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[DEFEATED] Condemn Cynthia McKinney

Postby Suceavija » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:26 pm

The Security Council of the World Assembly,

CLARIFYING that this resolution refers to the Nation, Cynthia McKinney (CMK), and does not in any way implicate or indict any other similarly-named entity by its claims;

OBSERVING that CMK is the founder of the region, Democratic Socialist Alliance (DSA), which by design is governed based on its ruling Charter. This Charter requires the DSA’s Congress, led by its World Assembly Delegate (WAD), to determine how and when the founder shall use its powers including ejections and bans (E & B) of residents as well as all decisions regarding embassies. This Charter binds all residents of the DSA to its laws while not permitting any resident to have special privileges or immunity from its jurisdiction regardless of any inherent powers or special status that may otherwise be asserted by any resident therein. CMK had signed this Charter, willfully accepting and binding CMK to all of its provisions;

ACKNOWLEDGING that CMK has a proven history of demonstrating contempt for many of the DSA's governing principles, of which include transparent and democratic governance, equality of all residents under the rule of law, and respect for due process of the law, while subverting and violating the DSA's Charter in the following ways:

1) The spiteful, arbitrary and extrajudicial E & B of several residents from the DSA over time who have publicly spoken against the autocratic conduct of CMK; and the despotic attempts by CMK to suppress many criticisms of such conduct despite the DSA’s rich culture of tolerating and encouraging free speech;

2) The extrajudicial removal of executive powers from a WAD so that CMK could unilaterally control embassies sans Congressional oversight. CMK then went on to E & B that WAD despite CMK’s articles of impeachment for that WAD having been resoundingly rejected by the Congress. CMK’s circumvention of the Charter in order to act against a WAD has happened more than once. In aggregate, these flagrant abuses of power subsequently led to a devastating schism and two waves of diaspora.

3) The paranoid extrajudicial E & B of residents for various speculative pseudo-crimes including merely being deemed a “Zionist spy” by CMK and being accused of "disrespecting the founder," among others;

REALIZING that CMK had chosen to cowardly reside in a foreign region for a significant period of time while manipulating the DSA from afar, simply for the stated reason that CMK cannot be subjected to the provisions of the DSA's Charter if CMK does not reside in the DSA; and therefore may evade justice and terrorize the DSA with impunity;

LAMENTING that during CMK’s prolonged absences from active involvement in the DSA, it would thrive while guided by its Charter’s established processes; and that upon CMK’s return to autocratic rule the vitality, size and integrity of the DSA’s community inevitably, acutely atrophied each time;

AFFIRMING the rights of the residents of the DSA to continue governing themselves per their ruling Charter without further harassment, disruption or intimidation from CMK;

BELIEVING that CMK’s numerous aforementioned violations of the DSA’s Charter as well as the DSA’s public trust constitute dishonorable conduct that is far beneath this Council’s standards for rational behavior, democratic governance, and civilized diplomacy for any nation;

Hereby Condemns Cynthia McKinney.

Co-authored by Laevendell
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:29 pm

Right off the bat, I would check to make sure you are within the character limit, cause this looks long-winded. Other than that, this sounds like a regional spat that has been hopped-up to get through the SC. This boils down to some Founder power abuses if I'm not mistaken, and despite the impressive amount of content, I don't think that alone is enough to pass this proposal.
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Postby Potlimitomaha » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:32 pm

Suceavija wrote:Description: WA Security Council Resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.



OBSERVING that CMK is the founder of the region, Democratic Socialist Alliance (DSA), whose residents have chosen to be governed based on the provisions of its ruling Charter. This Charter binds all residents of the DSA to its laws while not permitting any particular resident to have special privileges within or immunity from its jurisdiction regardless of any inherent powers or special status that may otherwise be asserted by any resident therein. CMK had signed this Charter, willfully accepting and binding CMK to all of its provisions.


If she's the founder then she should be able to do anything she wants. If you don't like it then copy and paste the charter into your new region that YOU created.
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Postby Three Lands » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:41 pm

Our government respectfully disagrees with the need for a World Assembly Security Council condemnation in this case. Upon perusing regional communications of the DSA, it would appear that this is an ideological purification by the regional founder. We see no need for a condemnation at this point in time, especially considering the deplorable language and abuse flung at CMK which leads us to question whether the right and wrong of the issue is as clear cut as the authors claim it to be.

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Postby Suceavija » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:05 pm

SkyDip wrote:Right off the bat, I would check to make sure you are within the character limit, cause this looks long-winded. Other than that, this sounds like a regional spat that has been hopped-up to get through the SC. This boils down to some Founder power abuses if I'm not mistaken, and despite the impressive amount of content, I don't think that alone is enough to pass this proposal.

I have edited it to be under 3,500 characters as advised. What makes this unlike most founder-power abuse spats is that the founder had willfully chosen to bind themselves to a ruling Charter. That means that CMK had agreed to cede the decision-making ability to exercise those special powers to the DSA's Congress. That power structure was the 'selling point' of residing in that region (beyond a relatively shared ideology; which is arbitrary here) and CMK essentially violated that agreement and contract with the residents of the DSA - and that is what this resolution is condemning. I thank you for your advice and feedback.
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Postby Suceavija » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:23 pm

Three Lands wrote:Our government respectfully disagrees with the need for a World Assembly Security Council condemnation in this case. Upon perusing regional communications of the DSA, it would appear that this is an ideological purification by the regional founder. We see no need for a condemnation at this point in time, especially considering the deplorable language and abuse flung at CMK which leads us to question whether the right and wrong of the issue is as clear cut as the authors claim it to be.

Since neither Laevendell nor I made any contributions to the deplorable language you refer to, I struggle to find the relevance of your last comment to this particular discussion as the misconduct of a few upset residents in no way relates or is connected to me, my colleague or to this proposal.

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Postby Millyland » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:40 pm

As anyone who actually knows the situation would say, CMK's paranoid ejections well warrant a SC condemnation.

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Postby Herrebrugh » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:40 pm

I would just like to say that the entire function of the Security Council condemnation is to condemn nations that have committed deplorable acts.

Now, I don't know for you, but banjecting nations from a region merely for expressing their opinion, an act violating the charter signed by the founder, is fairly deplorable.
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:48 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:I would just like to say that the entire function of the Security Council condemnation is to condemn nations that have committed deplorable acts.

Now, I don't know for you, but banjecting nations from a region merely for expressing their opinion, an act violating the charter signed by the founder, is fairly deplorable.

If we condemned every Founder who abused their powers, there would be a lot more badges out there in the world. Simply ejecting nations is nowhere near enough to Condemn a nation.
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Postby Three Lands » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:49 pm

We believe it would be appropriate to hear from the Democratic Socialist Alliance's delegate, Nava Siam before jumping to any conclusions.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:55 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:I would just like to say that the entire function of the Security Council condemnation is to condemn nations that have committed deplorable acts.

Now, I don't know for you, but banjecting nations from a region merely for expressing their opinion, an act violating the charter signed by the founder, is fairly deplorable.

If we condemned every Founder who abused their powers, there would be a lot more badges out there in the world. Simply ejecting nations is nowhere near enough to Condemn a nation.


Good. Since this isn't about a founder simply ejecting nations; it's about a founder of a medium-sized region, ejecting nations contrary to the constitution she signed.
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Postby Suceavija » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:03 pm

Millyland wrote:As anyone who actually knows the situation would say, CMK's paranoid ejections well warrant a SC condemnation.

I think therein lies the challenge before us in order to convince others to vote for this: the vast majority of the WA has no idea who CMK is or what the DSA (was) all about or the numerous events over such a long period of time that took place; so if it is confusing to outsiders, then it's incumbent upon me to better explain this in a very concise way (I have a 200 character allowance remaining). I will play with the Observation clause a bit to further explain why CMK's misconduct is worthy of condemnation as it relates to the Charter she signed.
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:08 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:Good. Since this isn't about a founder simply ejecting nations; it's about a founder of a medium-sized region, ejecting nations contrary to the constitution she signed.

Good heavens, you're telling me the nation in question is also a very bad person? Oh noes! :palm:
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Postby Herrebrugh » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:13 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:Good. Since this isn't about a founder simply ejecting nations; it's about a founder of a medium-sized region, ejecting nations contrary to the constitution she signed.

Good heavens, you're telling me the nation in question is also a very bad person? Oh noes! :palm:


I'm saying the actions of the Democratic Socialist Alliance's founder are sufficiently deplorable to warrant a condemnation.
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:16 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
SkyDip wrote:Good heavens, you're telling me the nation in question is also a very bad person? Oh noes! :palm:


I'm saying the actions of the Democratic Socialist Alliance's founder are sufficiently deplorable to warrant a condemnation.

Trust me, ejecting nations, even if in breach of some regional accord, is not enough to warrant a Condemnation. But I'll leave that for the other SC regular to comment on, if they wish.
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Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

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Postby Grolsch » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:18 pm

Let's put it in this way: Cynthia McKinney doesn't just eject members of the region she founded, but she also:

1. Ejected the democratically-elected Delegate of the region, Conpatraia, and made the Delegate non-executive, both of which she cannot do according to the Charter she signed
2. Eject multiple nations from the region, again, without first consulting with the region's democratically-elected government, just because they had a different opinion than the founder
3. Closed/opened embassies without consulting with the region's democratically-elected government, which she had to do according to the region's Charter, which, as several other nations have mentioned above, she signed and therefore she should act accordingly
4. Ejected Ambassadors for no particular reason besides herself gaining more power because she would have less opposition

There are probably a dozen things I don't know, but this is what I know.

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Postby Alterio » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:21 pm

She also kicks those who oppose her, and bring any points that could turn others against her.
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:24 pm

Grolsch wrote:Let's put it in this way: Cynthia McKinney doesn't just eject members of the region she founded, but she also:

1. Uses Founder powers
2. Uses Founder powers
3. Uses Founder powers
4. Uses Founder powers

There are probably a dozen things I don't know, but this is what I know.

Fixed that for you. If you really want to move forward simply on these grounds, do so, but I would strongly advise getting more material or dropping this matter.

Edit for spelling
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Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Comanici » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:49 pm

As some one who resides in the Social Liberal Union, I have been watching this unfold. It is really a serious situation that created the Democratic Socialist Assembly (Locally known as "The Great Split"). She has ejected ambassadors and I am sure thay anyone that knew anything about the situation will vote for condemnation of Cynthia McKinney.

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Postby Grolsch » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:55 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Grolsch wrote:Let's put it in this way: Cynthia McKinney doesn't just eject members of the region she founded, but she also:

1. Uses Founder powers
2. Uses Founder powers
3. Uses Founder powers
4. Uses Founder powers

There are probably a dozen things I don't know, but this is what I know.

Fixed that for you. If you really want to move forward simply on these grounds, do so, but I would strongly advise getting more material or dropping this matter.

Edit for spelling


What more is needed? She is blatantly disregarding what members would like her to do (only a few agree to what she has done), she blatantly disregards norms and values in diplomacy...

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Postby Suceavija » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:01 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Grolsch wrote:Let's put it in this way: Cynthia McKinney doesn't just eject members of the region she founded, but she also:

1. Uses Founder powers
2. Uses Founder powers
3. Uses Founder powers
4. Uses Founder powers

There are probably a dozen things I don't know, but this is what I know.

Fixed that for you. If you really want to move forward simply on these grounds, do so, but I would strongly advise getting more material or dropping this matter.

Edit for spelling

I guess what is at the crux this condemnation is that CMK broke the public trust of her region by violating a written agreement that gave power to its Congress to decide how/when those founder powers would be used by CMK. As a rule with the SC, dishonorable and dishonest conduct of many kinds has proven to be worthy of a condemnation.

The rules for the WA are quite strict about its members being truthful in their representation of themselves (no more than 1 nation per player may join, for instance. Those who violate this are punished accordingly.) - and I've certainly seen through the process of writing this condemnation how highly-regarded the rule of law is to this legislative body (the rules for writing one of these are so lengthy they would violate their own character limit if ever they were to be codified by the WA membership); so disdain for a nation having violated similar rules that they had agreed to obey would gain a sympathetic vote from the majority of members who also -by virtue of being in the WA- value and respect the rule of law as well as the personal integrity of its members, I think.

What I'm interpreting from the criticism I've received thus far is that I haven't done a good enough job at explaining CMK's willful relinquishment of her ability to decide how/when to use her founder powers to the Congress by having signed the Charter. I will address this very soon with a re-write of the first part of the condemnation. I do appreciate your willingness to further explain your perception of this resolution, even if you don't agree with its premise, as it's important to know how someone completely unaware of the events in the DSA will regard this. My hope is to change your mind before it's all over one way or the other!
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Postby Arcomo » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:05 pm

I don't see what's so bad with more badges being out there in the world marking bad founders. Crimes that happen frequently need addressing like any other.

CMK has proven twice now, over a large period of time and both times with severe consequences for the community that was the DSA, to be a terrorizing malevolent dictator with nothing but contempt for the tenets of the region - Equality, Solidarty & Freedom.

This most recent blow to the Democratic Socialist Alliance has destroyed its community, its regional government and all the credibility it had as a democratically operated region. This condemnation is well deserved.

Cynthia McKinney should be condemned for finally destroying the free, democratic and peaceful region which was the Democratic Socialist Alliance, after terrorizing its community through two fits which came out of nowhere.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:06 pm

That she used her founder powers is not condemn worthy. taht she betrayed her regions trust after agreeing to limits to her power and abused the powers in a constitutional sense is at best suspect, possibly condemnable, depending/
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Postby Ratateague » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:20 pm

I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but CMK had Ceased to Exist at one point, and for a long period of time, allowing the region to thrive in a truly democratic nature. Everyone thought she was gone for good. You may dismiss it as false hope, but in their eyes, the region then belonged to the people, and they spent painstaking months building it in their vision. It wasn't until CMK returned sometime this year, that all their undertakings and progress were crushed under her tantrums.

The issue that I am trying to establish here, is that the region did in fact belong to someone other than the founder for a reasonable amount of time to assume power. Can I get a confirmation of that timeline?
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Postby Der Nordland » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:21 pm

Three Lands wrote:We believe it would be appropriate to hear from the Democratic Socialist Alliance's delegate, Nava Siam before jumping to any conclusions.


Considering Nava Siam became the delegate by Conpatraia's ejection makes this worthwhile, how?
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