[PASSED] Advancement of WA Diversity

[Praeceps]

A resolution praising the author of SC#284? Let's not and say we did.

[Thousand Branches]

A resolution praising the author of SC#284? Let's not and say we did.

Tbf, the point of the resolution isn’t exactly to praise the authors, although it is mentioned that they’ve provided good examples.

[Praeceps]

A resolution praising the author of SC#284? Let's not and say we did.

Tbf, the point of the resolution isn’t exactly to praise the authors, although it is mentioned that they’ve provided good examples.

I'm aware of the point of the resolution; I'm pointing out a problematic phrase given one of your examples which makes this proposal a non-starter for me.

[Thousand Branches]

Tbf, the point of the resolution isn’t exactly to praise the authors, although it is mentioned that they’ve provided good examples.

I'm aware of the point of the resolution; I'm pointing out a problematic phrase given one of your examples which makes this proposal a non-starter for me.

I apologize, may I ask what you’re actually saying here? I might be dumb but I have no idea what the problematic phrase is that you’re referring to.

[Honeydewistania]

A resolution praising the author of SC#284? Let's not and say we did.

why

[Praeceps]

Whoops. 46 is the problematic author. Not Lenly. Sorry!

[Thousand Branches]

Whoops. 46 is the problematic author. Not Lenly. Sorry!

Ohhhh okay that actually does make more sense. Hmm if I had a better example for NSG I’d probably use it but I’m relatively sure one does not exist. I could also just say no NSG but I don’t disagree with Sedge that it’s a good community to include. Sometimes I think it goes beyond people associated with a proposal for the greater good of the WA. When there are limited examples that only proves further my point that those communities need further representation and I’m wondering if mentioning someone universally disliked matters as much if I can work towards representation of another community. Perhaps I am wrong but I’ll think on it for sure. I’d love further opinions on it as well

[Guess and Check]

While I would personally keep it in despite the author, its very possible having that resolution in may fail the proposal.

[WayNeacTia]

Whoops. 46 is the problematic author. Not Lenly. Sorry!

Ohhhh okay that actually does make more sense. Hmm if I had a better example for NSG I’d probably use it but I’m relatively sure one does not exist. I could also just say no NSG but I don’t disagree with Sedge that it’s a good community to include. Sometimes I think it goes beyond people associated with a proposal for the greater good of the WA. When there are limited examples that only proves further my point that those communities need further representation and I’m wondering if mentioning someone universally disliked matters as much if I can work towards representation of another community. Perhaps I am wrong but I’ll think on it for sure. I’d love further opinions on it as well

I say fuck it. If people are going to vote against it because it lists a resolution that Unibot authored eons ago then they really don’t support the idea in general. All the complaints about it are nothing more than cancel culture bullshit which has zero place in the WA.

[Comfed]

I don’t think “Commend The Cat-Tribe” is very well written in the first place.

[Thousand Branches]

I don’t think “Commend The Cat-Tribe” is very well written in the first place.

If I’m being totally frank here, neither is Codger’s commend. Old resolutions generally are not up to the same great level of writing we’ve cultivated here in recent years. But it does still provide a good baseline, and that’s all I wish to provide with these resolutions at all. And tbh, I don’t exactly have a wealth of options for NSG and Warzone commendations because there’s a grand total of 1 in each category.

[Unibot III]

Why don’t you just write the resolution in a way that doesn’t reference specific resolutions? It seems like you could easily modify the current draft to do so.

That way you don’t have people judging the categories based off the examples available.

(*sternly eyes Comfed’s criticism*: Sedge made it a bitch to write ).

[Thousand Branches]

Why don’t you just write the resolution in a way that doesn’t reference specific resolutions? It seems like you could easily modify the current draft to do so.

That way you don’t have people judging the categories based off the examples available.

(*sternly eyes Comfed’s criticism*: Sedge made it a bitch to write ).

I probably could, but I think it would weaken the product of the resolution in doing so. The resolutions provided are acting as both a very good explanation of the communities I’m referring to and as good resolutions to keep in mind when thinking about how the WA has addressed its diverse communities in the past. I also think the lack of many examples for a lot of communities actually helps my point because it proves that we need to make more and better examples in the future. I’d be very wary to remove the meat and vegetables of what I think is a pretty solid resolution. If one mention of a resolution associated with Unibot (not even a direct mention in any way) is downing a resolution that otherwise has had nearly unanimous support from every individual I’ve spoken to, perhaps that is, in some ways, a massive over-reaction

[Astrobolt]

I will say that I love the idea behind the draft in general and will almost certainly vote in favour if it comes to vote. However, if SC #46 is included, not only will I vote against, I will encourage everyone in XKI to vote against as well.

[Unibot III]

Why don’t you just write the resolution in a way that doesn’t reference specific resolutions? It seems like you could easily modify the current draft to do so.

That way you don’t have people judging the categories based off the examples available.

(*sternly eyes Comfed’s criticism*: Sedge made it a bitch to write ).

I probably could, but I think it would weaken the product of the resolution in doing so. The resolutions provided are acting as both a very good explanation of the communities I’m referring to and as good resolutions to keep in mind when thinking about how the WA has addressed its diverse communities in the past. I also think the lack of many examples for a lot of communities actually helps my point because it proves that we need to make more and better examples in the future. I’d be very wary to remove the meat and vegetables of what I think is a pretty solid resolution. If one mention of a resolution associated with Unibot (not even a direct mention in any way) is downing a resolution that otherwise has had nearly unanimous support from every individual I’ve spoken to, perhaps that is, in some ways, a massive over-reaction

Don’t be stubborn, if citing something I was involved in is going to kill the resolution, I think you owe it to the underrepresented communities (e.g., NSG, Warzones) you’re trying to advocate here to make some accommodation to key voter blocs as necessary.

This isn’t an idealized democracy, it’s a political legislature and sometimes this is just how the sausage is made — I’m understanding of that reality more than most and I’m not offended by the omission. You could also remove the specific example for NSG, but maintain the citations for the other categories.

[Praeceps]

Whoops. 46 is the problematic author. Not Lenly. Sorry!

Ohhhh okay that actually does make more sense. Hmm if I had a better example for NSG I’d probably use it but I’m relatively sure one does not exist. I could also just say no NSG but I don’t disagree with Sedge that it’s a good community to include. Sometimes I think it goes beyond people associated with a proposal for the greater good of the WA. When there are limited examples that only proves further my point that those communities need further representation and I’m wondering if mentioning someone universally disliked matters as much if I can work towards representation of another community. Perhaps I am wrong but I’ll think on it for sure. I’d love further opinions on it as well

You don't necessarily have to cite one resolution for NSG, not necessary to name a specific example to encourage further resolutions in that area. Other options include changing the phrase praising authors.

I'll certainly do my best to convince TNP to vote against based on the singular concern that I have raised.

Side note, in my opinion, I don't recommend taking advice from the author of SC#46, that's probably not helping your case either.

[Thousand Branches]

Ohhhh okay that actually does make more sense. Hmm if I had a better example for NSG I’d probably use it but I’m relatively sure one does not exist. I could also just say no NSG but I don’t disagree with Sedge that it’s a good community to include. Sometimes I think it goes beyond people associated with a proposal for the greater good of the WA. When there are limited examples that only proves further my point that those communities need further representation and I’m wondering if mentioning someone universally disliked matters as much if I can work towards representation of another community. Perhaps I am wrong but I’ll think on it for sure. I’d love further opinions on it as well

You don't necessarily have to cite one resolution for NSG, not necessary to name a specific example to encourage further resolutions in that area. Other options include changing the phrase praising authors.

I'll certainly do my best to convince TNP to vote against based on the singular concern that I have raised.

Side note, in my opinion, I don't recommend taking advice from the author of SC#46, that's probably not helping your case either.

Yeah ya know, I should have thought about just editing the authors clause before, especially because that really isn't the point of the resolution at all. Change has been made

[Tinhampton]

Hereby advocates that the Security Council and all its authors will...

I know that "advocates" is only here to avoid legality concerns but it makes your last clause sound a bit... off, for want of a more formal word

[Common Territories]

To be blunt, the proximity to a GCR delegacy seat dictates the likelihood of being commended, and follows generally in this order:

1. Long serving GCR delegates, the shittier the better.
2. Aspiring GCR delegates. If you’ve farted in a bath tub in TNP, somewhere someone is writing a resolution in your honour.
3. GCR politicians moonlighting as WA Authors, Issue Players, Roleplayers, or Defenders
4. Sycophantic WA Authors whose success depends on their relationship to GCR voting blocs
5. UCR politicians in regions allied to GCR regions
6. Defenders who have supported a liberation of a GCR
….
16. Roleplayers in regions that GCR officials vaguely recognize the name of from the NS World Fair
17. Gholgoth?
18. Some weird Warzone stuff
19. NS Sports
20. NS General

Not really sure where I fall into those categories . TECT I don't think falls into any.

Well I sorta fill the mark for 6, I do for 16, probably 17, and im pretty sure 18. I was a UDL member for a while and did a number of defenses and liberations, though the only one I remember off hand was a place called Iran something we fought over quite a bit. I wasn't anything big there, just thought I had a cool ass latin motto and that's it lol. As for RP stuff, I've been told my name gets around quite a bit (both good and bad), but I honestly wouldn't know how true that is outside what I hear or see while browsing around. I've seen plenty of GCR people know me or heard of me there for example. Pretty sure I've sold tanks to at least 20 different Stalins in the Pacific for example lol. Since I was in the recent symposium, im for sure recognized by at least one random dude in the bleachers I suppose. If im remembered outside that both cheeks are rosy red with humility. Outside that, I had some connections with Gholgoth in the past through some members - fought on their side for that one world war too. But honestly I feel like I only got a commendation because of an wonderful author and the fact im addicted to coming back to this site like a kid addicted to their new phone lol.

[Thousand Branches]

Not really sure where I fall into those categories . TECT I don't think falls into any.

Well I sorta fill the mark for 6, I do for 16, probably 17, and im pretty sure 18. I was a UDL member for a while and did a number of defenses and liberations, though the only one I remember off hand was a place called Iran something we fought over quite a bit. I wasn't anything big there, just thought I had a cool ass latin motto and that's it lol. As for RP stuff, I've been told my name gets around quite a bit (both good and bad), but I honestly wouldn't know how true that is outside what I hear or see while browsing around. I've seen plenty of GCR people know me or heard of me there for example. Pretty sure I've sold tanks to at least 20 different Stalins in the Pacific for example lol. Since I was in the recent symposium, im for sure recognized by at least one random dude in the bleachers I suppose. If im remembered outside that both cheeks are rosy red with humility. Outside that, I had some connections with Gholgoth in the past through some members - fought on their side for that one world war too. But honestly I feel like I only got a commendation because of an wonderful author and the fact im addicted to coming back to this site like a kid addicted to their new phone lol.

Curious, I included your specific commend because I really like the style and the writing of the resolution. However, as a RPer yourself, if you had a resolution you think better embodied the community, I’d love your suggestions ^-^

Hereby advocates that the Security Council and all its authors will...

I know that "advocates" is only here to avoid legality concerns but it makes your last clause sound a bit... off, for want of a more formal word

Fair enough, switched it to “declares” to be on that declaration theme (and mostly cuz it sounds a lot better).

[Unibot III]

Side note, in my opinion, I don't recommend taking advice from the author of SC#46, that's probably not helping your case either.

In fairness to the author, my advice is near identical to your advice, so he can’t follow your advice without following my advice, unless you don’t want him to follow my advice by not following your advice, but that doesn’t make any sense, since the whole point of not following my advice would be to follow your advice.

I’m grateful to see the NSG community represented in the resolution and TOTALLY NOT SATISFIED with the draft (did you hear that TNP/10XI? It sucks! Garbage!! You better not dare pass this!).

[Thousand Branches]

Bumping this for feedback

[Thousand Branches]

It’s possible I’m rushing this, but I plan on submitting this on Friday the 17th if no major issues are noticed in it. That gives folks about 10 days to continue discussion I’d love to hear some more feedback!

[Common Territories]

Well I sorta fill the mark for 6, I do for 16, probably 17, and im pretty sure 18. I was a UDL member for a while and did a number of defenses and liberations, though the only one I remember off hand was a place called Iran something we fought over quite a bit. I wasn't anything big there, just thought I had a cool ass latin motto and that's it lol. As for RP stuff, I've been told my name gets around quite a bit (both good and bad), but I honestly wouldn't know how true that is outside what I hear or see while browsing around. I've seen plenty of GCR people know me or heard of me there for example. Pretty sure I've sold tanks to at least 20 different Stalins in the Pacific for example lol. Since I was in the recent symposium, im for sure recognized by at least one random dude in the bleachers I suppose. If im remembered outside that both cheeks are rosy red with humility. Outside that, I had some connections with Gholgoth in the past through some members - fought on their side for that one world war too. But honestly I feel like I only got a commendation because of an wonderful author and the fact im addicted to coming back to this site like a kid addicted to their new phone lol.

Curious, I included your specific commend because I really like the style and the writing of the resolution. However, as a RPer yourself, if you had a resolution you think better embodied the community, I’d love your suggestions ^-^

I know that "advocates" is only here to avoid legality concerns but it makes your last clause sound a bit... off, for want of a more formal word

Fair enough, switched it to “declares” to be on that declaration theme (and mostly cuz it sounds a lot better).

Well tbh I don't really have too deep a thought process into resolutions considering I was never part of the community period. I've never written one let alone worked on one (the closest I've come is giving research materials for my own commendation), and I've never really taken part in such matters tbh. I've dipped my hand in many fields on NS, but the WA is one I've not touched; even if in the past I've crafted similar legislative documents, they were never in style to the WA uses. So if you ask my opinion it may be more heavily leaning on the RPer side and ignorant on the actual WA legality side. That said, my opinion on such resolutions targeting nations for on RP grounds has typically remained the same: If that player has demonstrated they're a pillar of the community in some fashion, achieved status through effort, or benefited the community as a whole, then either commending or condemning should be looked into as the highest achievement. TL:DR, condemnations/commendations are earned by players like you earn a scholarship or something. Tbh I don't know too highly on the methods of even picking such people outside of names being thrown about - im convinced still my own name being thrown about is what led to my own resolution. But when I was far more active and vigilant, it was clear just by looking around and talking to others who probably earned such awards. People who've shown dedication to the craft, community, have honed RPing as a serious hobby were always people higher up on my list. I don't know if that is still the right approach for veteran RPers, but I at least hope whenever you guys in the WA do go looking to give one out that you follow those criteria when writing such resolutions. When I started taking writing seriously back in the day the number one award was getting a condemnation or commendation from the WA, and 90% of the community had the same thought. So awarding those who seriously put effort into their hobby should be the ones to earn it, especially if their name is popular enough to be heard in other boards on NS. But yea, that's just my two cents on the topic.

[Thousand Branches]

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Thank you, that’s actually super insightful I’ve been trying to reach out into the rp communities around NS for their thoughts on who is and isn’t deserving of c&c and this gives me a lot more hope in doing so ^-^