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Stoskavanya
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Postby Stoskavanya » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:06 am

Alenburg wrote:"Alenburg is a conservative nation with our rules,our history and our culture and of course our policies that must be respected as i say our ancient languages are not forbidden any Alenburgian who speaks dutch,german our afrikaans can speak it but everyday living only english serve"

Nothing in this proposal is stopping you from doing any of that.

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Alenburg
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Postby Alenburg » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:43 am

Stoskavanya wrote:
Alenburg wrote:"Alenburg is a conservative nation with our rules,our history and our culture and of course our policies that must be respected as i say our ancient languages are not forbidden any Alenburgian who speaks dutch,german or afrikaans can speak it but everyday living only english serve"

Nothing in this proposal is stopping you from doing any of that.

Our words remains the same even our inmigration policies.

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The Pendanese
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Postby The Pendanese » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:31 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:"I would disagree, language death can be part of a failing culture and result in a loss of tradition and native practices. It also can be damaging to linguists as it means there are a smaller area of languages to study. We currently support the intention of the draft."

"Cultures fail. Retaining something incapable of surviving in the modern world is a waste of resources. Let them die."


Agreed, plus, translation will be a pain. I think we should go as far as to establishing English as a world required language.

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Groot
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Postby Groot » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:34 am

The Pendanese wrote:I think we should go as far as to establishing English as a world required language.

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United Cities of Happy City
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Postby United Cities of Happy City » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:53 am

We don’t mind making an official worldwide language but why English?

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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:55 am

The Pendanese wrote:I think we should go as far as to establishing English as a world required language.

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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:54 pm

The Pendanese wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Cultures fail. Retaining something incapable of surviving in the modern world is a waste of resources. Let them die."

Agreed, plus, translation will be a pain. I think we should go as far as to establishing English as a world required language.

"Even though countless ambassadors here--including myself--come from whole worlds or civilizations where English does not exist?"
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Sierra Lyricalia
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:17 pm

The Pendanese wrote:Agreed, plus, translation will be a pain. I think we should go as far as to establishing English as a world required language.


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"Hear ye, hear ye! This eyedia is Topp-Notch, and wee give our hole-harted Support. Ynglysch is the reckognyzéd Tung of the moast high-quallity Persons in all the World, and yt is only Fitt that all Nations should adopt yt for al and sondree Purposes. The Pendinees Ambassidur is to be Commended for his For-Syte and gen'ral Wizdom. Ynglysch Tue-day, Ynglysch tue-morro, Ynglysch for Eavor!"

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Hessere
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Postby Hessere » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:26 pm

Thanks to this thread, I'm really just questioning whether the GA is just useless borderline roleplay or- oh, wait. It pretty much is.
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Allied Sapients
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Postby Allied Sapients » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:40 pm

Hessere wrote:Thanks to this thread, I'm really just questioning whether the GA is just useless borderline roleplay or- oh, wait. It pretty much is.


Did you miss the memo that the GA is a roleplay forum, or what?

The Pendanese wrote:Agreed, plus, translation will be a pain. I think we should go as far as to establishing English as a world required language.


Only if we fall on the “dialect” side of the dialect-vs-its-own-language debate, and have everything in Scots.
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Wolf state
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Postby Wolf state » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:25 pm

he would walk into meeting "sorry i'm late i heard about the debate and your voting i would agree but i herd language so ill agree with you why do you have to speak another language because some one said to my state is proud to vote yes on this and with the other 2k who vote no on this you need to rethink" he would sit then take a drink out of water that he brought and leaned back letting people argue back

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Araraukar
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:14 pm

Wolf state wrote:"sorry i'm late i heard about the debate and your voting i would agree but i herd language"

"How, exactly, does one herd a language? Isn't herding usually done with sheep and notoriously impossible to do with cats?"

"so ill agree"

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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:12 am

Hessere wrote:Thanks to this thread, I'm really just questioning whether the GA is just useless borderline roleplay or- oh, wait. It pretty much is.

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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:23 am

Hessere wrote:Thanks to this thread, I'm really just questioning whether the GA is just useless borderline roleplay or- oh, wait. It pretty much is.

If you don't feel like participating in the GA, you don't have to. You certainly don't have to bring your puppet over here to complain about how much you don't like participating in the GA.
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Camalotia
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Postby Camalotia » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:56 am

“The Parliament and King of Camalotia both agree on terms to support this proposal”
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United Democratic Peoples Republics
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Postby United Democratic Peoples Republics » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:32 am

there should only be the one true world language

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Aclion
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Postby Aclion » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:51 am

United Democratic Peoples Republics wrote:there should only be the one true world language

OOC: Technically speaking there is; english. :p
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:24 am

Aclion wrote:
United Democratic Peoples Republics wrote:there should only be the one true world language

OOC: Technically speaking there is; english. :p

OOC: Or Spanish, or French, both of which are understood in far more RL nations than English...
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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:57 am

Araraukar wrote:
Aclion wrote:OOC: Technically speaking there is; english. :p

OOC: Or Spanish, or French, both of which are understood in far more RL nations than English...

OOC: Nope. English. Because 'murica.

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Aclion
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Postby Aclion » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:14 am

Araraukar wrote:
Aclion wrote:OOC: Technically speaking there is; english. :p

OOC: Or Spanish, or French, both of which are understood in far more RL nations than English...

OOC: Try getting the World Assembly to pass a resolution in French though :P
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Dirty Americans
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Postby Dirty Americans » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:18 am

United Democratic Peoples Republics wrote:there should only be the one true world language


One world language? How would you enforce that? And I literally mean "enforce." The world (wait I thought we were larger than that) is a vast place. You take one language and that language is going to evolve and change (just like a living creature, not that I am suggesting that it is living; even continents change over time given the action of storms etc) sometimes in the span of generations. Over a few centuries the differences can become significant, especially people separated by distance.

I heard of a great empire which spoke one language. Even under that empire people weren't saying the language properly. When that empire fell every little area within the empire started to speak differently in many subtle ways. Sometimes small areas combined, sometimes small areas invaded other small areas, but after a while that land was divided into a number of distinct separate languages.

We don't speak the language we spoke several hundred years ago. What makes you think we can all speak the same language several hundred years from now?
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Dirty Americans
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Postby Dirty Americans » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:22 am

Aclion wrote:OOC: Try getting the World Assembly to pass a resolution in French though :P

OOC: Technically speaking the text block on the "World Assembly" web pages are not in character; like the debates it is supposed to be scientifically translated to the IC native language by the World Assembly system. The "English" requirement for the web site is not in character.
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Araraukar
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:31 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:Flies off in a whirlwind of red, white, and blue confetti and brass bullet shells

OOC: :rofl: Oh you lovely human, you know how to make me burst out laughing so hard...
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:54 pm

Dirty Americans wrote:
Aclion wrote:OOC: Try getting the World Assembly to pass a resolution in French though :P

OOC: Technically speaking the text block on the "World Assembly" web pages are not in character; like the debates it is supposed to be scientifically translated to the IC native language by the World Assembly system. The "English" requirement for the web site is not in character.

^^
Separatist Peoples wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Or Spanish, or French, both of which are understood in far more RL nations than English...

OOC: Nope. English. Because 'murica.

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I dunno. Sounds pretty French. :P
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Altique
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Postby Altique » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:14 pm

I wish to address to the world assembly my concerned about this new proposal.

The intention of this resolution may seem well-written for some, but for those of us who value their national identity and homogeneous language see this resolution as a threat to its sovereignty

I oppose this bill.

I strongly encourage any and all foreigners living within my Nation to practice their right to speak any language he/she may choose in the privacy of their residence, lodging or temporary quarter, however, economically the implementation throughout the governmental apparatus of a large learning structure to cater to the sum total of language spoken inside a Nation by minorities. These are radical reforms indeed. the educational system and its improvement should only be devise at the regional level. I refuse to add to the school curriculum mandatory study of foreign language. We support any endeavors to promote language study and foreign cultural study as long as our citizen doesn't feel compelled to do it.

I fear this resolution would be punishing to anyone else but to the foreigner who will feel empowered to maintain their language within foreign nation thus creating new barrier within said host nation.

I support any and all resolution which aims to open doors, lower barrier and nullify difference.
I feel this resolution will do the exact opposite.
Close doors of understanding between many nationality/language. Raise a language barrier that may take generations to break. Exacerbate difference by empowering minority by allowing them to remain part of it.

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