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Postby Omerica » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:33 pm

Ransium wrote:
Distraught that through the WA delegation of their protectorate, Imperial Polk County, Wrapper passed "Ban On Ritual Sacrifice", which, while claiming to protect the vulnerable, actually trampled upon the religious rights of numerous nations to enforce so-called 'civilized standards';

This is an instant deal breaker. I will not endorse human sacrifice in any way shape or form, whether directly or (in this case) indirectly.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:37 pm

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The opinion of the government is that Wrapper deserves recognition for his activities and contributions to the world as a whole. While I personally would prefer a commendation, this is more than suitable, given what appears to be the nominee's non-objection to the measure. Therefore, in exercise of powers granted to me under section 3 of the Foreign Policy (World Assembly) Act 2018, duly passed by the European Parliament, the 26th of January 2018, I hereby vote in favour of this proposal.

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Postby Indera Kayangan » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:01 am

Omerica wrote:
Ransium wrote:

This is an instant deal breaker. I will not endorse human sacrifice in any way shape or form, whether directly or (in this case) indirectly.

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The same can be said for me.
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Postby Anarchist Union » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:09 am

Wrapper was flagging everything but his stuff as illegal, even this, while pushing his own agenda, so im voting to condemn his shiz.

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Postby Herby » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:12 am

Omerica wrote:
Ransium wrote:

This is an instant deal breaker. I will not endorse human sacrifice in any way shape or form, whether directly or (in this case) indirectly.

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Ya know, I wasn’t gonna include this but the resolution is really unpopular with sonething like forty repeal attempts, almost all illegal for one reason or another. That many repeal tries in such a short time convinced me to put it in there.
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Postby Herby » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:14 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:

The opinion of the government is that Wrapper deserves recognition for his activities and contributions to the world as a whole. While I personally would prefer a commendation, this is more than suitable, given what appears to be the nominee's non-objection to the measure. Therefore, in exercise of powers granted to me under section 3 of the Foreign Policy (World Assembly) Act 2018, duly passed by the European Parliament, the 26th of January 2018, I hereby vote in favour of this proposal.

I tried gathering stuff for a commendation. This proved to be MUCH easier. :)
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Postby Monetillia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:19 am

We initially voted against the condemnation of Wrapper. However, after seeking to establish diplomatic ties with them and being met with a less than ideal response, we have withdrawn our support of both Wrapper and Stargate, changing our vote to be in favor of condemnation.

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Postby Fauxia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:54 am

Anarchist Union wrote:Wrapper was flagging everything but his stuff as illegal, even this, while pushing his own agenda, so im voting to condemn his shiz.
He didn’t have anything, and multiple resolutions have passed since then.
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Postby Fishy Apples » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:11 am

Distraught that through the WA delegation of their protectorate, Imperial Polk County, Wrapper passed "Ban On Ritual Sacrifice", which, while claiming to protect the vulnerable, actually trampled upon the religious rights of numerous nations to enforce so-called 'civilized standards';

We of Fishy Apples voted for this condemnation namely knowing now that Wrapper, through their proxy Imperial Polk County, were the ones responsible for the bill that ultimately banned ritual sacrifice. We almost left the WA in disgust at the sight of this bill, and even now... even now, it has been weeks since our Elder Gods have been sated. They always did love the blood of the homeless spilling upon their alters, but now we can't sacrifice said homeless in their name, not to mention after we had drained their blood we would process the bodies and sell them to our neighbors in The Onigiri Enclave as food. They make the finest Hobo Curry we have ever seen.
Now though? The alters are bleached clean by the sun. We have lost a reliable revenue stream from selling fresh kosher hobo meat to our neighbors. The apples... they even seem smaller, less juicy, more prone to infestation. I mean, we've tried sacrificing gorilla and bonobo, but... but it's just not the same. It's... just not the same. :unsure:
So, we would jump at a chance to punish those that trampled on our faith and cut off a valuable revenue stream.
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Postby Sprechline » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:32 am

This looks like a joke, Condemn Wrapper, Condem Wrapper, Condom Wrapper.
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Postby Herby » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:37 am

Awwwww man I really feel for ya, Applesauce. Tell you what, when I get home I’ll say a lil prayer to the apple goddess and sacrifice a few old slaver-drivers I mean ehhhhhhh spare tires, yeah, old bald flabby ehhhh spare tires, we’ll sacrifice ‘em in her name on your behalf and see if things get better, ‘kay? Keep the faith!
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Postby Ricoux » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:38 am

People, as you may have noticed Wrapper is being voted for condemnation against allowing dictator nations access to nuclear materials.
It is my belief they have done this by accident the reason being they are the very opposite of a dictatorship and such a compassionate,if naive, nation should NOT be punished without a further investigation. for all we know they were manipulated and mislead.

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Postby Ricoux » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:40 am

Sprechline wrote:This looks like a joke, Condemn Wrapper, Condem Wrapper, Condom Wrapper.


This is exactly what i mean, if we condemn wrapper then who wins? not those of us fighting for peace and certainty not wrapper. no the dictators win.

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Postby Dirty Americans » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:47 am

We are proud to cast our vote to support the condemnation of Wrapper. Hopefully such condemnations will embolden the nation for even more viler deeds. :twisted:
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Postby Ricoux » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:14 am

Dirty Americans wrote:We are proud to cast our vote to support the condemnation of Wrapper. Hopefully such condemnations will embolden the nation for even more viler deeds. :twisted:


And if they were manipulated to doing this? you condemn a nation with superb rights for there citizens. answer me this, why would such a nation help dictators anyways?

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Postby Carthae » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:38 pm

Sprechline wrote:This looks like a joke, Condemn Wrapper, Condem Wrapper, Condom Wrapper.
Agreed and cosigned. This has to be a prophylactic pun.

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Postby Shaktirajya » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:43 pm

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, hereby vote FOR this resolution in concert with Our regional delegate Davelands. We came to this conclusion partly because We condemn the WA resolution banning ritual sacrifice for its attempt to impose restrictions on matters of theology and ritual on nations, including Our own, which have long-standing traditions which preserve the right to make sacrifices of sentient beings. We are not Buddhists, nor Jains, but Shakta Hindus who have practiced ritual sacrifice for over 3,500 years.

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An Appeal regarding the Condemnation of Wrapper

Postby Harbertia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:42 pm

I come to appeal, not for myself but for others on the ground of structural sustainability for future generations.

The proposal of [Condemn] Wrapper has come to my attention and it's this which I speak to you know on the subject of.

The Security Council is not your personal Roasting session. Condemnation is meant to immortalize for all to see what has been deemed unacceptable behavior standing forever here for all to see.

By morphing Condemnation into a roast type show of appreciation, rather then Commending an individual for their beneficial contributions and influence serves only to diminish the severity of condemnation- taking away the impact it's suppose to have on the community by turning it simply into 'recognition'.

By removing the negative connotation associated with being Condemned you only encourage further degeneration to the point that being 'commended' for ill behavior or negative influence becomes acceptable to the point that those looking onto what we've immortalized no longer see a 'positive' or 'negative'.

My appeal is for the sway in favor of this motion to be turned, and averted. For once the acts of a governing body becomes 'a joke' so to does that governing body and I hold a hope that no one in the WA desires to be regarded as a joke and does indeed seek the involvement of individuals with deep political thoughts who here on NS may put such thought out into a community that can help foster, shape, and grow their interest into the leaders of tomorrow.

To many I am aware this is just a game and a game it is, but it's also a tool- an asset- a medium for experimenting with different ideologies, views, and philosophy outside the real world so that we as a people may grow.

On this level, for the sake of this site's future, I implore you to reconsider this course of action.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:20 pm


Only after TGing Sierra Lyricalia did I realize that this link was not a silent approval my appeal but a way of expressing that such 'roasts' as this are accepted by the NS community. I hope to change that with this appeal.

*again I didn't recognize the above as a roast and truly felt revolted by it's victim (Omigodtheykilledkenny) who I now see received my disgust for unwarranted reasons.

Which only furthers my point for even with out knowing the individual I despised him. These condemnations are a serious matter not to be taken lightly.

Why immortalize the positive with a negative label? Should a man who has lived a life of celibacy be branded a rapist?
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Postby The Province of Peas » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:04 pm

Condemn Wrapper? Why are you wasting our time? Isn’t there something better to spend a vote ?

The Security Council should be considering bigger issues than this.

I don’t support Wrapper, but I do support process and purpose.

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Postby Oresland » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:34 pm

The game is taken seriously or as a joke by the players. The game itself isn't meant to be taken seriously and is meant to be a satirical game. That's just part of the game. So this condemnation may be due to that.

The WA's resolutions don't even affect the individual member states and are really more for RP purposes rather than something we have to take seriously (many national policies contradict WA resolutions and some players don't comply with some WA resolutions). If this bothers anyone so much, they're always welcome to repeal it. Or they can ignore it, like I've done with so many commendations / condemnations.

Wanting to make a game that's based on satire be more serious isn't going to happen. As you said, this is a game, and it all depends on the players whether they make it a serious one or not.
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Postby Willania Imperium » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:25 pm

Why are you taking this so seriously? As you said, this is a game, especially a satirical one. You can choose to be uptight and extremely serious, but it's eventually up to the players themselves if they want it to be strictly serious or relaxed and fun. You can't enforce your own viewpoints; only they can make the decision.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:39 pm

Harbertia wrote:Why immortalize the positive with a negative label?

Because all of these badges are, when you strip everything off them, ego-stroking popularity contests. Condemnations are for playing the game well in a bad manner. Commendations are for playing the game well in a good manner.

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Postby RiderSyl » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:55 pm

In this Condemnation, there's 3 weak points that never should have made the final draft. They're just stupid. Nothing is condemn-worthy about karaoke night, Groot jokes, or a shitpost in The Strangers' Bar.

Your awkward WA forum in-jokes don't belong in a Condemn proposal, guys. It just makes it cringe-worthy, and easier to repeal.
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