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Postby The Akashic Records » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:18 am

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Quite frankly, I am disgusted by how apparently successful this repeal is - especially given how detailed and comprehensive the arguments against it were during the draft phase. It truly does nothing to dispel the vision of the WA as a body of incompetent drunkards willing to vote for Mickey Mouse if he was put up for election.

To those who are concerned about national sovereignty, I would ask that you consider why you are even a member of this body if you view it as such an onerous abrogation of your nation's liberty. To the rest of you that voted in favor of this resolution, did you know that gullible has been removed from the dictionary?
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Postby Valendia » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:34 am

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Postby Iron Confederation » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:35 am

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Iron Confederation wrote:Oh, so because it's been around for a while, it's much more significant. That makes so much sense.

By that logic, the Iron Confederation would be more significant than the Akashic Records, because it's been around for longer and therefore has more heritage, therefore is more significant.
Yes, yes it is. Our nation is but a young one, yet we understand that understanding language leads to understanding, and less conflicts when one culture clashes with another. The longer you are around, the higher the probability that something important or interesting have happened in your nation; that's how history works, apart from being written mostly from a distorted view of most of the victors that is.

So, are you saying that my culture is superior to yours, and yet you want to preserve all cultures? I'm not following.
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Iron Confederation wrote:I'm still waiting for you to tell me in clear terms how the repeal of Language Preservation would affect the common citizens of the World Assembly. An ambiguous "loss of culture effects" reason isn't going to cut it for me.
You've never paid attention to what understanding other people can do, have you? Other than massacring other people, or right out segregating them, among other things, understanding languages work well with reducing conflicts. Sebabnya, bila saya faham apa yang anda katakan, dan anda juga faham apa yang saya katakan, tidaklah kita berasa tersinggung apabila saya melakukan sesuatu yang anda tidak suka, atau juga sebaliknya. Maaf sekiranya hujah-hujah saya kurang memuaskan, tetapi itulah yang mampu saya sampaikan.

So the nations involved, or the WA can hire a translator if need arises. That shouldn't be too difficult to do.
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Iron Confederation wrote:Again, you still haven't convinced me why we need to preserve language.
You don't think different cultures are important, we do, and therein lies the differences, in which we understand the importance of preserving a means to understanding a different culture.

Though, it seems the current WA doesn't seem to care either, and I rest my case.

You're right. I don't understand why the WA should be involved in culture.

That doesn't mean I hate culture. It just means that I don't believe the WA should be meddling in culture.
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Postby Swith Witherward » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:05 pm

We believe it's absurd to repeal GA#243 yet not offer anything in its place.

We will vote against.
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Postby Acitcratna » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:56 pm

I really don't see a point in repealing something that works already only to replace it with something else, when there are plenty of other problems that need to be fixed!

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Postby The Akashic Records » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:23 pm

Iron Confederation wrote:So, are you saying that my culture is superior to yours, and yet you want to preserve all cultures? I'm not following.
I'm not getting what you're trying to imply with this statement either. Cultural superiority wasn't what I meant by what I said, mind you. I was inferring the diversity of cultures and how it plays out in the history of a nation, and the world as a whole. Any culture that claims to be superior to another is, for the most part, blind to whatever degeneracy there is in their culture, and before you take that as an insult, I wasn't referring to your nation, I was simply referring to the observations that we have made throughout history.

Iron Confederation wrote:So the nations involved, or the WA can hire a translator if need arises. That shouldn't be too difficult to do.
Yes, and they could actually, and to make the translators' jobs easier, as well as academics, and common people, they could look it up in the ULC. If common folks in a nation need to hire translators to talk to each other, I'm not quite sure how things go on in that nation. Nations could even save money on translators too, but I guess that it's important to let people have something to do, lest they get bored and stuff.

Iron Confederation wrote:You're right. I don't understand why the WA should be involved in culture.

That doesn't mean I hate culture. It just means that I don't believe the WA should be meddling in culture.
The WA isn't meddling with it for shits and giggles; the WA recognizes, or rather, recognized, with the way the votes are going, that something as intangibly important as culture has a need to be preserved to some extent, in the sense of understanding them, and that nations often overlook this aspect.
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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:57 am

I have to admit, there is something here that fascinates me. I see the big super feeders weighing in on this repeal; some of whom I haven't seen voting for anything in a very long time. Yet the popular vote is only generally in favor. Why do they feel the need to actually vote for this minor repeal while other issues of more pressing vote never see them pass by the voting booth? Some are new delegates after their elections, but others are still lame duck delegates whose new delegate hasn't had all the endorsements transferred yet. Fascinating.
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Postby The Akashic Records » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:38 am

Retired WerePenguins wrote:I have to admit, there is something here that fascinates me. I see the big super feeders weighing in on this repeal; some of whom I haven't seen voting for anything in a very long time. Yet the popular vote is only generally in favor. Why do they feel the need to actually vote for this minor repeal while other issues of more pressing vote never see them pass by the voting booth? Some are new delegates after their elections, but others are still lame duck delegates whose new delegate hasn't had all the endorsements transferred yet. Fascinating.
I guess they agree that Too Much Work is a Bad ThingTM.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:04 am

I agree with this resolution to repeal the Language Preservation Protocol because, many languages shift with the times, and the culture it is grounded on eventually becomes mainstream. Sometimes it is not that needed to preserve a language which other cultures which are not dominant in the land tend to see as a hindrance to progress. Minorities know that, but this is why a language becomes extinct within a certain land, because of the natural tendency to belong.

Also, if there was such a need for one of our foreign nationals to actually be translated upon, we can always hire translators. This is a need on many developed nations, to have a team to translate for those who do not know the language. With English being one of our spoken languages, we do not see the issue unless they do not know either Latin-based languages or English or even the Slavic languages, we always accomodate people.

Furthermore, I do think that a centralized international group of people that preserve language is redundant since each and every country should, by mere effort of national pride, retain the parts of the culture they feel most strongly about, and also keep the bad things about the culture as signs of humility, including our languages of the peoples that do want to be remembered for their achievements. For there are many groups and cultures who, for one reason or another, are best if they are not remembered and wiped out of the History books.
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Postby Iron Confederation » Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:04 am

The Akashic Records wrote:
Iron Confederation wrote:You're right. I don't understand why the WA should be involved in culture.

That doesn't mean I hate culture. It just means that I don't believe the WA should be meddling in culture.
The WA isn't meddling with it for shits and giggles; the WA recognizes, or rather, recognized, with the way the votes are going, that something as intangibly important as culture has a need to be preserved to some extent, in the sense of understanding them, and that nations often overlook this aspect.

"intangibly important"?

That, my friend, is the crux of the matter - I can't support anything that's intangibly important.

Give me tangible importance of language preservation, and I'll be happy to support you.
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Postby Saveyou Island » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:32 pm

The Akashic Records wrote:
Retired WerePenguins wrote:I have to admit, there is something here that fascinates me. I see the big super feeders weighing in on this repeal; some of whom I haven't seen voting for anything in a very long time. Yet the popular vote is only generally in favor. Why do they feel the need to actually vote for this minor repeal while other issues of more pressing vote never see them pass by the voting booth? Some are new delegates after their elections, but others are still lame duck delegates whose new delegate hasn't had all the endorsements transferred yet. Fascinating.
I guess they agree that Too Much Work is a Bad ThingTM.

No, but wasting time on something that is unimportant is.
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Postby Saveyou Island » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:34 pm

Acitcratna wrote:I really don't see a point in repealing something that works already only to replace it with something else, when there are plenty of other problems that need to be fixed!

Translation: "We disagree with this because people replace things!"
Swith Witherward wrote:We believe it's absurd to repeal GA#243 yet not offer anything in its place.

We will vote against.

Why should GA#243 be replaced? If someone else wants to do so, be my guest.
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Postby The Akashic Records » Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:39 pm

Saveyou Island wrote:No, but wasting time on something that is unimportant is.

Ahahahaha... ha... ha... yes, yes, many people think that preserving language and making it easier to learn from history is a bad thing. We're sorry that we disagree[d] with most of the WA. Can we go back to ignoring atrocities by minorities now? That seems to be more important than actually addressing the root cause of misunderstandings; communications.
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Postby New Tarajan » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:02 am

The Kingdom of New Tarajan decided to VOTE FOR this repeal resolution.

However, it is intention of the Tarajani delegation to affirm the it should be necessary a new commitment of the Assembly to create a new, more precise resolution on the preservation of Languages.
Indeed, we believe this goal is commendable, and necessary for a full knowledge of world cultures and societies.
We decided to approve the repeal only because of the non-ignorable inaccuracies of the text of the GA #243.
Also, we believe in the necessity of the creation of an International Research Centre of Languages.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:38 pm

Support. We don't find value in preserving languages that are dead or dying, or keeping a record of those which will not assist us. Neither are we a fan of the General Assembly taxing us for this privilege.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:53 pm

New Tarajan wrote:The Kingdom of New Tarajan decided to VOTE FOR this repeal resolution.

However, it is intention of the Tarajani delegation to affirm the it should be necessary a new commitment of the Assembly to create a new, more precise resolution on the preservation of Languages.
Indeed, we believe this goal is commendable, and necessary for a full knowledge of world cultures and societies.
We decided to approve the repeal only because of the non-ignorable inaccuracies of the text of the GA #243.
Also, we believe in the necessity of the creation of an International Research Centre of Languages.


I would say this should be an international effort from every country that wishes to participate. In other words, not make it WA-sanctioned but rather make it as a sort of WA-like entity in which each and every country's linguist in the language that is to be preserved can add to the collective of his or her language of specialty.
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Postby United Federation of Canada » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:34 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:Support. We don't find value in preserving languages that are dead or dying, or keeping a record of those which will not assist us. Neither are we a fan of the General Assembly taxing us for this privilege.


Tax??? I thought this place ran on "donations".

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Postby Afforess » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:48 pm

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Separatist Peoples wrote:Support. We don't find value in preserving languages that are dead or dying, or keeping a record of those which will not assist us. Neither are we a fan of the General Assembly taxing us for this privilege.


Tax??? I thought this place ran on "donations".

The world assembly resolutions will raise your nations tax rate. You have no choice in the matter. :)
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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:51 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:Tax??? I thought this place ran on "donations".


GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION # 17 wrote:Declares that the World Assembly shall be funded by donations from member states; the WA will not levy taxes directly upon the citizens or residents of any nation;


But don't worry, I'm sure that someone, somewhere, is plotting to repeal this resolution. Because, well, you know, somebody who I won't mention, is evil.
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Postby Afforess » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:54 pm

Retired WerePenguins wrote:
United Federation of Canada wrote:Tax??? I thought this place ran on "donations".


GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION # 17 wrote:Declares that the World Assembly shall be funded by donations from member states; the WA will not levy taxes directly upon the citizens or residents of any nation;


But don't worry, I'm sure that someone, somewhere, is plotting to repeal this resolution. Because, well, you know, somebody who I won't mention, is evil.

While the WA will not directly increase tax rates, the indirect side effects of many resolutions will ultimately result in increased taxes. It is inevitable, resolutions do not occur in a bubble.
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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:25 pm

WA resolutions will cause you to write laws to spend money. Technically speaking, one of the biggest flaws in the game is that deficit spending doesn't exist. So any time there is a net increase in spending there is a net increase in taxes. This isn't really caused by the WA resolution directly and the money doesn't go into the WA, but into your own national programs.
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Postby The Akashic Records » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:43 am

Repeal "Language Preservation" was passed 8,154 votes to 2,756.
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