[DISCARDED] International Art Gallery

[Fhaengshia]

Glad to see this updated!

Minor note: In 2.b.iv. the all-caps "ART" at the end of the line (edited to be underlined in quote) looks like it's just referring to artwork rather than the trusteeship:

Conserve all active artworks in the PIECE, ensuring they are not damaged or altered during their time in the PIECE. If a piece becomes impossible to conserve for any reason, ART may cancel the outgoing loan and request another piece of ART from the originating nation.

[Thousand Branches]

Glad to see this updated!

Minor note: In 2.b.iv. the all-caps "ART" at the end of the line (edited to be underlined in quote) looks like it's just referring to artwork rather than the trusteeship:

Conserve all active artworks in the PIECE, ensuring they are not damaged or altered during their time in the PIECE. If a piece becomes impossible to conserve for any reason, ART may cancel the outgoing loan and request another piece of ART from the originating nation.

Thanks Fhaeng!

[Thousand Branches]

For posterity’s sake, yes this has been submitted.

[Heavens Reach]

Support and approval submitted.

[Simone Republic]

I am ambivalent on this. I don't think we really need this Gallery (the online one maybe, given what happened to the Brazilians), the second one really seems somewhat redundant although hopefully it won't cost much money.

(OOC: like, there are plenty of galleries in East Manhattan or Brooklyn anyway? How about TriBeCa? Can we rent a dead mall in New Jersey and call it a museum?)

[United Region Alliance]

The United Regions Alliance recommends a vote AGAINST "International Art Gallery" by a vote of 37.37% Against, 37.14% For and 17.37% Abstain (Due to no clear majority this is not a mandatory vote for the Delegates) 16 of 24 regions voted.

[Magecastle Embassy Building A5]

Establish an onsite channel for reporting mistakes done in research or origins of any artworks; All such reports must be investigated and changed accordingly.

"I sincerely apologise to the author for not having brought this up earlier. However, this seems to give the PAINT no authority to reject false or malicious reports. A report that prima facie has absolutely no realistic basis should not have to be investigated by the PAINT, let alone the PAINT actually having to make changes based on said reports -- which 'changed accordingly' would seem to imply."

"As this issue does not directly affect member nations, we will be abstaining when this comes to vote. However, this would still seem to be overly onerous on World Assembly bureaucracy, and something that we encourage the authoring mission as well as prospective voters to take into account."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Colleti,
World Assembly Ambassador,
The Empire of The Ice States

[Foraldn]

Foraldn will support this resolution. International artwork curation is a noble venture that will surely further the goal of international cooperation and peace. Residents of WA member states can look forward to the cultural and spiritual enlightenment brought forth from the experience of master artistry as a result of this resolution.

[Saint Tomas and the Northern Ice Islands]

Establish an onsite channel for reporting mistakes done in research or origins of any artworks; All such reports must be investigated and changed accordingly.

"I sincerely apologise to the author for not having brought this up earlier. However, this seems to give the PAINT no authority to reject false or malicious reports. A report that prima facie has absolutely no realistic basis should not have to be investigated by the PAINT, let alone the PAINT actually having to make changes based on said reports -- which 'changed accordingly' would seem to imply."

"As this issue does not directly affect member nations, we will be abstaining when this comes to vote. However, this would still seem to be overly onerous on World Assembly bureaucracy, and something that we encourage the authoring mission as well as prospective voters to take into account."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Colleti,
World Assembly Ambassador,
The Empire of The Ice States

If it's has no realistic basis, then surely a report could be easily investigated as being false? If someone says "the painting was actually by a unicorn" it only takes a few seconds to fact check that. It's not going to create an overwhelming morass of bureaucracy as you suggest.

-Benji

[Magecastle Embassy Building A5]

"I sincerely apologise to the author for not having brought this up earlier. However, this seems to give the PAINT no authority to reject false or malicious reports. A report that prima facie has absolutely no realistic basis should not have to be investigated by the PAINT, let alone the PAINT actually having to make changes based on said reports -- which 'changed accordingly' would seem to imply."

"As this issue does not directly affect member nations, we will be abstaining when this comes to vote. However, this would still seem to be overly onerous on World Assembly bureaucracy, and something that we encourage the authoring mission as well as prospective voters to take into account."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Colleti,
World Assembly Ambassador,
The Empire of The Ice States

If it's has no realistic basis, then surely a report could be easily investigated as being false? If someone says "the painting was actually by a unicorn" it only takes a few seconds to fact check that. It's not going to create an overwhelming morass of bureaucracy as you suggest.

-Benji

"Not only does it has to be investigated, but the resolution says that it needs to be 'changed accordingly'. It still needs to changed based on someone reporting, for example, that 'the painting was actually by a unicorn', saying that 'all such reports must be...changed accordingly'. Not even an interpretation that 'accordingly' would apply as relating to 'investigated' would save this issue, as it still has to be changed, even if in a manner based on the investigation."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Colleti,
World Assembly Ambassador,
The Empire of The Ice States

[The Web of Life and Destiny]

If it's has no realistic basis, then surely a report could be easily investigated as being false? If someone says "the painting was actually by a unicorn" it only takes a few seconds to fact check that. It's not going to create an overwhelming morass of bureaucracy as you suggest.

-Benji

"Not only does it has to be investigated, but the resolution says that it needs to be 'changed accordingly'. It still needs to changed based on someone reporting, for example, that 'the painting was actually by a unicorn', saying that 'all such reports must be...changed accordingly'. Not even an interpretation that 'accordingly' would apply as relating to 'investigated' would save this issue, as it still has to be changed regardless of circumstance."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Colleti,
World Assembly Ambassador,
The Empire of The Ice States

You misunderstand my use of “accordingly”.

Accordingly is defined as “in a way that is appropriate to the particular circumstances.” If the particular circumstances make it appropriate to change nothing, then nothing is what will be changed.

[Magecastle Embassy Building A5]

Snip

"Fair enough, consider that concern revoked."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Colleti,
World Assembly Ambassador,
The Empire of The Ice States

[Wiskirk]

My opinion is that i want to vote fot the International Art Gallery. I believe that we should put some works of art from an arrangement of countries for not only for the purpose of amazing tourism that could potentially reel in a lot of money, but for the purpose of letting all of our cultures come together into one gallery of art.


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So overall i think this is a great idea and should be voted positively because i like this plan itself.

[Regnum Tyrannis]

Regnum Tyrannis is FOR.

This spread of photographs of industry and pieces of art is exactly what Regnum Tyrannis wants for the WA--a place of ideological and polemical exchanges. Expensive or not, allowing nations and states to interact politically and peacefully is preferable.

Please consider supporting this bill.

[American Rockies]

Perhaps I missed it but I see no compensation for the artists.

[Nouvel Acadie]

Nothing like a world wide violation of Copyright....

[The Web of Life and Destiny]

Perhaps I missed it but I see no compensation for the artists.

The compensation would come in the form of worldwide exposure. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Nothing like a world wide violation of Copyright....

Do explain, I placed several provisions in the proposal specifically to avoid forcing nations or artists to have their art represented.

[Comfed]

Perhaps I missed it but I see no compensation for the artists.

Oh, yeah, missed this as well. Yeah, absolutely against.

Edit: also the consent requirement only applies to living artists, so if you're a dead artist's estate get bent I guess

[Valnistria]

'The Valnistrian WA Delegate: Tayisiya Lyashenko Declares On Behalf Of The Government Of Valnistria That Valnistria Votes Yes For The International Art Gallery Resolution'

[Juansonia]

Perhaps I missed it but I see no compensation for the artists.

The compensation would come in the form of worldwide exposure. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

"Exposure doesn't pay the bills, even if the choosing beggar is a WA committee." - Maria-Fernanda Novo, WA Ambassador for the Armed Republic of Juansonia

[The Ice States]

Perhaps I missed it but I see no compensation for the artists.

Oh, yeah, missed this as well. Yeah, absolutely against.

Edit: also the consent requirement only applies to living artists, so if you're a dead artist's estate get bent I guess

"Combined with ambiguity in several clauses, such as whether 'ART may...request another artwork from the originating nation' means that the ART can bind a nation to provide such artwork, or merely means that the request may be made but does not have to be complied with, this is sufficient to cause us to change our vote to against."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Colleti,
World Assembly Ambassador,
The Empire of The Ice States

[Refuge Isle]

What is the standard of "moral decency" that ART requires for artworks being loaned to the gallery?

[Juansonia]

What is the standard of "moral decency" that ART requires for artworks being loaned to the gallery?

OOC: To be evaluated by the PIECE, without much further instruction, so likely established by PIECE.

[Regnum Tyrannis]

What is the standard of "moral decency" that ART requires for artworks being loaned to the gallery?

Our bombs on your country for offending our God, is what a less patient country might say. Considering how Tyrannistan is a patient member of the international community, we would simply cut trade ties with more unseemly countries that can't fund beautiful, moral art.

The compensation would come in the form of worldwide exposure. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

"Exposure doesn't pay the bills, even if the choosing beggar is a WA committee." - Maria-Fernanda Novo, WA Ambassador for the Armed Republic of Juansonia

How much money do you expect of the WA and her member states? Each nation and state is responsible for their citizens, NOT the WA.
If your tycoons fund your artists, or if you let yours starve, that's on you. Regnum Tyrannis is against any body tyrannizing its citizens harder than it does. We take care of our own and try to lead by example.

The Empire of Regnum Tyrannis continues to vote FOR.

[Brezzia]

"Brezzia is AGAINST this proposal.

Even if PAINT would be helpful in spreading culture among Member Nations, PIECE project creates great concern to us.

The loan system would induce national governments to compete in the acquisition of artworks to loan them to PIECE. This system would advantage rich nations which would gain at the expenses of poor ones. The proposal doesn't say if the artworks must be owned by nations: governments may favorite art merchants and loan their artworks for a percentage. It would not be an illegal or immoral source, but WA funds would be diverted to private owners instead of improving living conditions in Member States.

The vague concept of "reasonable [...] moral decency" would prevent some important pieces of art to be accepted in PIECE (OOC: Courbet's L'Origine du monde).

ART may use the impossibility to conserve a piece as an excuse to cancel loan. I do not understand why it is specified that ART can make request for an artwork in this eventuality.

Finally, why should Member Nations deprive their populations of their masterpieces for such long time (3 years for loans, forever for donations)? The institution of PIECE would benefit only the international World Assembly territory and its residents."