[DEFEATED] Liberate Capitalist Paradise

[Acario]

To you, perhaps. To me? It's a statement.

Gameplay is done fucking over roleplay.

That's a sentiment Afforess shares, as well. He posted his version of Liberate Haven for the exact reason I said in that thread. The mods waited until everybody was past their peak anger point, until Mall let his proposal die, and then they quickly closed down the only threads that were keeping a fire lit under their asses. Afforess posted Liberate Haven to keep the controversy alive, because he believes (rightly, imo) that the only thing that will force admins to add an opt-out to R/D is sustained and loud protest. That was obvious to anybody who has actually spoken at length with Afforess, and it's something he probably would have told anybody who asked him straightforwardly.

I believe you are right about his reasoning as I talked to him about the draft shortly after he posted it. Though I do not think we will be getting an opt-out feature since allowing R/D to target any region makes the site revenue through people purchasing stamps.

As for this proposal, Capitalist Paradise should not have been targeted and if your quarrel was with Afforess, it should have been kept between you and Afforess. Capitalist Paradise has traditionally voted against liberate proposals used for R/D to gain access into a region and we inform our WA members about the vote as well. Here is a RMB post from when Liberate Haven was up for vote:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=6541907

As the Delegate of Capitalist Paradise I can assure you that we were not part of the regions who approved the proposal for it to reach quorum and that I and the majority of CP voted against the proposal when it reached the floor.

[The Grim Reaper]

That's a sentiment Afforess shares, as well. He posted his version of Liberate Haven for the exact reason I said in that thread. The mods waited until everybody was past their peak anger point, until Mall let his proposal die, and then they quickly closed down the only threads that were keeping a fire lit under their asses. Afforess posted Liberate Haven to keep the controversy alive, because he believes (rightly, imo) that the only thing that will force admins to add an opt-out to R/D is sustained and loud protest. That was obvious to anybody who has actually spoken at length with Afforess, and it's something he probably would have told anybody who asked him straightforwardly.

Surprisingly, RPers have every right to get pissed off regardless of whether it's a Defender or a Raider proposing to liberate Haven.

Whodathunk that RPers aren't an extension of defenderdom?

[New Hyperia]

Aura Hyperia will stand in solidarity with Capitalist Paradise as we do with all other targets of false liberations.

[Elke and Elba]

Though I'd say this proposal's intent is getting sillier by the day - with Afforess showing himself not to be, eh, that Capitalist in his "generous giving through NS", I must say that the response by CP is by far the silliest.

Really? Is there a need, eh?

[Maltropia]

Though I'd say this proposal's intent is getting sillier by the day - with Afforess showing himself not to be, eh, that Capitalist in his "generous giving through NS", I must say that the response by CP is by far the silliest.

Really? Is there a need, eh?

It's like they want this to pass.

[Nation of Quebec]

It's good to see that this resolution is upsetting more people. Hopefully enough people realize that this is a foolish, revenge-based resolution that has no business even being voted on and will vote against it. If nothing else, it is a complete waste of the Security Council's time.

Though I'd say this proposal's intent is getting sillier by the day - with Afforess showing himself not to be, eh, that Capitalist in his "generous giving through NS", I must say that the response by CP is by far the silliest.

Really? Is there a need, eh?

It's like they want this to pass.

As a native of Capitalist Paradise I recommended against that idea for this very reason.

[Elke and Elba]

It's like they want this to pass.

As a native of Capitalist Paradise I recommended against that idea for this very reason.

Indeed. It's terrible. Although you might note as del of Ygg, I'm auto voting against because of CP's wishes;

BUT if the region wish to antagonise other people in order to get them to vote against through attrition, even against GCR like Osiris, Balder, TNP, TWP, and other GP regions like Europeia - the liberation will be the least of your troubles.

[Nierr]

It's good to see that this resolution is upsetting more people. Hopefully enough people realize that this is a foolish, revenge-based resolution that has no business even being voted on and will vote against it. If nothing else, it is a complete waste of the Security Council's time.

It's like they want this to pass.

As a native of Capitalist Paradise I recommended against that idea for this very reason.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that you can lever a condemnation of me or a series of liberation proposals against me in return for dropping this.

You can't. And the more resolutions you submit the more you work towards my aims.

I cannot lose here, whereas you always will.

[Elke and Elba]

It's good to see that this resolution is upsetting more people. Hopefully enough people realize that this is a foolish, revenge-based resolution that has no business even being voted on and will vote against it. If nothing else, it is a complete waste of the Security Council's time.



As a native of Capitalist Paradise I recommended against that idea for this very reason.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that you can lever a condemnation of me or a series of liberation proposals against me in return for dropping this.

You can't. And the more resolutions you submit the more you work towards my aims.

I cannot lose here, whereas you always will.

You just misinterpreted him. He doesn't approve of his own region's actions.

Then again Nierr, that proposal is honestly shoddy with the lack of punctuation of any kind. Along with your Repeal "Condemn Macedon" one.

[Nierr]

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that you can lever a condemnation of me or a series of liberation proposals against me in return for dropping this.

You can't. And the more resolutions you submit the more you work towards my aims.

I cannot lose here, whereas you always will.

You just misinterpreted him. He doesn't approve of his own region's actions.

He's the one drafting the Condemnation of me, which elsewhere on the Capitalist Paradise forum it was suggested to use it as leverage against me.

Then again Nierr, that proposal is honestly shoddy with the lack of punctuation of any kind. Along with your Repeal "Condemn Macedon" one.

Eh, I think the actual writing quality of a resolution is tertiary to how well its campaigned for and whether the large GCRs support it in factors that effect the passing of a resolution.

[Elke and Elba]

You just misinterpreted him. He doesn't approve of his own region's actions.

He's the one drafting the Condemnation of me, which elsewhere on the Capitalist Paradise forum it was suggested to use it as leverage against me.

Do yourself a favour and read his response in the link.

I don't really care about the text anymore, since my stance is fixed when it comes to liberations - the native wishes must be obeyed. Though having something poorly crafted is a disgrace on the books.

[Nation of Quebec]

He's the one drafting the Condemnation of me, which elsewhere on the Capitalist Paradise forum it was suggested to use it as leverage against me.

Do yourself a favour and read his response in the link.

I don't really care about the text anymore, since my stance is fixed when it comes to liberations - the native wishes must be obeyed. Though having something poorly crafted is a disgrace on the books.

While I am in the process of drafting a condemnation of Neirr for his crimes against my region and for being a pain to the Security Council, thank you for pointing that out to him. I'm firmly against that idea just as I'm firmly against the liberation.

[New Acardia]

Should be named distory regions that I don't like.
But since I am not in the World Assembly I can't vote.

[Panageadom]

How is this not a violation of this flowchart? Is this flowchart a ruling? Why is the pissing-contest that is "gameplay" so confusing?

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=218040#p4088685

[Nierr]

The flowchart is a guide. It is not official or part of the rules.

[Agripa]

As a native of Capitalist Paradise I recommended against that idea for this very reason.

Indeed. It's terrible. Although you might note as del of Ygg, I'm auto voting against because of CP's wishes;

BUT if the region wish to antagonise other people in order to get them to vote against through attrition, even against GCR like Osiris, Balder, TNP, TWP, and other GP regions like Europeia - the liberation will be the least of your troubles.

I see your empty threat and raise you a founder. Your threats mean little to nothing to us. However, your continued targeting of CP has landed you clearly in our target deck. Your move, cupcake.

[Sedgistan]

How is this not a violation of this flowchart? Is this flowchart a ruling? Why is the pissing-contest that is "gameplay" so confusing?

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=218040#p4088685

Nierr is correct. The flowchart is a player-produced guide to when Liberations might be appropriate. It's not in any way a rule.

[Reploid Productions]

Though I do not think we will be getting an opt-out feature since allowing R/D to target any region makes the site revenue through people purchasing stamps.

Site revenues have precisely nothing to do with any moderation or admin decisions regarding gameplay. Please cease and desist spreading such blatant and bad faith lies, and stick to the thread topic of the proposal to liberate the region Capitalist Paradise.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Admin
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Maltropia]

I see your empty threat and raise you a founder. Your threats mean little to nothing to us. However, your continued targeting of CP has landed you clearly in our target deck. Your move, cupcake.

You're not even reading his posts at this point. It wasn't a threat, empty or otherwise.

[Agripa]

You're not even reading his posts at this point. It wasn't a threat, empty or otherwise.

"BUT if the region wish to antagonise other people in order to get them to vote against through attrition, even against GCR like Osiris, Balder, TNP, TWP, and other GP regions like Europeia - the liberation will be the least of your troubles."

Uhhhh, yeah, it was.

[Upper America]

This sounds alarmingly similar to "Liberate Haven"...

[Acario]

I see your empty threat and raise you a founder. Your threats mean little to nothing to us. However, your continued targeting of CP has landed you clearly in our target deck. Your move, cupcake.

You're not even reading his posts at this point. It wasn't a threat, empty or otherwise.

Agripa you probably read it wrong as Maltropia is correct, it was more of a warning than anything else. I think I received the responses I wanted to see from Nierr. It is best to just ignore him and move on rather than getting Capitalist Paradise caught up in the center of Security Council matters.

[Cormac A Stark]

Though I'd say this proposal's intent is getting sillier by the day - with Afforess showing himself not to be, eh, that Capitalist in his "generous giving through NS", I must say that the response by CP is by far the silliest.

Really? Is there a need, eh?

I can't see whatever this link goes to, but I'm really intrigued based on this and later comments.

[Maltropia]

Though I'd say this proposal's intent is getting sillier by the day - with Afforess showing himself not to be, eh, that Capitalist in his "generous giving through NS", I must say that the response by CP is by far the silliest.

Really? Is there a need, eh?

I can't see whatever this link goes to, but I'm really intrigued based on this and later comments.

It was a list of regions which had approved this resolution. It seems people in Capitalist Paradise wanted to start a stream of cut-and-paste Liberation proposals for each of them.

[Cormac A Stark]

It was a list of regions which had approved this resolution. It seems people in Capitalist Paradise wanted to start a stream of cut-and-paste Liberation proposals for each of them.

I see!

If Osiris was on the list, and it sounds like it was based on above comments, I invite Capitalist Paradise to go ahead and liberate us from a password that can't be imposed anyway.