citizens from accessing content created by any journalist or news organization except by implementing age restrictions to prevent individuals below the age of majority from accessing content inappropriate for consumption by minors.


"Again, we raise the issue of hate speech and other such things - 'journalists' that collate information on minority populations for the purposes of harassment or violence, as a further example. Such things very well should be restricted and removed, by means very different from simple age restrictions."
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Postby Hulldom » Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:39 pm

So new draft, not much has really changed overall, just reworked some things and turned clause 3 into a more...positive statement rather than a negative one. Huge thanks to Attempted Socialism, I do think he helped me crack this nut. Consider this one last push.
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Postby Comfed » Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:58 pm

What's the intent behind 3b?

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Postby Hulldom » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:00 pm

Comfed wrote:What's the intent behind 3b?

Presumably binding someone to a contract, but frankly, if the prevailing opinion it's bad as is, I can either go back to the "not be" version from earlier or just ditch it altogether.
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Postby Comfed » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:03 pm

Hulldom wrote:
Comfed wrote:What's the intent behind 3b?

Presumably binding someone to a contract, but frankly, if the prevailing opinion it's bad as is, I can either go back to the "not be" version from earlier or just ditch it altogether.

I mean, what's the reason for creating an exception for such contracts?

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Postby Hulldom » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:08 pm

Comfed wrote:
Hulldom wrote:Presumably binding someone to a contract, but frankly, if the prevailing opinion it's bad as is, I can either go back to the "not be" version from earlier or just ditch it altogether.

I mean, what's the reason for creating an exception for such contracts?

I can see the...issue with that. Should hopefully be fixed now.
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Postby Istastioner » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:10 pm

Support (in concept at least)

(how long has this proposal been in the drafting stage?)

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Postby Hulldom » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:11 pm

Istastioner wrote:Support (in concept at least)

(how long has this proposal been in the drafting stage?)

Six months. Blame me being in grad school.
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:14 pm

Why not prohibit content that dehumanizes marginalized groups?

For example, a hate group's blog should be prohibited from being included within news broadcasts under this resolution.
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Postby Istastioner » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:28 pm

Hulldom wrote:
Istastioner wrote:Support (in concept at least)

(how long has this proposal been in the drafting stage?)

Six months. Blame me being in grad school.

Oh ... So, wayyyyyy too long.

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Postby Second Sovereignty » Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:43 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:Why not prohibit content that dehumanizes marginalized groups?

For example, a hate group's blog should be prohibited from being included within news broadcasts under this resolution.


"While the draft does not make explicit permission to do so, Resolution #436 makes allowances for the restriction of such, and the draft in question does permit restrictions where otherwise permitted by World Assembly Law."
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:23 am

PPF wrote:5. Requires that member nations not prevent citizens from accessing content created by any journalist or news organization except by implementing age restrictions to prevent individuals below the age of majority from accessing content inappropriate for consumption by minors...

I must once again object to this wording. The introduction of age gates for news stories should be at the discretion of publishers, not the government.

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PPF wrote:6. Requires that news organizations create content warnings for material that may not be suitable for consumption by minors, but notes that the specific implementation of said content warnings is subject to the discretion of each news organization.

A: Does this apply even when age gates are in effect?
B: Would warnings describing the kind of content without making reference to age ("Warning: This story contains explicit descriptions of sexual assault and rape") be permissible, or is that covered under the second part of this clause?
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Postby Hulldom » Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:36 pm

Ever so subtly nudges this so it can be found easily in like 36 hours.
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Postby Chipoli » Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:04 pm

"Full support."
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:27 pm

Props to Hulldom for resolving all my complaints about age-gates in a more than satisfactory fashion, FTR.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:11 am

Support, despite the second co-author being a long-winded pseudo-intellectual.


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Postby Heidgaudr » Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:50 am

Asgeir blows several thick layers of dust off the proposal and wipes away a few cobwebs. How many weeks has this been in queue, I wonder. He looks at the submission date and lets out a long sigh. Bureaucracy at its worst, he thinks to himself as he rolls his eyes.

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Postby Pooblic » Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:14 am

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Postby Gayiyyah » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:33 pm

Gayiyyah opposes PPF because of the following segment:

"not prevent citizens from accessing content created by themselves or any journalist affiliated with them except to prevent individuals below the age of majority from accessing content inappropriate for consumption by minors, and"

Gayiyyah takes issue with this. While we shouldn't be actively shoving certain types of content on minors, age-based censorship is not a good thing, and Gayiyyah must thusly oppose this infringement on the civil rights of young Gayiyyahians.

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Postby New Falkarth » Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:46 am

While we still see some issues regarding this resolution, the general idea of it is good and its definitely better than not having any protection of press freedoms. Therefore we vote FOR this resolution.

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Postby Juansonia » Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:58 pm

Gayiyyah wrote:Gayiyyah opposes PPF because of the following segment:

"not prevent citizens from accessing content created by themselves or any journalist affiliated with them except to prevent individuals below the age of majority from accessing content inappropriate for consumption by minors, and"

Gayiyyah takes issue with this. While we shouldn't be actively shoving certain types of content on minors, age-based censorship is not a good thing, and Gayiyyah must thusly oppose this infringement on the civil rights of young Gayiyyahians.
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Postby Lake Fish » Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:07 pm

Pooblic wrote:The Anti-Christ shows once again its overreach!
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So true!!! its great to see someone talking about the REEL issues!!!
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