[PASSED] Ban on Leaded Fuel

[The Dark Star Republic]

Does any country in NS actually use leaded gas?

There seem to be some storefronts selling leaded fuel in GE&T, so reasonable assumption is yes.

[Shaktirajya]

In keeping with our government policy to champion the cause of the environment, seen as a manifestation of the Goddess Herself, at the expense of industry, we, the Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya votes FOR this resolution.

Undersigned,
Vaktrih Rajarajeshwaaryaah Hypaatyaah Sophyaah Matrurajyasya Shaktirajyasa

[Wrapper]

Votes Against: 1,520: HMS Unicorn (446)

Uh oh.

[Mereon]

The Republic of Mereon banned leaded fuels a long time ago, and as such, will support this.

[Potted Plants United]

The Paramedics carry Deputy Ambassador Schulz, obviously suffering from a slight carbon monoxide posioning, out of the room. Associate Ambassador Barber, having been hastily alerted rushes in from the bar. "Wha'ss 'oing on 'ere 'en, eh? Whooooo's poisened poor Roland, eh?"

A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"As previously indicated, we have cast our vote for this proposal.

Also, fellow ambassadors need not be alarmed with noxious exhaust gases - this speaker plant is able to clean the air soon enough to make the chamber safe again for most humanoids."

[Hakio]

Votes Against: 1,520: HMS Unicorn (446)

Uh oh.

HMS Unicorn is wielding his Delegate power crotch to destroy all of our environments! Shame on you Unicorn! SHAME ON YOU!!

Hedishi's Secretary cautiously approaches.
"Ms. Hedishi, are you smoking meth again?"

That's none of your business Cork-eye!

[Escanthea]

I have decided to seriously enact a policy in Escanthea exterminating all bears (and ponies) until this thing is defeated

[Normlpeople]

I have decided to seriously enact a policy in Escanthea exterminating all bears (and ponies) until this thing is defeated

"I may be mistaken, so could the good ambassador clarify for me that they are not advocating an act of genocide in direct violation of GAR #38?

[Defwa]

I have decided to seriously enact a policy in Escanthea exterminating all bears (and ponies) until this thing is defeated

"I may be mistaken, so could the good ambassador clarify for me that they are not advocating an act of genocide in direct violation of GAR #38?

Maybe he means the non sapient ones? But then that would violate hunting regulations.
Not really a logical response either way.

[Jakuso]

Having made much discussion, I as Ambassador for the Kingdom of Yakus can announce that Yakus shall be voting FOR this resolution.

[Chester Pearson]

Having made much discussion, I as Ambassador for the Kingdom of Yakus can announce that Yakus shall be voting FOR this resolution.

Uh Huh.... Are you sure you are a sovereignist?

What happened to:

But some people may not be able to afford the additives. I know for a fact they are expensive.

People don't put the additives in the fuel, the fuel-making company does. If only thing available is unleaded fuel, the people either buy it to drive their cars or they don't drive. Simple as that.

That would be a harsh blow to our people, one I would not vote to support.

Those people are some of our poorest, people who just can't afford a new car or a slight tax raise.

Some people in rural areas use older vehicles as they don't have access to newer vehicles. I must ask whether this really is a matter for the WA?

So... even if this proposal were to actually increase taxes (which it doesn't), you would rather poison your people than tax them. Is this correct?

OOC: Seriously, did you read any of the links I posted above? Some of them point out that there's been an overall cost benefit of unleaded fuel over the past thirty-ish years.

Not enough leaded fuel being used to have a severe effect on our people. We would rather leave it be.

If its not enough to hurt people then your nation must not be using any anyway so the impact should be non substantial if this is passed.
Just because its not a problem in your nation does not mean it isn't a problem in others. We've seen live examples in this discussion of governments willfully ignoring the health effects or putting miniscule profit or saving a little labor over the wellbeing of their population- especially their children.
Make the world better with this resolution.

Forgive me, I Can't see this resolution making much difference environmentally. The atmosphere is already suffering. Yakus is an archipelago in the ocean some distance from any other country. I can't imagine Yakusan emissions making any difference to any other countries, especially at the low levels equivalent to our use of leaded fuel.

You heard him, everyone. The environment is dead. Nothing we can do about it. Everybody go home.

I'm suggesting we focus on something more important, like a resolution to reduce carbon emissions, not to ban leaded fuel.

"Fortunately, ambassador, we have time to work on multiple issues at once, both big and small. Although only one resolution can be passed at a time, the few days that takes is more then short enough to allow for action on such problems. Frankly, the Jakusan refusal to use unleaded product is mystifying, as ethanol is a much cheaper, safer, and readily accessible alternative. Saves more lead for bullets, I imagine."

Yakus does produce oil products, including UNLEADED petroleum. We use UNLEADED petroleum mostly, but there are SOME who still use LEADED fuels. And also, it would not really benefit us to ban leaded fuels.

And also:

Having seen the records of this debate, Yakus has decided to vote AGAINST this resolution in order to prevent tax raise havoc.

Yakus would be AGAINST this as we have a large number of people still using old cars running leaded fuel.

I am willing to bet this:

For: 2,448. Against: 1,889.

has a lot to do with your decision Ambassador. If this vote flips I know you will be the first one singing down this resolution, so I took the opportunity to quote you so those cannot be changed.

I will say one thing about you Ambassador. For a lemming, you sure are a vocal one.....

[Ainocra]

I am personally ambivalent on this. I will wait until the opinion polls from my fellow islanders are in before I make a determination

[Araraukar]

*snip*

Chester, your vendetta against the silly newbie ambassador is getting, well, silly. Nations are allowed to change their official opinions - the poor sod's probably heard from his superiors back home or something.

OOC: At the very least spoiler the list of spoilers, please? Or put the quotes under a single spoiler?

[Chester Pearson]

Chester, your vendetta against the silly newbie ambassador is getting, well, silly.

Not a vendetta at all. Just proving a point....

[Macwick]

My government likes the idea of this proposal but I have been instructed to vote against and so I am here today to explain my nation’s decision.

Firstly however I would like to express our appreciation of the use of time scales for the implementation of this proposal by the esteemed representative from Bears Armed Mission.

My government would be happy to restrict the number of vehicles that use leaded fuel that we produce and import. In fact we would even be happy not to produce or import any after four years.

The problem for us is in clauses 2 and 3. We recognise that in line with the production and importation of leaded fuel vehicles we should stop the growth of the use of leaded fuel, but we cannot accept that we shouldn’t have any vehicles using leaded fuel after four years. We feel this adversely affects the poorest in our society who own their own vehicle.

We also feel that it is ludicrous to allow the purchasing of new vehicles that run on leaded fuels and then the next year ban the selling of the leaded fuel the car is designed for. We feel that there should be a further length of time from the ending of the production and importing of vehicles that use leaded fuel for the owners of these vehicles to have them converted and for the additives for unleaded fuel to be developed. We thought ten years would be a good idea because private vehicles are lasting longer every year with the average life being just over 10 years. However we would find 6 years acceptable.

This is because we have a ten year rolling program for replacing military hardware and a four year deadline to abolish the use of leaded fuel in our military vehicles is a government expense we wish to avoid.

Hopefully my colleagues here will take on board the real problems we see with this proposal and vote against it so that one that addresses these concerns can be passed.

[Defwa]

Is your military so poor that its using the same outdated fuel technology as the poorest of your nation? Odds are, if they're so poor as to still require leaded fuel vehicles which most nations all but abandoned decades ago, that ten year vehicular life cycle is long gone anyway.

[Panait]

We wholeheartedly support this resolution. Our government will be pleased to see a world where pollution from leaded fuel will be reducing for years to come, not that any of our vehicles or equivalent have been using leaded fuel for the past 10 years.

[Jakuso]

Having made much discussion, I as Ambassador for the Kingdom of Yakus can announce that Yakus shall be voting FOR this resolution.

Uh Huh.... Are you sure you are a sovereignist?

What happened to:

But some people may not be able to afford the additives. I know for a fact they are expensive.

That would be a harsh blow to our people, one I would not vote to support.

Those people are some of our poorest, people who just can't afford a new car or a slight tax raise.

Some people in rural areas use older vehicles as they don't have access to newer vehicles. I must ask whether this really is a matter for the WA?

Not enough leaded fuel being used to have a severe effect on our people. We would rather leave it be.

Forgive me, I Can't see this resolution making much difference environmentally. The atmosphere is already suffering. Yakus is an archipelago in the ocean some distance from any other country. I can't imagine Yakusan emissions making any difference to any other countries, especially at the low levels equivalent to our use of leaded fuel.

I'm suggesting we focus on something more important, like a resolution to reduce carbon emissions, not to ban leaded fuel.

Yakus does produce oil products, including UNLEADED petroleum. We use UNLEADED petroleum mostly, but there are SOME who still use LEADED fuels. And also, it would not really benefit us to ban leaded fuels.

And also:

Having seen the records of this debate, Yakus has decided to vote AGAINST this resolution in order to prevent tax raise havoc.

Yakus would be AGAINST this as we have a large number of people still using old cars running leaded fuel.

I am willing to bet this:

For: 2,448. Against: 1,889.

has a lot to do with your decision Ambassador. If this vote flips I know you will be the first one singing down this resolution, so I took the opportunity to quote you so those cannot be changed.

I will say one thing about you Ambassador. For a lemming, you sure are a vocal one.....

Really? Really? Really? REALLY?



Wow... You just can't accept anything can you. Look, now I'm actually supporting one of your leftist proposals and you're STILL having a go at me! Honestly I don't even know why I bother.

And FYI, this isn't exactly a matter of NatSov, no this is different in case you failed to notice.

[Jakuso]

*snip*

Chester, your vendetta against the silly newbie ambassador is getting, well, silly. Nations are allowed to change their official opinions - the poor sod's probably heard from his superiors back home or something.

OOC: At the very least spoiler the list of spoilers, please? Or put the quotes under a single spoiler?

I'll have you know that it was an independent decision. Why can't you respect that? I might just WITHDRAW my vote. You people really are argumentative for the sake of it, I see why you all hog the WA debates now...

[Araraukar]

I'll have you know that it was an independent decision. Why can't you respect that? I might just WITHDRAW my vote. You people really are argumentative for the sake of it, I see why you all hog the WA debates now...

OOC: I'm on your side here, and gave you an RP excuse for the mind change; your ambassador having heard from back home (aka whereever your nation is) where the political situation has changed, so that he's been told to vote yes.

[Bears Armed Mission]

Does any country in NS actually use leaded gas?

At least the several that have already posted in this thread...

[Separatist Peoples]

Really? Really? Really? REALLY?



Wow... You just can't accept anything can you. Look, now I'm actually supporting one of your leftist proposals and you're STILL having a go at me! Honestly I don't even know why I bother.

And FYI, this isn't exactly a matter of NatSov, no this is different in case you failed to notice.

"I believe the point was to prove that all your braying and political handwringing is little more then noise to cover an infantile desire to be "right". Who's side Jakuso is on is, really, entirely meaningless to everybody, ambassador."

[Wrapper]

We prefer to think that our skilled debate, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that (1) leaded fuel is harmful, (2) the cost of using unleaded fuel over leaded fuel is negligible, and (3) any costs in switching over are offset by reduced costs in health care, automobile maintenance and repair, and fuel economy, has shed some light on this issue.

Or it could be that the Yakusan ambassador is a lemming in disguise.

But we'll go with our first argument.

[Mallorea and Riva]

...snip...

has a lot to do with your decision Ambassador. If this vote flips I know you will be the first one singing down this resolution, so I took the opportunity to quote you so those cannot be changed.

I will say one thing about you Ambassador. For a lemming, you sure are a vocal one.....

If you're going to quote that many things you might as well contain them all under a single spoiler for the sake of everyone else please.

-MallMod

[Jakuso]

We prefer to think that our skilled debate, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that (1) leaded fuel is harmful, (2) the cost of using unleaded fuel over leaded fuel is negligible, and (3) any costs in switching over are offset by reduced costs in health care, automobile maintenance and repair, and fuel economy, has shed some light on this issue.

Or it could be that the Yakusan ambassador is a lemming in disguise.

But we'll go with our first argument.

No I am not a lemming. Now stop suggesting otherwise, I find it a tad rude.