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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:22 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:I guess "Make Legislation Funny Again" is dead. People just can't take a joke. I'll be sure to remove the joke in clause 5 once I go back to drafting this.
(OOC: One of the main reasons people voted against "Ban on Secret Treaties" seems to have been the joke contained in the definition. Honestly, humour is a very risky move in an already contentions proposal. This is serious businesses!)

You seem to forget that Ban on Secret Treaties passed with a healthy majority, and has not seen any repeal attempts reach the general vote.
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Wallenburg wrote:"The import and export of goods infested with invasive species is inherently an international problem, ambassador."

(1) The eradication of invasive species is not an international issue. Your comment doesn't address this point.

"It is an international issue when foreigners bring invasive species into the country."
(2) We acknowledge, of course, that the import and export of goods, or trade, is an issue of international concern; but customs is not. By "customs," we refer to the administration of laws on trade and the collection of duties.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/customs

It is legitimate for the World Assembly to make laws on trade; but, as a general rule, the member states should administer them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_administration

"Member states would administer these mandates. The committee created in clause five only deals with removal of invasive species within member states, it is not involved in the inspection of international trade or the administration of penalties for infested goods."
Kolm wrote:I support this type of resolution; however, the proposal put forth does not match what I believe to be the best suitable option. I do not think we need another committee; rather, add it as a responsibility upheld by another existing committee.

Which committee do you suggest?
Furthermore, flamethrowers and other "violent" means of removal are not the best options; it would potentially damage the environment.

Acceptable losses.
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Postby Yakitzland » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:18 pm

Against, we cannot begin to imagine the damage your inferred methods could have over the environment we're trying to protect, neither can we accept a proposal that condones the extermination of life, especially not in the violent ways that have been suggested. An invasive species or not, it is a living organism and as such, should be given the proper respect, even during its re-allocation.

Accepting this proposal would be going against everything that our people believes and stands for, thus we cannot support it.

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:50 pm

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Postby Shaktirajya » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:49 pm

In concert with Our regional delegate Davelands, We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, hereby vote AGAINST this resolution. We Ourselves have no particularly strong opinions on this matter.

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Postby Cute Puppies » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:29 pm

"Against!" barks Mr Fluffers. "Tariffs and fines are poor deterrents of the spread of invasive species, and establishing a committee tasked with removing or destroying an entire invasive species - a ruff, if not impossible, task mind you - is a wasteful expense of World Assembly resources and financial aid! Yes, this proposal may have paw-sible benefits, but it comes at too great of a price!"

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Postby Ophaesia » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:21 am

After careful consideration, we at Ophaesia have decided to vote against the bill. While we agree that invasive species can be a major problem, we need to ensure that in our zeal to protect the environment we don't inadvertently destroy it and we believe that the gains from using chemicals and flamethrowers won't outweigh the losses.

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Postby The 24th Division » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:25 am

Agricultural ecosystems are, by their very nature, invasive ecosystems. All agricultural species are invasive species. This bill could be used to defend the invasive Agricultural biomes from invasion by species from a region's natural biomes. That could destroy the ecosystems of the surrounding natural biomes. The 24th Division must, therefore, vote against this bill.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:43 am

The 24th Division wrote:Agricultural ecosystems are, by their very nature, invasive ecosystems. All agricultural species are invasive species. This bill could be used to defend the invasive Agricultural biomes from invasion by species from a region's natural biomes. That could destroy the ecosystems of the surrounding natural biomes. The 24th Division must, therefore, vote against this bill.

Untrue. Also:
Wallenburg wrote:Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, "invasive species" as non-native species of non-sapient life that, upon introduction into or nearby the agricultural ecosystems of a member state, significantly imperil the health or productivity of those agricultural ecosystems,

+1 didn't read the resolution.
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Postby Russellandd » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:43 pm

Would be a good idea to not rid invasive species? Would be a better idea if these species behind bars.

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Postby Russellandd » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:46 pm

Russellandd wrote:Would be a good idea to not rid invasive species? Would be a better idea if these species behind bars.


More Russcoin for me.

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Postby Cute Puppies » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:48 pm

Russellandd wrote:Would be a good idea to not rid invasive species? Would be a better idea if these species behind bars.

"The ambassador of Russellandd makes a very good point," chuckles Mr Flufflers. "At this point, since we'll be pouring in all of our resources to sustain another committee, the Agricultural Invasive Species Removal Services, - alongside the alphabet soup of other WA committees - for an uphill battle in attempting to remove invasive species from agricultural ecosystems from a number of nations, we ought to sue the invasive species for being so damn hard and expensive to remove!"

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:00 pm

Cute Puppies wrote:
Russellandd wrote:Would be a good idea to not rid invasive species? Would be a better idea if these species behind bars.

"The ambassador of Russellandd makes a very good point," chuckles Mr Flufflers. "At this point, since we'll be pouring in all of our resources to sustain another committee, the Agricultural Invasive Species Removal Services, - alongside the alphabet soup of other WA committees - for an uphill battle in attempting to remove invasive species from agricultural ecosystems from a number of nations, we ought to sue the invasive species for being so damn hard and expensive to remove!"

Ogenbond raises his eyes from the evening newspaper. "My god," he gasps, "You're a genius! Jenny, write that down! We need that in the next iteration."
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

King of Snark, Real Piece of Work, Metabolizer of Oxygen, Old Man from The East Pacific, by the Malevolence of Her Infinite Terribleness Catherine Gratwick the Sole and True Claimant to the Bears Armed Vacancy, Protector of the Realm

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Postby Wrapper » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:50 am

"Agricultural Invasive Species Act" was defeated 11,452 votes to 8,193.

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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:35 am

Thank you, Wrapper. I thought I posted that last night, but it looks like I just left the post editor open overnight. :P

Thank you to everyone who supported this resolution. It seems that most opposition revolved around a couple elements that can be easily altered. I will be making tweaks to the text according to those concerns. With luck, a second edition of this resolution will arrive at vote fairly soon.
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

King of Snark, Real Piece of Work, Metabolizer of Oxygen, Old Man from The East Pacific, by the Malevolence of Her Infinite Terribleness Catherine Gratwick the Sole and True Claimant to the Bears Armed Vacancy, Protector of the Realm

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