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Postby Christian Democrats » Mon May 28, 2012 1:37 pm

I have voted AGAINST this proposal and encourage everyone else to do the same.
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Postby Former Wellboneland » Mon May 28, 2012 1:40 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:I have voted AGAINST this proposal and encourage everyone else to do the same.

For once we agree with un-kvlt Christians.

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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Mon May 28, 2012 2:16 pm

Ladies and gentlemen, I have a question to propose to this august body.

Why?

Why?

For the love of Esther Williams – may the great swimmer be praised – why?

Now Esther had a body. But that's not the point. I ask again?

Why is Quelesh allowed to submit the same damn resolution again and again?

Why is Quelesh still allowed to be in the WA?

Why hasn't Quelesh been purged with nuclear fire?

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Postby Computer Land » Mon May 28, 2012 2:31 pm

Why is this proposal so vehemently opposed?

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Postby Detectatia » Mon May 28, 2012 2:34 pm

Computer Land wrote:Why is this proposal so vehemently opposed?


This same act was repealed, and this new one fails to address the reasons why it was repealed in the first place.
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Postby Pastalia » Mon May 28, 2012 2:40 pm

I hereby approve of the Werepenguin's proposal to nuke Quelesh. This ain't funny anymore.

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Mon May 28, 2012 3:12 pm

How many times has this been around? Once again we at Biop say NO
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Postby Av2 » Mon May 28, 2012 3:29 pm

I fully upose against this legislation.

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Postby Geilinor » Mon May 28, 2012 3:30 pm

"This is quite close to the one that was repealed. The ambassador from Quelesh should have taken time to fix this and help us reach a consensus on the important issue of habeas corpus."

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Postby Former Wellboneland » Mon May 28, 2012 3:32 pm

Pastalia wrote:I hereby approve of the Werepenguin's proposal to nuke Quelesh. This ain't funny anymore.

I will donate half my nukes.

Was it ever funny?
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Postby Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories » Mon May 28, 2012 3:36 pm

Former Wellboneland wrote:
Pastalia wrote:I hereby approve of the Werepenguin's proposal to nuke Quelesh. This ain't funny anymore.

I will donate half my nukes.

Was it ever funny?


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Postby Former Wellboneland » Mon May 28, 2012 3:42 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Former Wellboneland wrote:I will donate half my nukes.

Was it ever funny?


We're willing to sell you Uranium at a loss if it keeps the bombs falling on Quelesh.

We got plenty, but thanks, we will buy.
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Postby Tibberiria » Mon May 28, 2012 3:45 pm

So, it's not just me? Good to know.

We've voted for this before. We would like to see a law on Habeus Corpus make the books and stay there. But the GA has spoken, I'm afraid.

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Postby Goobergunchia » Mon May 28, 2012 3:47 pm

Order.

The floor of this Assembly is not the place to engage in military action against another member nation. Such engagements should be taken to another place.
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Postby Free South Califas » Mon May 28, 2012 3:53 pm

It is with great sadness that the Habeas Corpus Act Committee shares its express positive mandate from below. To wit, that we must vote AGAINST this resolution and regrettably urge others to join us in defeating it.

Before elaborating on this, we must stress the firm and unyielding commitment of Free South Califas to the legal principle of habeas corpus and our solidarity with all prisoners, especially those whose natural rights have been further encroached upon by violations of this principle. We strongly support the imposition of firm detention limits on WA member states and furthermore, demand the immediate release of all political prisoners in every state.

While the influences and perspectives here are difficult to unravel, it is the opinion of the self-appointed World Assembly GA Resolutions Board that the Queleshian version of the Habeas Corpus Act suffers from serious drawbacks, chief among them:

  • The apparently antidemocratic nature of its drafting process
  • Time limits set in absolute terms are inherently self-defeating when applied without regard to the lifespan of different sapient species
  • Weaknesses of wording which may allow or even force bizarre abuses of civil rights
  • The apparently coercive tactics used to push this resolution ahead of one written more democratically
  • Various WA member nations complain that this Act is culturally insensitive and has generated international hostility
  • It appears likely to be repealed, wasting WA humanitarians' time and crushing the spirits of our oppressed brothers and sisters in cages
  • Voting on this version of the Habeas Corpus Act appears to have deadlocked the issue in the WA for months, while competing versions have found more international support and suggest the possibility of a more permanent victory for civil rights

We ask that WA member states vote down this resolution and hastily install a sustainable, culturally sensitive and radically liberal habeas corpus regime in its place.
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Postby Nakkeria » Mon May 28, 2012 4:29 pm

We shall also oppose this resolution.
We speak with the authority of Our people, and know that they would back Us with their own words, were they able.
As Our esteemed colleagues of the WA have stated prior, this resolution is flawed to the point where its implied purpose is twisted beyond recognition.
On behalf of Nakkeria, We hereby vote against this proposal.

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Postby Crystal Palais » Mon May 28, 2012 4:36 pm

The representative from Crystal Palais coughs, emitting a bit of dust, and stands despite the numerous cobwebs that come from sitting for years without so much as moving.

We oppose this silly bit of legislation, and we also respectfully submit that the fact that the vote has already so soundly pronounced this bill on its way to defeat to be indicative of the fact that the voting nations are, unlike the submitting entity of this bill, actually in possession of their full mental faculties.

It takes more than a nice title to make a law in the WA, and while it is our opinion that many of the things that pass through here overstep the bounds of national sovereignty, this item in particular is so utterly flawed as to be virtually unenforceable out of the gate.

Now if you'll excuse me, I believe it's time to go back into storage for another year or three. Thank you.

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Postby Mousebumples » Mon May 28, 2012 4:38 pm

To the Queleshian delegation:

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To the rest of the General Assembly members:

My greatest thanks in your assistance in voting down this travesty of a resubmission. I am happy to see that I will likely not need to dust off my previously passed repeal in order to re-remove this dreck.

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Postby Anarcho Nova » Mon May 28, 2012 5:01 pm

Auralia wrote:
Flibbleites wrote:And that's exactly why I've instituted my new policy.


I don't think that's a valid reason to reject all Queleshian proposals, regardless of their contents.


Agreed. While we complain about procedure and "proper" politics (whatever that may be), we're ignoring the real human rights issues that this proposal addresses. I will support this resolution, despite the continued attacks against the delegate's character and way of doing things. I have not heard one valid evidence-based position on why this resolution is improper. If the Queleshian delegate doesn't follow "proper" political procedures, then too bad for you. Whine somewhere else about it. You all act like you're big wig hotshots, so proud and intellectual with your verbosity and largely unspoken "rules". There's nothing technically stopping the delegate other than your juvenile rants about procedure and such bull. Are we not here to better the world and help its people? Obviously not. We're here, it seems, to enforce one mode of political ideology and procedure and shame/banish the rest into obscurity, no matter how good their ideas are.

Let's evaluate an individual's ideas/claims with a strong scientific methodology, not speculate about their character.

This makes me sick. :palm:

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Postby Ossitania » Mon May 28, 2012 5:19 pm

Anarcho Nova wrote:
Auralia wrote:
I don't think that's a valid reason to reject all Queleshian proposals, regardless of their contents.


Agreed. While we complain about procedure and "proper" politics (whatever that may be), we're ignoring the real human rights issues that this proposal addresses. I will support this resolution, despite the continued attacks against the delegate's character and way of doing things. I have not heard one valid evidence-based position on why this resolution is improper. If the Queleshian delegate doesn't follow "proper" political procedures, then too bad for you. Whine somewhere else about it. You all act like you're big wig hotshots, so proud and intellectual with your verbosity and largely unspoken "rules". There's nothing technically stopping the delegate other than your juvenile rants about procedure and such bull. Are we not here to better the world and help its people? Obviously not. We're here, it seems, to enforce one mode of political ideology and procedure and shame/banish the rest into obscurity, no matter how good their ideas are.

Let's evaluate an individual's ideas/claims with a strong scientific methodology, not speculate about their character.

This makes me sick. :palm:


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Postby Mandicoria » Mon May 28, 2012 5:22 pm

I thought this bill was dealt with quite a bit ago..... It appears I was wrong so very very wrong.
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Postby Damanucus » Mon May 28, 2012 5:25 pm

Anarcho Nova wrote:
Auralia wrote:
I don't think that's a valid reason to reject all Queleshian proposals, regardless of their contents.


Agreed. While we complain about procedure and "proper" politics (whatever that may be), we're ignoring the real human rights issues that this proposal addresses. I will support this resolution, despite the continued attacks against the delegate's character and way of doing things. I have not heard one valid evidence-based position on why this resolution is improper. If the Queleshian delegate doesn't follow "proper" political procedures, then too bad for you. Whine somewhere else about it. You all act like you're big wig hotshots, so proud and intellectual with your verbosity and largely unspoken "rules". There's nothing technically stopping the delegate other than your juvenile rants about procedure and such bull. Are we not here to better the world and help its people? Obviously not. We're here, it seems, to enforce one mode of political ideology and procedure and shame/banish the rest into obscurity, no matter how good their ideas are.

Let's evaluate an individual's ideas/claims with a strong scientific methodology, not speculate about their character.

This makes me sick. :palm:


Take a little time, read the previous submission and its connected repeal, examine the debates of the repeal, then compare the this to the previous legislation, aware of the debates, and then come back and decide based on this newly-accumulated knowledge.

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Postby Alyekra » Mon May 28, 2012 5:36 pm

The link to the proposal is dead. What do you suppose that means?
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Postby New Zepuha » Mon May 28, 2012 5:46 pm

Listen how many times are you going to try and ram this idea down our throats? I have seen three attempts under differen't names trying to be pushed through! You can't just annoy us until we give in, let it go. No one will support the idea behind this, let us govern our people dear lord! Clear the space for an Act or something that actually appeals and matters! If you can't pass the same general idea after the 4th attempt, DROP IT. We have voted AGAINST this laudable act.
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Postby Linux and the X » Mon May 28, 2012 5:57 pm

New Zepuha wrote:We have voted AGAINST this laudable act.

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