[PASSED] Tariffs and Trade Convention

[Untecna]

OOC: It would be legal IMO. Non members would be free to take it or leave it, or even remove member nations from customs areas if they were unwilling to abide by WA mandates. There are existing resolutions which regulate member nations' interactions with non-members in this sort of fashion, EG GAR#255, section 6.

I also feel it would be good policy. We wouldn't want to be giving non members access to WA markets where they do not uphold all the same standards that the WA enforces on member states, particularly the various human rights resolutions.

I guess the policy could be great, I still use the WA for international law, so...

yee

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: It would be legal IMO. Non members would be free to take it or leave it, or even remove member nations from customs areas if they were unwilling to abide by WA mandates. There are existing resolutions which regulate member nations' interactions with non-members in this sort of fashion, EG GAR#255, section 6.

I also feel it would be good policy. We wouldn't want to be giving non members access to WA markets where they do not uphold all the same standards that the WA enforces on member states, particularly the various human rights resolutions.

OOC: I agree with this.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: It would be legal IMO. Non members would be free to take it or leave it, or even remove member nations from customs areas if they were unwilling to abide by WA mandates. There are existing resolutions which regulate member nations' interactions with non-members in this sort of fashion, EG GAR#255, section 6.

I also feel it would be good policy. We wouldn't want to be giving non members access to WA markets where they do not uphold all the same standards that the WA enforces on member states, particularly the various human rights resolutions.

OOC: I agree with this.

Ooc: ditto.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I think this would do:

customs area refers to a general customs area entirely subject to World Assembly law;

The above statement would include non-member nations which are voluntarily subject to World Assembly law, perhaps under arrangements akin to the European Economic Area.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I want to submit this soon.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Bump.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Submitted.

[Merni]

OOC:

Legal (3): Bananaistan, Separatist Peoples, Sierra Lyricalia

Illegal (1): Bears Armed

22 hours ago: Bears Armed: Illegal — nfortunately contradicts GAR #224, 'Promotion of Bee-keeping', which sets slightly different rules in the case of "bees, bee-keeping equipment, and products of bee-keeping". You need to add the standard boilerplate about previous resolutions...

Interesting development!

[Junitaki-cho]

Is there a legality issue with this proposal, then, or does the current text hold?

[Boston Castle]

Is there a legality issue with this proposal, then, or does the current text hold?

Bears Armed can certainly correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m fairly certain it was like...a weird marking.

[Servilis]

Is there a legality issue with this proposal, then, or does the current text hold?

its forced capitalism

[Separatist Peoples]

Is there a legality issue with this proposal, then, or does the current text hold?

its forced capitalism

Ooc: no it isn't.

[Servilis]

its forced capitalism

Ooc: no it isn't.

Ooc: then why the whole fucking TCB votin against it

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: no it isn't.

Ooc: then why the whole fucking TCB votin against it

Ooc: bad reading capacity.

[Kenmoria]

Ooc: no it isn't.

Ooc: then why the whole fucking TCB votin against it

(OOC: Almost none of the players voting who aren’t part of a WA staff or active in the WA make a particularly informed choice. It’s that democracy again.)

[Merni]

Ooc: then why the whole fucking TCB votin against it

(OOC: Almost none of the players voting who aren’t part of a WA staff or active in the WA make a particularly informed choice. It’s that democracy again.)

(OOC: In their defence, many proposals (including this one) aren't written in a way that makes them easy to understand, and thereby make an informed choice.)

[Separatist Peoples]

(OOC: Almost none of the players voting who aren’t part of a WA staff or active in the WA make a particularly informed choice. It’s that democracy again.)

(OOC: In their defence, many proposals (including this one) aren't written in a way that makes them easy to understand, and thereby make an informed choice.)

Ooc: complex policy topics are complex. Not all proposals can be primers to complex topics with a 5000 character limit. If voters don't bother self-educating, they are the only ones bearing blame.

[Potted Plants United]

Ooc: complex policy topics are complex. Not all proposals can be primers to complex topics with a 5000 character limit. If voters don't bother self-educating, they are the only ones bearing blame.

OOC: Yeah, but in terms of a reason to vote against "because I don't understand it" is an entirely valid one OOCly.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: complex policy topics are complex. Not all proposals can be primers to complex topics with a 5000 character limit. If voters don't bother self-educating, they are the only ones bearing blame.

OOC: Yeah, but in terms of a reason to vote against "because I don't understand it" is an entirely valid one OOCly.

OOC: Not really. It amounts to elective ignorance. It's either an admission of laziness or ineptitude.

[Honeydewistania]

Ooc: no it isn't.

Ooc: then why the whole fucking TCB votin against it

idk, ur the minister, you should know the answer

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Ooc: no it isn't.

Ooc: then why the whole fucking TCB votin against it

OOC: I imagine because it does require particular trade policies of those nations who are members of commercial and customs unions or trade standardization treaties. That doesn't make it "forced capitalism" (which would be illegal under the GA rules), it just means that nations who want to maintain certain restrictions on international trade must not be part of any customs or free trade treaty area. In other words it can be both legal and detrimental to RP for countries following certain trade policies which are sometimes attributed to the political left.

I note Clause 4(b) still permits nations (or customs areas) to impose restrictions on trade with nations (or customs areas) who have (e.g.) WA-unacceptable labor or environmental policies or outcomes.

[Merni]

OOC: Yeah, but in terms of a reason to vote against "because I don't understand it" is an entirely valid one OOCly.

OOC: Not really. It amounts to elective ignorance. It's either an admission of laziness or ineptitude.

OOC: or...just not wanting to need to research about complex economic topics for a frickin web game?
Edit: Or, especially for non-native speakers, to make sense of wording like "no penalty for non-compliant activities taken with good faith reliance on such declarations may be imposed;".

[Tinfect]

OOC: or...just not wanting to need to research about complex economic topics for a frickin web game?

OOC:
As much as it is the case that the draft is written in a particularly impenetrable way, the GA is rather here specifically for complex legal and economic topics. You're under no obligation to participate in it if that's not your deal.

[Merni]

OOC: or...just not wanting to need to research about complex economic topics for a frickin web game?

OOC:
As much as it is the case that the draft is written in a particularly impenetrable way, the GA is rather here specifically for complex legal and economic topics. You're under no obligation to participate in it if that's not your deal.

OOC: I was just pointing out one of the reasons why many people make uninformed choices on WA resolutions, if it wasn't already obvious enough. (Many if not most people, after all, are in the WA not to vote on resolutions but to endorse their delegate for regional security.)

[American Pere Housh]

"This entire thing looks like a complete waste of of the GA's time plus APH is apart of SETA which is an economic as well as a military alliance. These restrictions are unnecessary and if my economy suffers as a result of this Convention,I know exactly who to blame." Vanny flips the IA ambassador a bird with both hands behind her back.