[PASSED] Ban on Ritual Sacrifice

[Xmara]

OOC: *looks at illegal GA proposal queue* Yikes, I’ve never seen so many repeal proposals.

[States of Glory WA Office]

-snip-

I did not see that coming!

[Shaktirajya]

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, are home to many tribes and population groups who perform ritual animal sacrifice as part of their ancestral religions.

The State Religion of Shaktirajya is the Shakta sect of Hinduism in which animal sacrifice is an integral part in many lineages.

I will never understand this opposition to ritual animal sacrifice both among many Orthodox Hindus who have been infected by Christian, Buddhist, and Jain sensibilities, nor can I understand opposition to same among many neo-"pagans."

Do these people not realize that Do ut des Latin i.e. "I give that Thou may give..." is the essential creed of traditional polytheistic religions? Do they not realize that jobs centered around sacrificial rites and feasts made up a large and significant percentage of the Roman and other ancient economies?

How can these same people be against ritual animal sacrifice and yet they say nothing about modern industrial factory-farming and the mechanistic slaughter of MILLIONS of chickens, turkey, cattle, fish and pigs EVERY DAY. Surely these two things differ in quantity and in spirit, and yet the most grievous practice of mechanical slaughter in industrial factory farms is permitted while apparently, relatively benign cultural, religious, ritual slaughter is not.

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, stand AGAINST this resolution in the name of cultural and religious freedom. We find this ban to be the highest of wrong-headed and hypocritical decisions, and We will fully support any endeavor in the future to REPEAL this travesty.

Vaktah Samajavadinaha Matrurajasya Shaktirajasya

[Wallenburg]

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, are home to many tribes and population groups who perform ritual animal sacrifice as part of their ancestral religions.

The State Religion of Shaktirajya is the Shakta sect of Hinduism in which animal sacrifice is an integral part in many lineages.

I will never understand this opposition to ritual animal sacrifice both among many Orthodox Hindus who have been infected by Christian, Buddhist, and Jain sensibilities, nor can I understand opposition to same among many neo-"pagans."

Do these people not realize that Do ut des Latin i.e. "I give that Thou may give..." is the essential creed of traditional polytheistic religions? Do they not realize that jobs centered around sacrificial rites and feasts made up a large and significant percentage of the Roman and other ancient economies?

How can these same people be against ritual animal sacrifice and yet they say nothing about modern industrial factory-farming and the mechanistic slaughter of MILLIONS of chickens, turkey, cattle, fish and pigs EVERY DAY. Surely these two things differ in quantity and in spirit, and yet the most grievous practice of mechanical slaughter in industrial factory farms is permitted while apparently, relatively benign cultural, religious, ritual slaughter is not.

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, stand AGAINST this resolution in the name of cultural and religious freedom. We find this ban to be the highest of wrong-headed and hypocritical decisions, and We will fully support any endeavor in the future to REPEAL this travesty.

Vaktah Samajavadinaha Matrurajasya Shaktirajasya

+1 did not read the resolution.

[Shaktirajya]

Delete. Double post.

[Shaktirajya]

+1 did not read the resolution.

So, how could we go about repealing this resolution?

I do not believe that one's subjective metaphysical and theological speculations should be allowed to curtail the cultural and religious freedom of other people.

The drafter of this resolution has even admitted that ritual sacrifice is an integral part of many people's belief-systems.

One can find ritual sacrifice among many tribes, population groups, and traditional societies. One can even find ritual sacrifice in the Abrahamic religions i.e. certain sects of Judaism and the "Qurbani" ritual among many Muslims.

[The United Provinces of Serbania]

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, are home to many tribes and population groups who perform ritual animal sacrifice as part of their ancestral religions.

The State Religion of Shaktirajya is the Shakta sect of Hinduism in which animal sacrifice is an integral part in many lineages.

I will never understand this opposition to ritual animal sacrifice both among many Orthodox Hindus who have been infected by Christian, Buddhist, and Jain sensibilities, nor can I understand opposition to same among many neo-"pagans."

Do these people not realize that Do ut des Latin i.e. "I give that Thou may give..." is the essential creed of traditional polytheistic religions? Do they not realize that jobs centered around sacrificial rites and feasts made up a large and significant percentage of the Roman and other ancient economies?

How can these same people be against ritual animal sacrifice and yet they say nothing about modern industrial factory-farming and the mechanistic slaughter of MILLIONS of chickens, turkey, cattle, fish and pigs EVERY DAY. Surely these two things differ in quantity and in spirit, and yet the most grievous practice of mechanical slaughter in industrial factory farms is permitted while apparently, relatively benign cultural, religious, ritual slaughter is not.

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, stand AGAINST this resolution in the name of cultural and religious freedom. We find this ban to be the highest of wrong-headed and hypocritical decisions, and We will fully support any endeavor in the future to REPEAL this travesty.

Vaktah Samajavadinaha Matrurajasya Shaktirajasya

Even though I am a Roman Catholic. I oppose this resolution and will support any resolution to REPEAL this breach of human rights.

[Mostly Benevolent Tyranny]

+1 did not read the resolution.

So, how could we go about repealing this resolution?

I do not believe that one's subjective metaphysical and theological speculations should be allowed to curtail the cultural and religious freedom of other people.

The drafter of this resolution has even admitted that ritual sacrifice is an integral part of many people's belief-systems.

One can find ritual sacrifice among many tribes, population groups, and traditional societies. One can even find ritual sacrifice in the Abrahamic religions i.e. certain sects of Judaism and the "Qurbani" ritual among many Muslims.

Seems the best way to do it would be to highlight the value of ritual sacrifice, honing in on when the participants are willingly offering themselves up for sacrifice, as the proposal would then conflict with the choices of individuals. A fairly strong, if slightly bizarre in the typical GA sense, case could be made on that account.

A less serious case could be made for ritual sacrifice actually being more of a benefit to sapient beings, in the sense that it releases them from life

[Excidium Planetis]

So, how could we go about repealing this resolution?

I do not believe that one's subjective metaphysical and theological speculations should be allowed to curtail the cultural and religious freedom of other people.

The drafter of this resolution has even admitted that ritual sacrifice is an integral part of many people's belief-systems.

One can find ritual sacrifice among many tribes, population groups, and traditional societies. One can even find ritual sacrifice in the Abrahamic religions i.e. certain sects of Judaism and the "Qurbani" ritual among many Muslims.

"You clearly still have not read the resolution. Qurbani is not outlawed by this resolution, since it is not ritual sacrifice of a sapient being, but of an animal." Delegate Blackbourne replies. "Vile as Islam is, it doesn't usually contain human sacrifice."

[Shaktirajya]

"You clearly still have not read the resolution. Qurbani is not outlawed by this resolution, since it is not ritual sacrifice of a sapient being, but of an animal." Delegate Blackbourne replies. "Vile as Islam is, it doesn't usually contain human sacrifice."

The resolution contains the following lines:

Defining "ritual sacrifice" as the intentional and ritualistic act of killing one or more other beings (a) as an offering to a god or spirit,

and

3. Urges member nations to ban the ritual sacrifice of animals and other sentient beings.

[Excidium Planetis]

The resolution contains the following lines:

Defining "ritual sacrifice" as the intentional and ritualistic act of killing one or more other beings (a) as an offering to a god or spirit,

and

3. Urges member nations to ban the ritual sacrifice of animals and other sentient beings.

"Urging member nations to do something is a suggestion, not a requirement." Blackbourne replies. "As others have pointed out many times. The resolution only bans the sacrifice of sapient beings, which require levels of intelligence similar to people."

[Shaktirajya]

"Urging member nations to do something is a suggestion, not a requirement." Blackbourne replies. "As others have pointed out many times. The resolution only bans the sacrifice of sapient beings, which require levels of intelligence similar to people."

The World Assembly is not the forum or platform to draft legislation making theological or ritual recommendations in matters of religion to its constituent member nations.

The resolution does not clearly define "sapient beings." Sapient means "knowing" or "having sense." Surely, animals like pigs or even dogs have been shown to demonstrate a certain intelligence. This term is vague and needs further clarification.

The title of the resolution is "Ban on Ritual Sacrifice" not "Ban on Ritual Human Sacrifice."

[Imperium Anglorum]

The World Assembly is not the forum or platform to draft legislation making theological or ritual recommendations in matters of religion to its constituent member nations.

Yes, it is. The WA, in-character, has plenary authority.

The resolution does not clearly define "sapient beings." Sapient means "knowing" or "having sense." Surely, animals like pigs or even dogs have been shown to demonstrate a certain intelligence. This term is vague and needs further clarification.

It doesn't need to, it's already defined.

The title of the resolution is "Ban on Ritual Sacrifice" not "Ban on Ritual Human Sacrifice."

Wow, you can copy-paste the title too?

[Sierra Lyricalia]

"The World Assembly defined sapience to a perfectly acceptable standard in GA Resolution 355, ambassador. There is no shortcoming here."

(OOC: See the "extant resolutions" link in my signature below.)

[Shaktirajya]

Yes, it is. The WA, in-character, has plenary authority.

I was not aware that the WA was the Office of the Holy Inquisition.

A recommendation to not carry out ritual sacrifice of sentient beings is the espousal of a Buddhist and Jain ethic, an ethic which my nation as a Shakta Hindu People's Republic does not follow. I do not appreciate another nation making pronouncements regarding our practice of bali or ritual sacrifice. This recommendation is also in contravention of the Islamic practice of Qurbani and Jewish ritual slaughter, to say nothing of the various forms of tribal custom and traditional polytheistic systems which carry out ritual sacrifice.

Wow, you can copy-paste the title too?

Don't patronize me.

[Attempted Socialism]

Yes, it is. The WA, in-character, has plenary authority.

I was not aware that the WA was the Office of the Holy Inquisition.

A recommendation to not carry out ritual sacrifice of sentient beings is the espousal of a Buddhist and Jain ethic, an ethic which my nation as a Shakta Hindu People's Republic does not follow. I do not appreciate another nation making pronouncements regarding our practice of bali or ritual sacrifice. This recommendation is also in contravention of the Islamic practice of Qurbani and Jewish ritual slaughter, to say nothing of the various forms of tribal custom and traditional polytheistic systems which carry out ritual sacrifice.

"And now, because an actual entity of higher authority has banned it, these religions will have to adapt to ethical concerns and stop their practises. Just reinterpret your foundational books, I'm sure you can find a way around it - there's probably some contradiction or other story somewhere that can be used.
I'm also not sure why you mention sentient there. If you don't want to follow the urging of the General Assembly, you don't actually have to. You're urged to ban all ritual sacrifice, but the only legal requirement is to improve your religion to exclude sacrifice of sapient entities."

[Excidium Planetis]

The World Assembly is not the forum or platform to draft legislation making theological or ritual recommendations in matters of religion to its constituent member nations.

"Well, I certainly thought it was." Blackbourne replies. "There isn't another suitable forum I am aware of."

The resolution does not clearly define "sapient beings." Sapient means "knowing" or "having sense." Surely, animals like pigs or even dogs have been shown to demonstrate a certain intelligence. This term is vague and needs further clarification.

"The World Assembly has already defined sapient beings in GA#355. If your delegation is not up to date on World Assembly legislation and so finds defined terms vague, it is not the fault of this proposal."

The title of the resolution is "Ban on Ritual Sacrifice" not "Ban on Ritual Human Sacrifice."

"Of course not. We aren't all humans, here, after all."

[Russian Federation white ethnostate]

The savages sho commit ritual sacrifices (jews, cannibals, American tribes and even african countries) should be punished for murder

[Ransium]

The savages sho commit ritual sacrifices (jews, cannibals, American tribes and even african countries) should be punished for murder

I can't see this reference to blood libels as anything but trolling. *** Warned for trolling ***

[Imperial Polk County]

For the record, ten repeal attempts so far. I'm such a popular guy.

[States of Glory WA Office]

For the record, ten repeal attempts so far. I'm such a popular guy.

OOC: Let's see if this can become the next NAPA or the next Reproductive Freedoms.

[Imperial Polk County]

For the record, ten repeal attempts so far. I'm such a popular guy.

OOC: Let's see if this can become the next NAPA or the next Reproductive Freedoms.

I doubt it. People will forget this eventually. That said... fourteen and counting. Didn't get a TG on one of them for some reason.

[Excidium Planetis]

OOC: Let's see if this can become the next NAPA or the next Reproductive Freedoms.

I doubt it. People will forget this eventually. That said... fourteen and counting. Didn't get a TG on one of them for some reason.

One of them was illegal because it wasn't in the Repeal category. You would not have been notified of that.

[Imperial Polk County]

I doubt it. People will forget this eventually. That said... fourteen and counting. Didn't get a TG on one of them for some reason.

One of them was illegal because it wasn't in the Repeal category. You would not have been notified of that.

Yes, that's exactly it. Speaking of which, we're now up to 15.