[PASSED] Repeal "Marriage Equality"

[The Protestant Union]

"Well, no. I wouldn't, since nothing in the target resolution actually stops you from practicing your religion. Which freedom of religion is usually refers to your ability to practice your personal religion, not a guarantee that you can then tell others they can or can't do something because of your religion. But that's beside the point. Marriage Equality should be repealed, if by some miracle it passes, because its a poorly written train wreck that in reality, is already sufficiently covered by extant resolutions. In my opinion anyways."

I was about to post amazing way to say it then realized you just said that on mine as well

1) in order to be considered a citizen you have to be part of our religion
2) don't like it ...yes leave
3)We don't care if you don't like it....follow rule 2
4)Your friends and family probably will shun you if you aren't part of the religion so why stay?
5) you cant get a job here if you don't conform
So.....

Well maybe there's a problem with forcing people to be part of your relegion. That guy who made the anti-lgbtqa argument with religious freedom(totally redundant argument by the way), what do you have to say to those reasons?

Freedom of religion leads people to false religions. Out of a legitimate love and concern for our citizens, this cannot be. The Democratic-Theocracy of the Protestant Union stands by the idea that there are plenty of places for infidels and we will not obstruct them in leaving, but none will be allowed to stay and commit treason.

[Wallenburg]

"So, you're the reason we were saddled with that hot mess? We voted for this repeal so hard, the button got stuck."

"Damn it, Bell, now the repeal can only get 'FOR' votes! You've doomed us all!"

Freedom of religion leads people to false religions. Out of a legitimate love and concern for our citizens, this cannot be. The Democratic-Theocracy of the Protestant Union stands by the idea that there are plenty of places for infidels and we will not obstruct them in leaving, but none will be allowed to stay and commit treason.

IC: "If it is treasonous to follow a 'false' religion within your borders, then your government is in violation of the Charter of Civil Rights."

OOC:

[Candlewhisper Archive]

The Archive Deliberative has "regognized" that the passage of the aforementioned resolution has now provided sufficient meme fodder to keep our online populace going for the next month or so.

That having been achieved, we are very glad to see this horrendously unprofessional piece of legislation be well on its way towards repeal. However, we also greatly look forward to seeing a properly drafted, properly edited and properly effective replacement legislation, to encode the key principles of marital equality within WA law, and we're preemptively pledging support to any who pursue such legislation.

Presuming they can avoid spelling errors, that is.

[The Bible Baptist Republic]

Hi!
I had the privilege of being one of the authors of the "Marriage Equality" proposal. I am more of a Libertarian than a traditional conservative, but there is a reason for conservatives to vote against the repeal of the current Marriage Equality resolution.

1: The current resolution protects religious liberty, and we have no guarantee that a new proposal will include such protection.
2: if you vote for the repeal of the resolution, it will not change the fact that marriage equality is the law of the land, according to the repeal, saying that the resolution is redundant.
3: the repeal contracts itself by saying "Calling for replacement of this legislation ... with a well-drafted reasonably coherent replacement," at the same time it calls the resolution redundant?

Please vote against this resolution.

Uhm, not only is my answer to your request a "no", but a "no" raised to the power of infinity HELL NO!

How does the repeal contract itself? Is it schizophrenic and made a offer and acceptance to itself? What is the consideration? -- You can take it from there Ambassador Bell...

[The Bible Baptist Republic]

"Voting for...I can't wait to burn a copy of Marriage Equality."

I had my copy printed on soft paper and soon I'll be putting it to good use.

[Lingang]

"The Dictatorial Federation strongly supports and has voted for the repeal, however we do not wish to see any "replacement" legislation of any sort." - Linganese Ambassador to the WA Donald Seacrest

[Cyll]

The Queendom of Cyll has voted to repeal this embarrassing legislation.

[Montenbourg]

"We are big and vast and diverse; a nation of people with different backgrounds and beliefs, different experiences and stories, but bound by our shared ideal that no matter who you are or what you look like, how you started off, or how and who you love, Montenbourg is a place where you can write your own destiny. We are a people who believe that every single child is entitled to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There’s so much more work to be done to extend the full promise of Montenbourg to every Montenbourgian. But today, we can say in no uncertain terms that we’ve made our union a little more perfect. Gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights, and that the Kingdom of Montenbourg would be a leader in defending those rights, marriage equality is one of this universal rights.

Now there were some countries that did not want to hear that. But I believe Monenbourg is at its best when we champion the freedom and dignity of every human being. That's who we are. It's in our DNA. And as Queen, I had the privilege to represent that Montenbourg to the world. . LGBT Montenbourgians are our colleagues, our teachers, our soldiers, our friends, our loved ones. And they are full and equal citizens and deserve the rights of citizenship here in Montenbourg and around the World. That includes marriage. That's why I support marriage for lesbian and gay couples. Thats why I support the Marriage Equality Bill. I support it personally and as a matter of policy and law, imbedded in a broader effort to advance equality and opportunity for LGBT Montenbourgians. Like so many others my personal views have been shaped over time by people I have known and loved. By my experience representing our nation on the world stage. My devotion to law and human rights and the guiding principles of my faith. Marriage after all is a fundamental building block of our society and we need to protect it.

I hope that as we discuss and debate, whether it's around a kitchen table or in the public square, we do so in a spirit of respect and understanding. Conversations with our friends, our families, our congregations, our coworkers are opportunities to share our own reflections and to invite others to share theirs. They give us a chance to find that common ground and a path forward. For those of us who lived through the long years of the civil rights and women's rights movements, the speed with which more and more people have come to embrace the dignity and equality of LGBT Montenbourgians has banned breath taking and inspiring. We see it all around us every day in major cultural statements and in quiet family moments.

But the journey is far from over and therefore we must keep working to make our country freer and fairer. And to continue to inspire the faith the world puts in our leadership. In doing so, we will keep moving closer and closer to that more perfect union promised to us all. Thats why Montenbourg will defend LGBT rights here and around the world. We say no to Repeal the Marriage Equality Bill!

Thank you and lets fight for a Better World"

HRH Queen Grace of Montenbourg
Queen-Consort of the King

[United Counties of Northern Nevada]

How does the repeal contract itself? Is it schizophrenic and made a offer and acceptance to itself? What is the consideration? -- You can take it from there Ambassador Bell...

The repeal contracts itself by saying that "Marriage Equality" is redundant, at the same time the repeal calls for a better-drafted replacement of "Marriage Equality"

Does that make sense?

[Tzorsland]

Missy walks up with a uke in the shape of a pineapple ...

"We had joy, we had fun
We had seasons in the sun
But this thing we just passed
Has now come to die at last."

[Fauxia]

Missy walks up with a uke in the shape of a pineapple ...

"We had joy, we had fun
We had seasons in the sun
But this thing we just passed
Has now come to die at last."

“Beautiful”

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

I was about to post amazing way to say it then realized you just said that on mine as well

Well maybe there's a problem with forcing people to be part of your relegion. That guy who made the anti-lgbtqa argument with religious freedom(totally redundant argument by the way), what do you have to say to those reasons?

Freedom of religion leads people to false religions. Out of a legitimate love and concern for our citizens, this cannot be. The Democratic-Theocracy of the Protestant Union stands by the idea that there are plenty of places for infidels and we will not obstruct them in leaving, but none will be allowed to stay and commit treason.

Teran Saber: "And what defines a false religion? Is a false religion one that has been scientifically proven false, or is it simply one that isn't your religion?"

"You can argue all you want about which religions are true or false, but at the end of the day the argument is unfalsifiable and thus unscientific in nature. And logic dictates that unscientific arguments be ignored."

[Fauxia]

Freedom of religion leads people to false religions. Out of a legitimate love and concern for our citizens, this cannot be. The Democratic-Theocracy of the Protestant Union stands by the idea that there are plenty of places for infidels and we will not obstruct them in leaving, but none will be allowed to stay and commit treason.

Teran Saber: "And what defines a false religion? Is a false religion one that has been scientifically proven false, or is it simply one that isn't your religion?"

"You can argue all you want about which religions are true or false, but at the end of the day the argument is unfalsifiable and thus unscientific in nature. And logic dictates that unscientific arguments be ignored."

“But, but, but, but- you’re an infidel!”

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

Teran Saber: "And what defines a false religion? Is a false religion one that has been scientifically proven false, or is it simply one that isn't your religion?"

"You can argue all you want about which religions are true or false, but at the end of the day the argument is unfalsifiable and thus unscientific in nature. And logic dictates that unscientific arguments be ignored."

“But, but, but, but- you’re an infidel!”

Teran Saber: "Pretty sure many human religions would be more likely to call a Siriusian a demon."

[Dragonslinding WA Mission]

Ser Aegon Snow rose to address the General Assembly. "Esteemed Ambassadors and others, I rise in support of this repeal. It is the view of his majesty's government that marriage is a religious institution and as such not the business of kings and queens appointed by the gods. That being said, we would prefer that replacement legislation not be taken up. As stated in the body of the repeal resolution, the 'problem' that was to be addressed by GAR#410 had already been addressed by GAR#35. I will quote that passage here.

General Assembly Resolution 35, Article 1, Section c ) All inhabitants of member states have the right not to be and indeed must not be discriminated against on grounds including sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity, or any other arbitrarily assigned and reductive categorisation which may be used for the purposes of discrimination, except for compelling practical purposes, such as hiring only female staff to work with battered women who have sought refuge from their abusers.

"As we can see, assuming that marriage is a state institution in a member state, marriage equality for all people is already a given fact. In states where the institution of marriage is not a matter of the state, Dragonslund for example, it would fall under the prerogative of the body responsible for it. In the case of Dragonslund specifically these bodies would the the Church of the Seven, and the other various religious bodies of the kingdom.

"As for the matter of what is and is not a recognized religious institution that is a matter for member nations to determine for themselves."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Article 2, section (a).

[Dragonslinding WA Mission]

Article 2, section (a).

Resolution 35, Article 2.

a ) Unfair and unreasonable discrimination, on the grounds outlined in clause c) of article 1 of this resolution, in private employment, housing, education, employment benefits, compensations and access to services provided to the general public shall be prohibited by all member states.

"We would consider that it be a requirement to be a member of the Church of the Seven to be a Septon/Septa, the same would be true of other religious bodies. Housing is completely a private matter, and provided that the smallfolk don't build their hovels in the middle of their fields I doubt the Great Houses or for that matter the lesser ones concern themselves, and his majesty not at all. As for education, it is the a matter for the various regions to see to that, suffice it to say that a small person who is quite smart can learn to read and advance through education, provided that they don't starve to death or die of pestilence first. Generally though such small persons are not strictly speaking the peasantry The state does not concern itself with compensations at all unless you mean by that paying for goods and for military service. And we're not even sure what "access to services provide to the general public" even means

"With Dragonslund there is a great deal of matters that the Crown, and the Great Houses for that matter, simply do not concern themselves with, as would be expected of a feudal society."

[ArstotzkaBestCountry]

In the Eyes of the Glorious Meritocracy of Arstotzka. Culturally; Homosexuality is looked down upon, however according to law and the very basis of what makes our nation tick Homosexuality is neither banned nor, prevented from achieving marriage licencing. However at the very least our Homosexuals recognizing that the larger general public will look down upon them, makes them smart enough not to announce to the world that they are indeed homosexual.

Also Homosexuals are still expected by law to provide to the state children, whether it is by donating to your nearest sperm bank, and or being surrogate to another's child.

They are not expected to take care of the child if they do not wish to keep it, in the context of lesbian couples; the Glorious Nation of Arstotzka needs soldiers you know, those trenches don't man themselves up you know. Besides joining the Military is good for building character... probably... if they survive basic training and actually make it to the front lines and all that.

But hey if their parent's didn't even want them who even cares anyway?

[Separatist Peoples]

In the Eyes of the Glorious Meritocracy of Arstotzka. Culturally; Homosexuality is looked down upon, however according to law and the very basis of what makes our nation tick Homosexuality is neither banned nor, prevented from achieving marriage licencing. However at the very least our Homosexuals recognizing that the larger general public will look down upon them, makes them smart enough not to announce to the world that they are indeed homosexual.

Also Homosexuals are still expected by law to provide to the state children, whether it is by donating to your nearest sperm bank, and or being surrogate to another's child.

They are not expected to take care of the child if they do not wish to keep it, in the context of lesbian couples; the Glorious Nation of Arstotzka needs soldiers you know, those trenches don't man themselves up you know. Besides joining the Military is good for building character... probably... if they survive basic training and actually make it to the front lines and all that.

But hey if their parent's didn't even want them who even cares anyway?

"You can't force women to bear children to term under WA law. Forcing lesbians to be surrogates is illegal."

[Ziltoidia Greys]

"This august World Assembly..."

That, right there, is worth a no vote from me, and that's not even counting the numerous flaws with this resolution.

[Willania Imperium]

"This august World Assembly..."

That, right there, is worth a no vote from me, and that's not even counting the numerous flaws with this resolution.

“How about you tell us why, instead of just saying that and expecting everyone to agree with?”

[Fauxia]

"This august World Assembly..."

That, right there, is worth a no vote from me, and that's not even counting the numerous flaws with this resolution.

“You aren’t allowed to shmooze the voters? Without making a promise?”

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Regardless of all that:

Repeal "Marriage Equality" was passed 12,704 votes to 3,219.

[Willania Imperium]

Regardless of all that:

Repeal "Marriage Equality" was passed 12,704 votes to 3,219.

"Thank goodness for that! Let's hope that this never happens again!"

[Mushat]

The Commonwealth votes no to the repeal based on cost and bureaucracy. It is far cheaper with a something called 'Request for Change is used when it is to do with the grammatical writing of such documents. It would take fivr minutes for a 17 year old clerk to put a document in a spell checker. Rather than over 2000 of a nation's currency to debate it for the next 7 pages. A complete and utter waste of time and money. It's the taxpayer that pays me to sit here to debate such drivel. Thus debate is likened to a debate on Monday as to what would like to have for lunch on Friday.

Summary

Votes no because it's a pointless vote because someone didn't spell check the document

Votes no because it takes 7 pages to debate it, quite a lot of delegates to spend time looking at it when there is a loss of common sense where a faster method has not been implemented nor a suggestion of a rule change concerning this very example of bureaucracy.

OOC: You can't change resolutions after they are passed. The repeal even points this out. If you want to fix a spelling error, the only way to do it is to repeal the resolution and pass a correct version again.

Then when this was at discussion. Creators must be seen to fix those errors in the first instance before allowing it to be put to a vote otherwise motion in to be thrown out or extendthe debated time for those errors to be fixed.

As much as in other voting debates, creators do fix their errors once pointed out to them