[DEFEATED] Condemn Ravana

[Vexilia]

The rebels of The Lake could write a better condemnation. The President sees this resolution as a waste of her time and votes [Against].

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Laughably Lasagna are thinking of giving this another shot, but this time they’re going to do it right.

See here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=39706323

Pro-tip folks - don’t. Isn’t one humiliation enough?

[Konnaulgopia]

This is just funny, the proposal is blowing up like the Tsar Bomba, gimme a sec while I grab some popcorn.

[SkyDip]

Laughably Lasagna are thinking of giving this another shot, but this time they’re going to do it right.

See here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=39706323

Pro-tip folks - don’t. Isn’t one humiliation enough?

Can't do it much more wrong than 91+% against, I guess!

[Mathuvan Union]

Laughably Lasagna are thinking of giving this another shot, but this time they’re going to do it right.

See here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=39706323

Pro-tip folks - don’t. Isn’t one humiliation enough?

Can't do it much more wrong than 91+% against, I guess!

It has 7.8% support.

[Picairn]

It has 7.8% support.

Eh, the support is pretty much a flatline at this point and only propped up by individual votes.

[Farlandiay]

It has 7.8% support.

Eh, the support is pretty much a flatline at this point and only propped up by individual votes.

As of now, with 7.8% support, it has the lowest support we could find on record.

[SkyDip]

Eh, the support is pretty much a flatline at this point and only propped up by individual votes.

As of now, with 7.8% support, it has the lowest support we could find on record.

“An impressive record in it’s own right, if you’re alright with accepting a failed resolution,” said Ambassador Greyjoy, fervently adding and subtracting items from his official signature.

[Anagonia]

"Very rarely does the delegation from Anagonia have reason to speak, but on this occasion we conclude that this proposal was done in bad faith and applaud the international community for voting justly on such a erroneous disuse of the Security Council."

The Anagonian representatives go back to their business after their statement.

[Outer Sparta]

Can't do it much more wrong than 91+% against, I guess!

It has 7.8% support.

And all the major delegates voted against it. Whenever that happens, it's definitely a failed proposal that's for sure.

[Outer Sparta]

Laughably Lasagna are thinking of giving this another shot, but this time they’re going to do it right.

See here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=39706323

Pro-tip folks - don’t. Isn’t one humiliation enough?

How much more stamp money will be spent here? Or is Can No Rey and other Lasagna residents not disclosing how they go about with WA recruiting?

[North American Imperial State]

Laughably Lasagna are thinking of giving this another shot, but this time they’re going to do it right.

See here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=39706323

Pro-tip folks - don’t. Isn’t one humiliation enough?

How much more stamp money will be spent here? Or is Can No Rey and other Lasagna residents not disclosing how they go about with WA recruiting?

More money for Max Barry. -not that he needs it.

[Aurum Raider]

How much more stamp money will be spent here?

Personally, I'm okay with Lasagna contributing to NS development costs.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Laughably Lasagna are thinking of giving this another shot, but this time they’re going to do it right.

See here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=39706323

Pro-tip folks - don’t. Isn’t one humiliation enough?

How much more stamp money will be spent here? Or is Can No Rey and other Lasagna residents not disclosing how they go about with WA recruiting?

Well you know the old saying - fools and their money are soon parted.

[Outer Sparta]

How much more stamp money will be spent here?

Personally, I'm okay with Lasagna contributing to NS development costs.

At this point, Lasagna is going to be a big donor of NS soon.

[Praeceps]

We were discussing this in TRR earlier - highest margin we found previously was 90.7% against so this one is well on track!

"That's, uh, startling," said Ambassador Greyjoy, flummoxed. "I'm not sure who that reflects more poorly on - the author, or those Delegates who brought such drivel to quorum."

Interestingly enough, I count 55 Delegates voting For the resolution—less than the number of approvals required for quorum.

[SkyDip]

"That's, uh, startling," said Ambassador Greyjoy, flummoxed. "I'm not sure who that reflects more poorly on - the author, or those Delegates who brought such drivel to quorum."

Interestingly enough, I count 55 Delegates voting For the resolution—less than the number of approvals required for quorum.

The waterfall effect is definitely a thing. If all the feeder/sinker Delegates vote one direction within a half day of each other, that can pretty much sway any resolution to success or failure. Delegates of less worldly regions will see an 80/20 split and go with the majority quite often.

[Refuge Isle]

Interestingly enough, I count 55 Delegates voting For the resolution—less than the number of approvals required for quorum.

Sometimes you just want to watch a good bonfire, you know?

[Praeceps]

Interestingly enough, I count 55 Delegates voting For the resolution—less than the number of approvals required for quorum.

The waterfall effect is definitely a thing. If all the feeder/sinker Delegates vote one direction within a half day of each other, that can pretty much sway any resolution to success or failure. Delegates of less worldly regions will see an 80/20 split and go with the majority quite often.

Waterfall effect, never heard of that before. Is that just a different name for the lemming effect?

[SkyDip]

The waterfall effect is definitely a thing. If all the feeder/sinker Delegates vote one direction within a half day of each other, that can pretty much sway any resolution to success or failure. Delegates of less worldly regions will see an 80/20 split and go with the majority quite often.

Waterfall effect, never heard of that before. Is that just a different name for the lemming effect?

Essentially - just less rodent death.

[Aureumterra]

Aureumterra’s ambassador laughs, tears up a copy of the proposal, and throws it in a nearby trash bin, "Where all bad proposals go…" he mutters under his breath

[Ria Reavi]

Seeing as this proposal has already been submitted with a recruitment campaign and no discussion thread exists, I'll go ahead and post this proposal here and invite the author Can No Rey to come and defend it.

I wish them good luck with that.
Now for the proposal.

[blocktext]Recognizing that ravana incited war with Lasagna,

Okay... I'd say this doesn't warrant a condemnation, but this is just the introduction, so let's continue...

Upon reading the full proposal, this is literally what the entire condemnation is about. It's too little to be worthy of such a proposal.

Understanding that there was much miscommunication and misunderstanding which took a role in the start of the conflict,

Let's see what the founder of Ravana has to say about this:

The misunderstanding in question is that the Lasagna Minister of Defense reached out to a MP of Ravana asking for a merger in which Ravana would be fully integrated into Lasagna. Nopengie, the MP (and also a second week player on nationstates) took this as a provocation and denounced the effort by Lasagna. In response to his denunciation, Lasagna forces moved into Ravana on an attempted raid that was called off at the last minute. Ravanian operatives infiltraited the Lasagna discord and found the military coordination in which the attack had been planned, and declared war in response.

Eek!

Disturbed that ravana's WA delegate, Nopengie, reacted with undue hostility and aggression towards the proposed merger, when aggression was unwarranted and a simple no thank you would have been accepted instead of threats,

See above.
"Assimilate"
"No thanks"
"..."

Sickened by the sheer volume of misinformation and propaganda used against Lasagna to further ravana's military goal,

Upon investigation, Lasagna doesn't seem to understand what is 'misinformation' and 'propaganda' and what isn't.

Saddened that while Lasagna tried to work for peace, ravana twisted messages by Lasagnaian citizen nations like, Can No Rey thinks Lasagna needs a military action, to sound as if Lasagna started the war, and declared war on Lasagna when peace was close at hand,

Grammar? Also, I believe it's understandable if one government talks about military action, another government that already has bad relations with them would probably react.

Shocked by the amount of violence expressed at Lasagna when it was not needed,

Can't find anything supporting this line.

Noting that nations like Victoria Pond tried to disrupt peace talks and destabilize communications further when peace was close at hand,

"Peace was close at hand" [x2]

Can't find anything supporting this line, although the peace talks may have been private conversations between the two regions. If they weren't, I'd like to see what happened during those peace talks.

Shocked that nations like Victoria Pond suppressed Lasagna's diplomats in an effort to make the diplomats stop peace talks and continue the war,

Admitting that Lasagna played a part in furthering the war

So you're admitting you contributed to the war's continuation? Well at least this proposal has some redeeming-

but realizing Lasagna's part pales in comparison to ravana's,

Well nevermind then.

Further noting that Lasagna was in the middle of working to stabilize several regions but that ravana's deceleration of war has caused many regions that needed Lasagna's help have received none because of Lasagna having to defend itself,

Grammar? [x2]

Angered by the amount of taunts and mockery used by ravana to hurt Lasagna and incite Lasagna to strike first, which would make Lasagna the perpetrator and ravana the victim instead of the current situation,

What about that time you said 'Ravana was trying to make it look like you started the war'? You seem to be saying that you DID start the war in this line, unless I'm misinterpreting it.

[Alexea]

Shit happens.... it just does.

[North American Imperial State]

Shit happens.... it just does.

Too true.

[Free Republic of Hong Kong]

This is a bad resolution arguably same/worse as CCD self-commend attemps