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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:42 am

Dragonslinding WA Mission wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It is finally dead! :hug:


Not necessarily. The Keshilandians could reintroduce it to WA. The Gensec ruled it as legal, even if just barely, and a concerted delegate campaign could conceivably manage to get it to the floor.

The last time one of these repeals got to a vote it was soundly defeated
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Postby Dilange » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:44 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Dragonslinding WA Mission wrote:
Not necessarily. The Keshilandians could reintroduce it to WA. The Gensec ruled it as legal, even if just barely, and a concerted delegate campaign could conceivably manage to get it to the floor.

The last time one of these repeals got to a vote it was soundly defeated

Some of us weren't around for the whole "Legalizing Prostitution" debacle.
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Araraukar
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:48 am

Dilange wrote:Some of us weren't around for the whole "Legalizing Prostitution" debacle.

Those of us can call themselves lucky. :P
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Postby Dilange » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:50 am

Araraukar wrote:
Dilange wrote:Some of us weren't around for the whole "Legalizing Prostitution" debacle.

Those of us can call themselves lucky. :P

Pass, repeal, blocker, and repeal blocker attempt in 3 months was insane, and I never want to be apart of that ever again.

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Dragonslinding WA Mission
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Postby Dragonslinding WA Mission » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Dragonslinding WA Mission wrote:
Not necessarily. The Keshilandians could reintroduce it to WA. The Gensec ruled it as legal, even if just barely, and a concerted delegate campaign could conceivably manage to get it to the floor.

The last time one of these repeals got to a vote it was soundly defeated


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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:53 pm

Dragonslinding WA Mission wrote:"I hope that you are right, however, I have low expectations for this 'august' body. Given a long enough and sustained enough campaign I'd imagine that just about anything can be passed."

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Postby Secundus Imperium Romanum » Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:55 am

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:19 am

Ooc: Why was this resubmitted? There have been no alteratioms, edits, or changes in the voting climate to suggest any material change in the outcome.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:56 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: Why was this resubmitted? There have been no alteratioms, edits, or changes in the voting climate to suggest any material change in the outcome.

OOC: Because Keshiland has demonstrated a consistent ability to disregard pretty much any and all advise?
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The New California Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:44 pm

OOC: This was actually resubmitted? Really, Keshiland, really? Repeatedly resubmitting the same proposal with no changes is just as distasteful - if not more so - as submitting a ton of crappy proposals in the hope that one will slip through. Even if, IF, this reaches quorum, it doesn't stand a chance, as a lot of delegates have already said they will vote against it.
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Postby Keshiland » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:47 pm

Cause I telegraphed my campaign for it to all delicates and it worked
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:13 pm

Keshiland wrote:Cause I telegraphed my campaign for it to all delicates and it worked

OOC: If you want to waste time and money using mass telegrams to merely give this proposal a snowflake's chance in hell of succeeding, then that is your prerogative I suppose...
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:24 pm

Keshiland wrote:Cause I telegraphed my campaign for it to all delicates and it worked


It hasn't worked. Don't say it did until it does.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:12 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:
Keshiland wrote:Cause I telegraphed my campaign for it to all delicates and it worked
It hasn't worked. Don't say it did until it does.
OOC: It's not my impression that an appeal to reason (Or honesty?) is effective here...


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The Greater Siriusian Domain
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:16 pm

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Postby The Sheika » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:18 pm

Keshiland wrote:Cause I telegraphed my campaign for it to all delicates and it worked


Yes, you resorted to a telegram campaign. Has it worked? *checks approval count* Eh...fifty-seven so far. I think the pretense that you campaigned is a little weak, but if you're satisfied with that stance, it's your repeal attempt. It is a little early to say "it worked" seeing as you could still make quorum but lose when it goes to an actual vote.

As it stands, I do not support a repeal.
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Araraukar
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:42 pm

Keshiland wrote:Cause I telegraphed my campaign for it to all delicates and it worked

OOC: If it was as well-written as most of your posts here, I really have to wonder...

EDIT: Also, please please don't resubmit it yet again without fixing the language of the proposal, it reads like something written by an 11-year-old with severe linguistic impairment.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:41 am

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Repeatedly resubmitting the same proposal with no changes is just as distasteful - if not more so - as submitting a ton of crappy proposals in the hope that one will slip through.

OOC: Nonsense. It's perfectly legal to do this, and if for some reason the author can't manage a campaign then trying to accumulate support gradually through repeated exposure is probably the only way by which they can hope to get their proposal to the floor.
AFAIK the record is fifteen times, which was for a 'historical' proposal (before stamps, and probably before anybody had produced a campaigning script, but I think not before TG campaigning was possible)... and that did pass.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:20 am

Bears Armed wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Repeatedly resubmitting the same proposal with no changes is just as distasteful - if not more so - as submitting a ton of crappy proposals in the hope that one will slip through.

OOC: Nonsense. It's perfectly legal to do this, and if for some reason the author can't manage a campaign then trying to accumulate support gradually through repeated exposure is probably the only way by which they can hope to get their proposal to the floor.
AFAIK the record is fifteen times, which was for a 'historical' proposal (before stamps, and probably before anybody had produced a campaigning script, but I think not before TG campaigning was possible)... and that did pass.


I'm guessing not the hippo one. :p
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:23 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC: Nonsense. It's perfectly legal to do this, and if for some reason the author can't manage a campaign then trying to accumulate support gradually through repeated exposure is probably the only way by which they can hope to get their proposal to the floor.
AFAIK the record is fifteen times, which was for a 'historical' proposal (before stamps, and probably before anybody had produced a campaigning script, but I think not before TG campaigning was possible)... and that did pass.


I'm guessing not the hippo one. :p

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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:34 am

Bears Armed wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Repeatedly resubmitting the same proposal with no changes is just as distasteful - if not more so - as submitting a ton of crappy proposals in the hope that one will slip through.

OOC: Nonsense. It's perfectly legal to do this, and if for some reason the author can't manage a campaign then trying to accumulate support gradually through repeated exposure is probably the only way by which they can hope to get their proposal to the floor.
AFAIK the record is fifteen times, which was for a 'historical' proposal (before stamps, and probably before anybody had produced a campaigning script, but I think not before TG campaigning was possible)... and that did pass.


OOC: It's perfectly legal... but it's literally insane. :p
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The New California Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:28 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Repeatedly resubmitting the same proposal with no changes is just as distasteful - if not more so - as submitting a ton of crappy proposals in the hope that one will slip through.

OOC: Nonsense. It's perfectly legal to do this.

OOC: I never questioned its legality, I questioned whether it is tasteful to do so. I know perfectly well that it is legal to resubmit. I have no problem with resubmission, if it is a well written, meaningful, and constructive proposal. However, if the proposal that is being resubmitted is complete crap, with spelling mistakes, punctuation errors, no real content, and ignoring all sound advice, then that is entirely different...
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Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Drachmaland
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Postby Drachmaland » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:34 pm

Sorry, I'm not a native speaker of the English language — but what does "this resolution fails to relies" mean?

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Ex-Nation

Postby Dragonslinding WA Mission » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:49 pm

Drachmaland wrote:Sorry, I'm not a native speaker of the English language — but what does "this resolution fails to relies" mean?


It means the author of the repeal couldn't be bothered to proofread it. I believe the intended passage is "fails to realize".
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Postby Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:14 pm

Guys, Guys, Guys, This is the same guy that proposed Bluexit, and uniting the Americas
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