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The Web of Life and Destiny
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Postby The Web of Life and Destiny » Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:23 pm

To be honest, some of these are valid points. If they’d been raised before I submitted, I might’ve addressed them. Now, I’m done writing and I’m happy with the result. If someone wishes to repeal of their own accord, they may of course do so, but that’s life. Problems that are only addressed after a resolution goes to vote simply cannot be addressed at all. I cannot stress myself over problems I cannot change.

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Postby Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:07 pm

The Web of Life and Destiny wrote:To be honest, some of these are valid points. If they’d been raised before I submitted, I might’ve addressed them. Now, I’m done writing and I’m happy with the result. If someone wishes to repeal of their own accord, they may of course do so, but that’s life. Problems that are only addressed after a resolution goes to vote simply cannot be addressed at all. I cannot stress myself over problems I cannot change.

Ooc: To be honest, I had not noticed many of these issues prior to others pointing them out -- largely because I didn't really pay as much attention to this prior to it coming to vote as I should have, honestly.
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Postby The Web of Life and Destiny » Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:11 pm

Magecastle Embassy Building A5 wrote:
The Web of Life and Destiny wrote:To be honest, some of these are valid points. If they’d been raised before I submitted, I might’ve addressed them. Now, I’m done writing and I’m happy with the result. If someone wishes to repeal of their own accord, they may of course do so, but that’s life. Problems that are only addressed after a resolution goes to vote simply cannot be addressed at all. I cannot stress myself over problems I cannot change.

Ooc: To be honest, I had not noticed many of these issues prior to others pointing them out -- largely because I didn't really pay as much attention to this prior to it coming to vote as I should have, honestly.

I don’t blame ya for that for the record. For one, that’s almost always the case (and is especially true with basically every proposal I’ve ever written. God I remember submitting my sex work res like 6 times because people would only comment after I’d submitted. I don’t blame folks for not coming forward with issues earlier, I’m just acknowledging that there is nothing I can do now. Once a proposal reaches the voting phase, it is fully out of my hands.

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Postby Refuge Isle » Sat Oct 22, 2022 9:17 pm

The Web of Life and Destiny wrote:To be honest, some of these are valid points. If they’d been raised before I submitted, I might’ve addressed them.

When you're in drafting, you have a coalition of the wiling who have the time and availability to assist you. When it's at vote, it has to stand on its own, and it becomes seen by the ten to twenty five thousand voters who have to make some kind of decision on the law you're peddling -- most seeing it for the first time. The responsibility is ultimately on the author to conduct adequate research and anticipate potential loopholes or flaws. It isn't too much of a challenge to pass legislation, the difficulty is in a resolution's longevity, and there are an array of valid repeal hooks that shorten this one's.

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Postby Swanbay » Sun Oct 23, 2022 6:21 am

To Be Honest, I do not know why another nation would care about art that is completely irrelevant to them.

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Postby The Web of Life and Destiny » Sun Oct 23, 2022 6:26 am

Refuge Isle wrote:
The Web of Life and Destiny wrote:To be honest, some of these are valid points. If they’d been raised before I submitted, I might’ve addressed them.

When you're in drafting, you have a coalition of the wiling who have the time and availability to assist you. When it's at vote, it has to stand on its own, and it becomes seen by the ten to twenty five thousand voters who have to make some kind of decision on the law you're peddling -- most seeing it for the first time. The responsibility is ultimately on the author to conduct adequate research and anticipate potential loopholes or flaws. It isn't too much of a challenge to pass legislation, the difficulty is in a resolution's longevity, and there are an array of valid repeal hooks that shorten this one's.

I understand that, and I wasn’t arguing against it. The point was simply that I cannot change it now.

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Postby Juansonia » Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:04 am

Regnum Tyrannis wrote:
Refuge Isle wrote:What is the standard of "moral decency" that ART requires for artworks being loaned to the gallery?

Our bombs on your country for offending our God, is what a less patient country might say. Considering how Tyrannistan is a patient member of the international community, we would simply cut trade ties with more unseemly countries that can't fund beautiful, moral art.

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How much money do you expect of the WA and her member states? Each nation and state is responsible for their citizens, NOT the WA.
If your tycoons fund your artists, or if you let yours starve, that's on you. Regnum Tyrannis is against any body tyrannizing its citizens harder than it does. We take care of our own and try to lead by example.

"That quote is in response to a claim that 'exposure' is sufficient compensation for artwork, which it is not. Juansonia actually goes out of its way to fund art. However, if this World Assembly wants to collect art, it has to accept the fact that artists will want financial compensation. Being known by every household does not matter if your masterpiece was stolen." - Maria-Fernanda Novo, WA Ambassador for the Armed Republic of Juansonia
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Postby Philimbesi » Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:40 pm

My right and honorable colleagues, I rise today to cast our vote against this proposal as it represents yet another breach into sovereign WA nations for pointless and inane activities. Also, we warn the parties that are concerned that the image produced by any attempt to photograph or catalog any Philimbesain art will include members of our Interior Department staff making rude gestures to the camera.

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Postby Sepubliccos » Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:00 pm

Morover wrote:"Do you not think that 1a is a tad burdensome on the World Assembly? Between the tens of thousands of member nations and presumably massive amounts of art present in each nation, it seems insane to require that every single piece of art be documented, regardless of merit. While we here at Morover greatly value cultural enrichment programs such as this, we cannot justify the draining of World Assembly funds towards the payment of photographers to photograph even the most infinitesimal or insignificant of artworks."

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Postby Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:31 pm

"International Art Gallery" was discarded by the WA for rule violations after garnering 10,476 votes in favor and 5,689 votes against.
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Postby North Macaronesa » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:43 pm

Magecastle Embassy Building A5 wrote:
"International Art Gallery" was discarded by the WA for rule violations after garnering 10,476 votes in favor and 5,689 votes against.

Wait, what rules did it violate?
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Postby Heidgaudr » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:49 pm

North Macaronesa wrote:
Magecastle Embassy Building A5 wrote:

Wait, what rules did it violate?

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Postby Heavens Reach » Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:02 pm

OOC: Sorry about how things turned out. I hope you will be encouraged by the good showing to continue to draft proposals, and to possibly resubmit a legal version of this draft.
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Postby The Web of Life and Destiny » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:38 pm

Heavens Reach wrote:OOC: Sorry about how things turned out. I hope you will be encouraged by the good showing to continue to draft proposals, and to possibly resubmit a legal version of this draft.

I don’t plan to. Not in the near future anyway. This resolution was already the last dregs of my former WA writer era :p

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