[PASSED] Repeal "On Abortion"

[Laka Strolistandiler]

And whatcha’ gonna do, fine us? Go ahead, we’ll simply introduce another income tax for our citizens to pay for it. After all, it’s not like the populace will be against of a few bucks taken out of their corner as a payment for their right to live the way they want to live.

"I refer you to GAR #440 "Administrative Compliance Act" in which you can read for yourself all that you need to know, Ambassador. And I can assure you that your citizens' pockets aren't endless."

Ambassador, but one of the main reasons for us to ignore WA resolutions is that the worst thing that can happen is them fining us! We’ve read this resolution multiple times, in fact, we’ve even voted for it (OOC: did it in a different nation that I forgot passwords from)- because it does not mention anything like military intervention. Fines or embargoes are not a thing that we can’t handle, and staying in WA and paying the fines is far more beneficial for us than to leave it, taking into account the benefits that WA membership grants us.

[Daarwyrth]

"I refer you to GAR #440 "Administrative Compliance Act" in which you can read for yourself all that you need to know, Ambassador. And I can assure you that your citizens' pockets aren't endless."

Ambassador, but one of the main reasons for us to ignore WA resolutions is that the worst thing that can happen is them fining us! We’ve read this resolution multiple times, in fact, we’ve even voted for it (OOC: did it in a different nation that I forgot passwords from)- because it does not mention anything like military intervention. Fines or embargoes are not a thing that we can’t handle, and staying in WA and paying the fines is far more beneficial for us than to leave it, taking into account the benefits that WA membership grants us.

"If your government enjoys being punished, then that is their kink to figure out, Ambassador. Judging by your attitudes the fines aren't going to become smaller, but will rise the more you refuse to return to a state of compliance, I wager. No economy is strong enough to endure that forever."

OOC: Oh, and before you continue down the path of playing as a non-compliant nation:

Even so, you are expected to act as if your nation is in compliance with the legislation for the purposes of role-play. One can role-play defiance of the legislation, but be prepared to do a proper job of it or be accused of wanking or godmoding (follow the links for explanations on wanking and godmoding), and possibly derided and ignored altogether. One fairly common and widely accepted method of roleplaying defiance of resolutions is to take advantage of the often ambiguous and/or undefined nature of the resolutions and define certain key terms such that the effects of the resolution are nullified or made negligible.

Feel free to read on it yourself, here. Saying that your economy can take any form of sanctions is godmoding, mind you.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Ambassador, but one of the main reasons for us to ignore WA resolutions is that the worst thing that can happen is them fining us! We’ve read this resolution multiple times, in fact, we’ve even voted for it (OOC: did it in a different nation that I forgot passwords from)- because it does not mention anything like military intervention. Fines or embargoes are not a thing that we can’t handle, and staying in WA and paying the fines is far more beneficial for us than to leave it, taking into account the benefits that WA membership grants us.

"If your government enjoys being punished, then that is their kink to figure out, Ambassador. Judging by your attitudes the fines aren't going to become smaller, but will rise the more you refuse to return to a state of compliance, I wager. No economy is strong enough to endure that forever."

Eh, our nation is already on its way to transition to a new economical system that’s actually closer to communism and as such, I suppose, we’ll be able to keep paying up whatever you throw at us. Not all economical systems even require the existence of money, Ambassador. After all, it’s not like our masters from United Federation are gonna stop buying our military stuff...
Speaking about kinks, if you can call a “kink” suffering for your and your ancestors’ values than you sure are right. Probably should pay a visit to a church after this meeting is over because I’ve probably broken that least 3-4 rules by my last statement...

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Ambassador, but one of the main reasons for us to ignore WA resolutions is that the worst thing that can happen is them fining us! We’ve read this resolution multiple times, in fact, we’ve even voted for it (OOC: did it in a different nation that I forgot passwords from)- because it does not mention anything like military intervention. Fines or embargoes are not a thing that we can’t handle, and staying in WA and paying the fines is far more beneficial for us than to leave it, taking into account the benefits that WA membership grants us.

"If your government enjoys being punished, then that is their kink to figure out, Ambassador. Judging by your attitudes the fines aren't going to become smaller, but will rise the more you refuse to return to a state of compliance, I wager. No economy is strong enough to endure that forever."

OOC: Oh, and before you continue down the path of playing as a non-compliant nation:

Even so, you are expected to act as if your nation is in compliance with the legislation for the purposes of role-play. One can role-play defiance of the legislation, but be prepared to do a proper job of it or be accused of wanking or godmoding (follow the links for explanations on wanking and godmoding), and possibly derided and ignored altogether. One fairly common and widely accepted method of roleplaying defiance of resolutions is to take advantage of the often ambiguous and/or undefined nature of the resolutions and define certain key terms such that the effects of the resolution are nullified or made negligible.

Feel free to read on it yourself, here. Saying that your economy can take any form of sanctions is godmoding, mind you.

OOC:
You’ve got it, comrade. Of course when I’ll be role playing WA delegation later you’ll certainly see my nation’s economy getting some damage or, maybe, some populace disagreeing with introducing more and more taxes to make up for losses due to fines.

[Ardiveds]

Ambassador, but one of the main reasons for us to ignore WA resolutions is that the worst thing that can happen is them fining us! We’ve read this resolution multiple times, in fact, we’ve even voted for it (OOC: did it in a different nation that I forgot passwords from)- because it does not mention anything like military intervention. Fines or embargoes are not a thing that we can’t handle, and staying in WA and paying the fines is far more beneficial for us than to leave it, taking into account the benefits that WA membership grants us.

"Ambassador, at this point you're honestly better off leaving the WA for your own sake. Not only will the fines and embargoes make sure any benifits you get from the WA become nil, but you'll be paying for staying in an organization whose policies you don't agree with."

[Quebecshire]

Enthusiastic support. Weak moral outrage should never be an excuse to neglect one's sworn duties, especially in the cases of medical practitioners.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Ambassador, but one of the main reasons for us to ignore WA resolutions is that the worst thing that can happen is them fining us! We’ve read this resolution multiple times, in fact, we’ve even voted for it (OOC: did it in a different nation that I forgot passwords from)- because it does not mention anything like military intervention. Fines or embargoes are not a thing that we can’t handle, and staying in WA and paying the fines is far more beneficial for us than to leave it, taking into account the benefits that WA membership grants us.

"Ambassador, at this point you're honestly better off leaving the WA for your own sake. Not only will the fines and embargoes make sure any benifits you get from the WA become nil, but you'll be paying for staying in an organization whose policies you don't agree with."

As long as the fines are not outweighing the benefits we’ll stay. And, even some time after that- for some reason the populace thinks that staying in WA is a necessity... Don’t ask me, why- even I don’t know...

[Sierra Lyricalia]

blah blah blah noncompliance wankery blah

Leo, having examined the transcript enough for his eyes to roll all the way up in his head and back around from the bottom, sighs and stands up. He stalks exasperatedly over to the Laka Strobi-whatever-ese ambassador's desk. Stretching, he cracks his knuckles, shoulders, and elbows.

"You shouldn't take our colleagues' patience-" he glances around at the various ambassadors who have hitherto been humoring this joker "- as in any way representative, sir. You're a practitioner of the most annoying, mindless, repetitive, and unoriginal edgelordism and I'm far too old to tolerate it any longer."

Leo picks up the hapless ambassador by the shirt lapels and begins to spin around, the centrifugal force lifting the man off the floor of the debating chamber. On each spin, a few words escape Leo's mouth. "If you WON'T-" he puffs for breath "-COMPLY-" puff "-yugan TELL IT TO THE FISH!" On "fish," he lets go the man's shirt, and the helpless obstruction to order goes sailing out the open window, arcing down to splash loudly, but harmlessly, into the Vastivan Memorial Reflecting Pool. Leo winces and rubs his left shoulder gingerly.

"Oof. Out of practice. That could have been quite bad."

Yeah, bud, we get it. Ooh, you're so naughty! Your rogue state actions will totally translate into individual roguish charm! You'll be fending off your preferred gender(s) with a stick, they'll be so into you!

If you're going to be non-compliant with the law, please at least be original about it, hmm? "La la la I can't hear you ambassador!!!" is not the way to go. Do a forum search for creative compliance and try to use your actual imagination.

Thanks.

[Separatist Peoples]

"I refer you to GAR #440 "Administrative Compliance Act" in which you can read for yourself all that you need to know, Ambassador. And I can assure you that your citizens' pockets aren't endless."

Ambassador, but one of the main reasons for us to ignore WA resolutions is that the worst thing that can happen is them fining us! We’ve read this resolution multiple times, in fact, we’ve even voted for it (OOC: did it in a different nation that I forgot passwords from)- because it does not mention anything like military intervention. Fines or embargoes are not a thing that we can’t handle, and staying in WA and paying the fines is far more beneficial for us than to leave it, taking into account the benefits that WA membership grants us.

Ooc: this interpretation is wrong. For one, the fins are coercive. They get worse over time and are values to force compliance. Thus, the WA will pick an amount designed to be prohibitively costly. It's like being fined as a normal Joe $10,000 per day until you move your car from a handicap spot.

Further, failure to pay fines enacts the strictest sanctions members can enact. That includes a literal blockade, freezing assets, refusing diplomatic parity and immunity, reneging contracts, etc. Again, such sanctions make those against North Korea or Iran look positively gentle.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Ambassador, at this point you're honestly better off leaving the WA for your own sake. Not only will the fines and embargoes make sure any benifits you get from the WA become nil, but you'll be paying for staying in an organization whose policies you don't agree with."

As long as the fines are not outweighing the benefits we’ll stay. And, even some time after that- for some reason the populace thinks that staying in WA is a necessity... Don’t ask me, why- even I don’t know...

Ooc: by definition and design, they will never outweigh the benefits of noncompliance.

[Daarwyrth]

blah blah blah noncompliance wankery blah

Leo, having examined the transcript enough for his eyes to roll all the way up in his head and back around from the bottom, sighs and stands up. He stalks exasperatedly over to the Laka Strobi-whatever-ese ambassador's desk. Stretching, he cracks his knuckles, shoulders, and elbows.

"You shouldn't take our colleagues' patience-" he glances around at the various ambassadors who have hitherto been humoring this joker "- as in any way representative, sir. You're a practitioner of the most annoying, mindless, repetitive, and unoriginal edgelordism and I'm far too old to tolerate it any longer."

Leo picks up the hapless ambassador by the shirt lapels and begins to spin around, the centrifugal force lifting the man off the floor of the debating chamber. On each spin, a few words escape Leo's mouth. "If you WON'T-" he puffs for breath "-COMPLY-" puff "-yugan TELL IT TO THE FISH!" On "fish," he lets go the man's shirt, and the helpless obstruction to order goes sailing out the open window, arcing down to splash loudly, but harmlessly, into the Vastivan Memorial Reflecting Pool. Leo winces and rubs his left shoulder gingerly.

"Oof. Out of practice. That could have been quite bad."

Yeah, bud, we get it. Ooh, you're so naughty! Your rogue state actions will totally translate into individual roguish charm! You'll be fending off your preferred gender(s) with a stick, they'll be so into you!

If you're going to be non-compliant with the law, please at least be original about it, hmm? "La la la I can't hear you ambassador!!!" is not the way to go. Do a forum search for creative compliance and try to use your actual imagination.

Thanks.

Maria vyn Nysen laughs audibly and claps enthusiastically. "Ten out of ten marks, Ambassador! That was a splendid display!"

[Heavens Reach]

Support on the premise of scrubbing the clause that codifies unethical medical praxis alone.

[Daarwyrth]

Support on the premise of scrubbing the clause that codifies unethical medical praxis alone.

"Unethical medical praxis?"

[Wallenburg]

Leo picks up the hapless ambassador by the shirt lapels and begins to spin around, the centrifugal force lifting the man off the floor of the debating chamber. On each spin, a few words escape Leo's mouth. "If you WON'T-" he puffs for breath "-COMPLY-" puff "-yugan TELL IT TO THE FISH!" On "fish," he lets go the man's shirt, and the helpless obstruction to order goes sailing out the open window, arcing down to splash loudly, but harmlessly, into the Vastivan Memorial Reflecting Pool. Leo winces and rubs his left shoulder gingerly.

"Oof. Out of practice. That could have been quite bad."

"Hey!" shouts Ogenbond from behind a suspiciously large fruit basket. "Since when were we defenestrating ambassadors in the voting chamber? I had almost completed the gnome-summoning ritual. And Mr. Pavonis, that was quite bad form. Impressive distance and trajectory, to be sure, but just look at your arm! That's not healthy."

[San Guglielmo]

An observation for clarity: Insofar as the repeal making it obligatory for physicians to perform abortions ..Is it not an individual physician's choice to be in that position? ..To make abortion a priority of one's practice? In that case, there would be no conflict in the matter; it would not be necessary for physicians who refrain from performing abortions to be expected to do so.

[Groot]

Leo picks up the hapless ambassador by the shirt lapels and begins to spin around, the centrifugal force lifting the man off the floor of the debating chamber. On each spin, a few words escape Leo's mouth. "If you WON'T-" he puffs for breath "-COMPLY-" puff "-yugan TELL IT TO THE FISH!" On "fish," he lets go the man's shirt, and the helpless obstruction to order goes sailing out the open window, arcing down to splash loudly, but harmlessly, into the Vastivan Memorial Reflecting Pool. Leo winces and rubs his left shoulder gingerly.

"Oof. Out of practice. That could have been quite bad."

"I am Groot," says Groot, holding up a notepad on which "9.5/10" is written.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Ambassador, but one of the main reasons for us to ignore WA resolutions is that the worst thing that can happen is them fining us! We’ve read this resolution multiple times, in fact, we’ve even voted for it (OOC: did it in a different nation that I forgot passwords from)- because it does not mention anything like military intervention. Fines or embargoes are not a thing that we can’t handle, and staying in WA and paying the fines is far more beneficial for us than to leave it, taking into account the benefits that WA membership grants us.

Ooc: this interpretation is wrong. For one, the fins are coercive. They get worse over time and are values to force compliance. Thus, the WA will pick an amount designed to be prohibitively costly. It's like being fined as a normal Joe $10,000 per day until you move your car from a handicap spot.

Further, failure to pay fines enacts the strictest sanctions members can enact. That includes a literal blockade, freezing assets, refusing diplomatic parity and immunity, reneging contracts, etc. Again, such sanctions make those against North Korea or Iran look positively gentle.

OOC: I wasn’t strictly talking about financial benefits here. I was also talking about things like diplomatic relations, participance in WA-backed organizations, etc. I also highly doubt that WA would employ things like naval blockade, or possibly a litteral military invasion just because one nation has a hard stance against abortions. Speaking about punishments for failing to pay fines, I do understand the consequences. I even thought that they’d be harsher than what you described.
P.S. While I do understand that comparing WA to IRL equivalent that cannot be named, I highly doubt that any reasonable organization would consider invading a nation just because it has some civil rights violations. After all, things like Iran, Iraq (invaded due to strategic reasons not because civil rights violations) or some African states during their worst years existed and no one invaded them for some time.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: this interpretation is wrong. For one, the fins are coercive. They get worse over time and are values to force compliance. Thus, the WA will pick an amount designed to be prohibitively costly. It's like being fined as a normal Joe $10,000 per day until you move your car from a handicap spot.

Further, failure to pay fines enacts the strictest sanctions members can enact. That includes a literal blockade, freezing assets, refusing diplomatic parity and immunity, reneging contracts, etc. Again, such sanctions make those against North Korea or Iran look positively gentle.

OOC: I wasn’t strictly talking about financial benefits here. I was also talking about things like diplomatic relations, participance in WA-backed organizations, etc. I also highly doubt that WA would employ things like naval blockade, or possibly a litteral military invasion just because one nation has a hard stance against abortions. Speaking about punishments for failing to pay fines, I do understand the consequences. I even thought that they’d be harsher than what you described.
P.S. While I do understand that comparing WA to IRL equivalent that cannot be named, I highly doubt that any reasonable organization would consider invading a nation just because it has some civil rights violations. After all, things like Iran, Iraq (invaded due to strategic reasons not because civil rights violations) or some African states during their worst years existed and no one invaded them for some time.

Ooc: The WA can and would blockade. Member states are directed to take the strictest sanctions available. That includes a blockade where possible. Member states can and have engaged in military action to enforce resolutions in the past. The punishments will literally dismantle a state.

That the UN lacks the will to act does not mean the WA, an organization with more direct power, wouldn't. Your assessment of enforcement in the WA is absolutely, unequivocally incorrect. If you aren't willing to recognize the underlying and objective effects of noncompliance, this is probably not the forum for you. I posted elsewhere explaining why this brand of edgy noncompliance is a waste of everybody's time and is profoundly unoriginal.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: it is not clear to my why anybody who professes noncompliance with this or any other proposal should have their input considered in any draft. A player who refuses to play by the shared premises of the roleplay does not merit participation in that roleplay.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

blah blah blah noncompliance wankery blah

Leo, having examined the transcript enough for his eyes to roll all the way up in his head and back around from the bottom, sighs and stands up. He stalks exasperatedly over to the Laka Strobi-whatever-ese ambassador's desk. Stretching, he cracks his knuckles, shoulders, and elbows.

"You shouldn't take our colleagues' patience-" he glances around at the various ambassadors who have hitherto been humoring this joker "- as in any way representative, sir. You're a practitioner of the most annoying, mindless, repetitive, and unoriginal edgelordism and I'm far too old to tolerate it any longer."

Leo picks up the hapless ambassador by the shirt lapels and begins to spin around, the centrifugal force lifting the man off the floor of the debating chamber. On each spin, a few words escape Leo's mouth. "If you WON'T-" he puffs for breath "-COMPLY-" puff "-yugan TELL IT TO THE FISH!" On "fish," he lets go the man's shirt, and the helpless obstruction to order goes sailing out the open window, arcing down to splash loudly, but harmlessly, into the Vastivan Memorial Reflecting Pool. Leo winces and rubs his left shoulder gingerly.

"Oof. Out of practice. That could have been quite bad."

Yeah, bud, we get it. Ooh, you're so naughty! Your rogue state actions will totally translate into individual roguish charm! You'll be fending off your preferred gender(s) with a stick, they'll be so into you!

If you're going to be non-compliant with the law, please at least be original about it, hmm? "La la la I can't hear you ambassador!!!" is not the way to go. Do a forum search for creative compliance and try to use your actual imagination.

Thanks.

Dripping with water, Oe would return to the hall ((OOC: or something IDK where they debate it guess my retardness and bad English weren’t good enough to find any info)), and, menacingly, walk up to the ambassador’s desk. Taking her ceremonial award epee, with comically large words written on the sheath “NOT ACTUAL WEAPON: BLUNT EDGE”, take the epee out of the sneath and point it at Leo. “You... To begin with, I’m impressed by your ability to lift things up and throw them out of the window with such a great precision! I suppose, you’ve been playing for a basketball team, amiright? Second...- she would say menacingly HOW THE HELL DO YOU DARE TO ASSUME MY GENDER?! Yes, our men and women do dress, basically the same way and yes, I might not look like a women, but look at this,- points at her badge, doesn’t pretitle “Ms” tells you ANYTHING??? Oh, and about your assault..l- she would drag a still water-soaked glove from her pocket, and throw it at Leo’s face,- we should probably settle this not in here, should we? I mean fighting in this hall would be so cool, romantic and stuff, but look: both of us will be further fined for this, and my income of 20.000N$ is already not too much... Lastly, she would add with a smile on her face...- About your throw... 8.5 out of 10. Nice work, pal!”

Ooc: it is not clear to my why anybody who professes noncompliance with this or any other proposal should have their input considered in any draft. A player who refuses to play by the shared premises of the roleplay does not merit participation in that roleplay.

OOC: well, that because my nation is very supportive of other proposals. LS is not “North Korea”-level of civil rights violations, and it abides to most WA proposals excluding some that, should the government or monarch even attempt to implement not on paper, would result in general populace quickly getting upset and impeaching the government or forcing the monarch to resign.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: I wasn’t strictly talking about financial benefits here. I was also talking about things like diplomatic relations, participance in WA-backed organizations, etc. I also highly doubt that WA would employ things like naval blockade, or possibly a litteral military invasion just because one nation has a hard stance against abortions. Speaking about punishments for failing to pay fines, I do understand the consequences. I even thought that they’d be harsher than what you described.
P.S. While I do understand that comparing WA to IRL equivalent that cannot be named, I highly doubt that any reasonable organization would consider invading a nation just because it has some civil rights violations. After all, things like Iran, Iraq (invaded due to strategic reasons not because civil rights violations) or some African states during their worst years existed and no one invaded them for some time.

Ooc: The WA can and would blockade. Member states are directed to take the strictest sanctions available. That includes a blockade where possible. Member states can and have engaged in military action to enforce resolutions in the past. The punishments will literally dismantle a state.

OOC: Now that is an interesting role play situation, isn’t it? The state having to balance between the international law and the general populace that can and will basically impeach them should they do anything they don’t like.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: well, that because my nation is very supportive of other proposals. LS is not “North Korea”-level of civil rights violations, and it abides to most WA proposals excluding some that, should the government or monarch even attempt to implement not on paper, would result in general populace quickly getting upset and impeaching the government or forcing the monarch to resign.

Ooc: entirely irrelevant. Failure to adhere to the rules of the roleplay diminishes the entire endeavor. That you approve of some proposals doesn't give anybody a pass. You don't get to ignore one traffic law if you follow all the rest, neither do you get to ignore one policy in the WA and expect to have it ignored.

Your creative failure is not our burden. If you can't figure out how to comply ICly, at least have the decency to roleplay the staggering damage of noncompliance like other anti choice players have.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: The WA can and would blockade. Member states are directed to take the strictest sanctions available. That includes a blockade where possible. Member states can and have engaged in military action to enforce resolutions in the past. The punishments will literally dismantle a state.

OOC: Now that is an interesting role play situation, isn’t it? The state having to balance between the international law and the general populace that can and will basically impeach them should they do anything they don’t like.

Ooc: circle gets the square. This is how many players manage unpopular resolutions without ignoring the compliance mechanism.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: well, that because my nation is very supportive of other proposals. LS is not “North Korea”-level of civil rights violations, and it abides to most WA proposals excluding some that, should the government or monarch even attempt to implement not on paper, would result in general populace quickly getting upset and impeaching the government or forcing the monarch to resign.

Ooc: entirely irrelevant. Failure to adhere to the rules of the roleplay diminishes the entire endeavor. That you approve of some proposals doesn't give anybody a pass. You don't get to ignore one traffic law if you follow all the rest, neither do you get to ignore one policy in the WA and expect to have it ignored.

Your creative failure is not our burden. If you can't figure out how to comply ICly, at least have the decency to roleplay the staggering damage of noncompliance like other anti choice players have.

OOC: I will, as I’ve stated above. I’ve never done it before, because that’s, basically, my first non-compliance RP in the WA, not taking into account the retarded posts of psychotic dictatorship-LS that I’ve made, maybe a year or something ago. These don’t count. Please.
Also what does “circle gets the square” means? I’m not really into English idioms...
Also we should probably do this talk somewhere else as I’m afraid that I’ll be banned for threadjacking, pardon me...

[South Boston Irishmen]

It's quite interesting to see just how far apart the voting is so far.