[PASSED] Condemn Creeperopolis

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Got any links to examples of his roleplay? Always good to be able to back this stuff up with references.

I've linked a few previously but I'll make some reposts. There's more than is directly included in the proposal (and some stuff has been retconned due to canon changes/maintenance) so I'll stick to linking things that (a) remain canon and (b) are mentioned in the proposal.

A lot of Creeper's work is in wiki and worldbuilding (which absolutely is RP, how one could argue it isn't is beyond me) but if you scroll down to the "References" section you can find associated posts and whatnot, though the meat of content is on the wiki.

Creeperian annexation of Navidad and San Juan Diego is a good one, and timely, as the storyline of the Sequoyah invasion (which started in December 2020) is just about wrapping up! La'Matanza is a decent one as well which covers the workers' rights issues, and Operation Genesis 19:24–25 (in part) would be the censorship related portions (I might try to mention this by name when I get to Zuk's edits later.

While not mentioned in the proposal I think the amount of time put into the data for Liga Imperial (soccer/football) is noteworthy. The main article is more of a summary, for further information see the pages for the 2020-21, 2021-22, and 2022-23 seasons.

Otherwise, looks good! The kind of condemn that was pretty common in years past but doesn't happen any more.

Thank you! I'm hoping this will encourage regions to put forth roleplay leaders for such consideration. While this proposal itself is purely in-character, Creeper has had a lot of community contributions out of character with leadership especially in the roleplay (but also in the broader community) that motivated me to pursue this.

Between the posts listed here - especially the football season pages - and Northumbria's posts, I'm definitely inclined to support this.

[The Orwell Society]

Whit it is not. Name one instance where you have written more than a paragraph or two (or, purhaps just as challenging, more than three sentences) of actual quality roleplay

Why is length of posts inherently proof of quality?

It usually isn't, but when it comes to one-liners.…

[Libertarian Switzerland-]

Why is length of posts inherently proof of quality?

It usually isn't, but when it comes to one-liners.…

Does Creeperopolis capture the thoughts and feelings of the soldiers in his war RPs?
Me and -Northumbria both do.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Whit it is not. Name one instance where you have written more than a paragraph or two (or, purhaps just as challenging, more than three sentences) of actual quality roleplay

Why is length of posts inherently proof of quality?

Because no one liner is of sufficient length to impart quality, meaning or anything really.

It usually isn't, but when it comes to one-liners.…

Does Creeperopolis capture the thoughts and feelings of the soldiers in his war RPs?
Me and -Northumbria both do.

Based on the posts Northumbria has shared here - it would be inaccurate to call them a quality RPer.

It would also be threadjacking, somewhat, I believe.

[Malphe II]

what a strange thread
Will say that Creeper's formatting on the wiki is very impressive, it scratches my lizard brain and I wish there were more resources on NS history like it.

[Quebecshire]

The draft is updated. I revised the mass-censorship sub-clause to mention Operation Genesis by name. I've referred to it as "Operation Genesis" as opposed to "Operation Genesis 19:24–25" to avoid a potential 2(b) violation. The current usage as a name on its own should be fine, as far as I'm aware?

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I've implemented most of your feedback. I think the only one I passed on was the one regarding the Creeperian purges due to a combination of character reasons and personal preferences. Overall, thank you very much, I quite liked the other stylistic suggestions!

Between the posts listed here - especially the football season pages - and Northumbria's posts, I'm definitely inclined to support this.

Thank you for your support!

[Lenlyvit]

The draft is updated. I revised the mass-censorship sub-clause to mention Operation Genesis by name. I've referred to it as "Operation Genesis" as opposed to "Operation Genesis 19:24–25" to avoid a potential 2(b) violation. The current usage as a name on its own should be fine, as far as I'm aware?

My only question is if the Holy Bible is cannon in Creeperopolis? If it is, or if it's cannon in your RP world, it's perfectly okay to use the full name including "19:24-25" without hitting that R2(b) on the head.

[Nunaqujjuk]

im for this

[Quebecshire]

The draft is updated. I revised the mass-censorship sub-clause to mention Operation Genesis by name. I've referred to it as "Operation Genesis" as opposed to "Operation Genesis 19:24–25" to avoid a potential 2(b) violation. The current usage as a name on its own should be fine, as far as I'm aware?

My only question is if the Holy Bible is cannon in Creeperopolis? If it is, or if it's cannon in your RP world, it's perfectly okay to use the full name including "19:24-25" without hitting that R2(b) on the head.

Creeperopolis' state religion is an RP version of Catholicism, the canon equivalent being the Creeperian Catholic Bible (as there are no Romans in our universe etc), so in that case I will use the full name. Thanks for the tip!

[The Universe World]

Support because I am in the LDF.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Just given this another read through (sorry, it wasn’t earlier, work, no home internet, zombies all got in the way) and I’m glad to see my first impressions were not misplaced.

This is a very detailed, well written proposal which I shall be happy to support. You have made an excellent case for Condemning the nominee.

[All Wild Things]

-reply-

Thanks for that!

[-Northumbria]

Are we really going to pretend that this:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=49439906
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=49480559
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=49494239

Is the same as this:

viewtopic.php?p=36075485#p36075485
viewtopic.php?p=35180652#p35180652
viewtopic.php?p=35510695#p35510695

?

Come on. I get that most of you supporting this aren't RPers, but you don't exactly need to be one to understand the difference here.

I am an RPer, and an RPer (which you are not) would know that you don't need to write dozens, if not hundreds, of paragraphs to create a good post that is nice to read. Imo, the best part of an RP is the end result from all of that work you have done in the RP beforehand, which for those of us that don't know much about RP (you), is called worldbuilding. Also, I like that you've cherrypicked posts to compare to Creeper's posts. Those amazing posts are few and far between... especially when compared to your posts.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=525655
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=525549&p=40075581#p40075581
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=525588
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=525589

Now, there is great roleplay like the forum posts you linked in your posts. Then, there is pretty good roleplay that I enjoy reading like Creeper's. Then, there is mediocre roleplay that is alright and is pretty simple. Then, there is terrible roleplay that requires that I hold a funeral for all the brain cells I lost. Could you guess which one your posts are in? It's definitely not great or pretty good like you have been boasting in this thread. No, your roleplay is not on par with Creeper's, and it won't be as long as you spend half of your time in here boasting about how great and right you are and about how wrong everyone else is instead of improving your roleplay and trying to make it great.

This proposal is great; Creeper deserves a condemn. He puts a lot of work into that wiki and it is very enjoyable to read through. Yes, worldbuilding is roleplay, and yes, Creeper has done a lot of it. I fully support this proposal and will recommend everyone I know to vote for it.

I am an RPer, actually, and given you literally link to my posts I am not sure why you would try to deny it. You do appear to have posted in the RP forums a few times, yes, but you can hardly presume to lecture me on my RP (which is, whether you like it or not, on par with Creeper's). And yes of course I'm cherrypicking posts, in the sense that I'm not just randomly selecting from the first page of II. These are posts from RPers and groups of RPers who have been recognised by the Security Council.

Between the posts listed here - especially the football season pages - and Northumbria's posts, I'm definitely inclined to support this.

Well, I would not support a proposal just because someone pointed out its flaws, but it is your choice.

Just given this another read through (sorry, it wasn’t earlier, work, no home internet, zombies all got in the way) and I’m glad to see my first impressions were not misplaced.

This is a very detailed, well written proposal which I shall be happy to support. You have made an excellent case for Condemning the nominee.

Excellent? No, and the actual OOC reason definitely not.

[Lenlyvit]

I like this resolution, and think the nominee is very deserving of this honor by the Security Council. It's very well written, very detailed, and I'm looking forward to voting for on it.

I am an RPer, and an RPer (which you are not) would know that you don't need to write dozens, if not hundreds, of paragraphs to create a good post that is nice to read. Imo, the best part of an RP is the end result from all of that work you have done in the RP beforehand, which for those of us that don't know much about RP (you), is called worldbuilding. Also, I like that you've cherrypicked posts to compare to Creeper's posts. Those amazing posts are few and far between... especially when compared to your posts.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=525655
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=525549&p=40075581#p40075581
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=525588
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=525589

Now, there is great roleplay like the forum posts you linked in your posts. Then, there is pretty good roleplay that I enjoy reading like Creeper's. Then, there is mediocre roleplay that is alright and is pretty simple. Then, there is terrible roleplay that requires that I hold a funeral for all the brain cells I lost. Could you guess which one your posts are in? It's definitely not great or pretty good like you have been boasting in this thread. No, your roleplay is not on par with Creeper's, and it won't be as long as you spend half of your time in here boasting about how great and right you are and about how wrong everyone else is instead of improving your roleplay and trying to make it great.

This proposal is great; Creeper deserves a condemn. He puts a lot of work into that wiki and it is very enjoyable to read through. Yes, worldbuilding is roleplay, and yes, Creeper has done a lot of it. I fully support this proposal and will recommend everyone I know to vote for it.

I am an RPer, actually, and given you literally link to my posts I am not sure why you would try to deny it. You do appear to have posted in the RP forums a few times, yes, but you can hardly presume to lecture me on my RP (which is, whether you like it or not, on par with Creeper's). And yes of course I'm cherrypicking posts, in the sense that I'm not just randomly selecting from the first page of II. These are posts from RPers and groups of RPers who have been recognised by the Security Council.

Between the posts listed here - especially the football season pages - and Northumbria's posts, I'm definitely inclined to support this.

Well, I would not support a proposal just because someone pointed out its flaws, but it is your choice.

Just given this another read through (sorry, it wasn’t earlier, work, no home internet, zombies all got in the way) and I’m glad to see my first impressions were not misplaced.

This is a very detailed, well written proposal which I shall be happy to support. You have made an excellent case for Condemning the nominee.

Excellent? No, and the actual OOC reason definitely not.

I think you need to spend less time arguing about your own RP abilities, and spend more time in the RP boards to perfect them. Your posts are nowhere near Creeper's, by any definition. They have been role playing on this site for 7 years, whereas you haven't been around nearly as long. I think this is getting into threadjacking territory, so it may be best to just ignore Northumbria from here on unless it's real critique of the proposal.

[Sanctaria]

Happy to support this. Love seeing RP C/Cs.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Just given this another read through (sorry, it wasn’t earlier, work, no home internet, zombies all got in the way) and I’m glad to see my first impressions were not misplaced.

This is a very detailed, well written proposal which I shall be happy to support. You have made an excellent case for Condemning the nominee.

Excellent? No, and the actual OOC reason definitely not.

It may have escaped your attention but your opinion here in the SC is pretty much worthless. You will never pass a C&C however often you try and you will never stop one being passed.

[Quebecshire]

Alrighty then. As some general notes, I've updated some grammar stuff, and I am planning to submit this around the weekend. Might make some more tweaks in the meantime. Feedback remains welcome up until the point of submission.

I trust Lenlyvit insofar as the wording regarding "Genesis 19:24-25" so I'll be submitting it with that, but is anyone else (ideally a mod to ease my paranoia) able to affirm the legality of that?

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Now for being grateful and whatnot:

Just given this another read through (sorry, it wasn’t earlier, work, no home internet, zombies all got in the way) and I’m glad to see my first impressions were not misplaced.

This is a very detailed, well written proposal which I shall be happy to support. You have made an excellent case for Condemning the nominee.

Thank you for the kind words BBD.

Well, I would not support a proposal just because someone pointed out its flaws, but it is your choice.

Good thing he mentioned other reasons (those football season pages are quite detailed!)

I like this resolution, and think the nominee is very deserving of this honor by the Security Council. It's very well written, very detailed, and I'm looking forward to voting for on it.

Thank you Lenly!

Happy to support this. Love seeing RP C/Cs.

Thank you Sanctaria!

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Between the posts listed here - especially the football season pages - and Northumbria's posts, I'm definitely inclined to support this.

Well, I would not support a proposal just because someone pointed out its flaws, but it is your choice.

To be clear, part of why I'm supporting this is the way you have conducted yourself in this topic. Your arrogant posts which reveal a level of self-importance wholly unearned based on the examples of your RP that you yourself have provided, coupled with your aggressive interactions both with the author and other posters, lead me to not only support this, but also that I do my best to ensure that The North Pacific supports this - hi I'm madjack TNP's most recent delegate before this one - and for that region to use its influence to encourage other members of its WA bloc WALL - and other allies - also support it.

[Quebecshire]

A couple tweaks... Character count is presently 4,999 (lol/whew). I am looking to submit this on the weekend, probably Saturday.

"managed" -> "manages" in the Lamenting clause, since it's an ongoing circumstance.

"Suppression - "crackdown" when discussing La’Matanza, I think the wording is stronger.

"public relations -> "propaganda" when describing Alexander II. Sounds more condemnable, "public relations" sounded rhetorically weaker to me, and the proposal is meant to be fairly scathing. "Leader" -> "Head" when describing ACG.

"Suppressing" -> "Decimating" in regard to the Senvarian subclause, since the word "suppress" is also used in the censorship sub-clause. This should avoid the repetition.

Rewording the censorship sub-clause to "Censoring Creeperian media and discourse en masse via Operation Genesis 19:24-25...", as I think this fits with the style/introduction of the other subclauses better.

"International alliance" -> "pact of subversion" to describe the Cooperation and Development Coalition.

"Tight grip" -> "Near-colonial grip" when describing Creeperopolis and Salisford's relationship with Sur/Neosur.

"Defend" -> "validate" in the Censuring clause.

[-Northumbria]

I think you need to spend less time arguing about your own RP abilities, and spend more time in the RP boards to perfect them. Your posts are nowhere near Creeper's, by any definition. They have been role playing on this site for 7 years, whereas you haven't been around nearly as long. I think this is getting into threadjacking territory, so it may be best to just ignore Northumbria from here on unless it's real critique of the proposal.

Actually, I have been roleplaying on this site since 2013, so you are wrong and I look forward to you formally apologising for your inaccuracy. On my account Nationalist Northumbria alone, I have more than 2,000 posts on the RP boards; in contrast, Creeperopolis only has 4.

Happy to support this. Love seeing RP C/Cs.

With all due respect, you have a total of 11 posts in the NS and II forums. Perhaps, if you love to see RP C/Cs, you should consider the opinions of RPers. I note that the other RPer who replied to this thread was, unlike those who have regrettably used this thread as an excuse to air personal grudges, won over by my arguments and is now opposed to this proposal.

Excellent? No, and the actual OOC reason definitely not.

It may have escaped your attention but your opinion here in the SC is pretty much worthless. You will never pass a C&C however often you try and you will never stop one being passed.

And yet I'm right.

Well, I would not support a proposal just because someone pointed out its flaws, but it is your choice.

To be clear, part of why I'm supporting this is the way you have conducted yourself in this topic. Your arrogant posts which reveal a level of self-importance wholly unearned based on the examples of your RP that you yourself have provided, coupled with your aggressive interactions both with the author and other posters, lead me to not only support this, but also that I do my best to ensure that The North Pacific supports this - hi I'm madjack TNP's most recent delegate before this one - and for that region to use its influence to encourage other members of its WA bloc WALL - and other allies - also support it.

Again, it is your choice. But it is also your own nose you are cutting off.

[The Orwell Society]

I think you need to spend less time arguing about your own RP abilities, and spend more time in the RP boards to perfect them. Your posts are nowhere near Creeper's, by any definition. They have been role playing on this site for 7 years, whereas you haven't been around nearly as long. I think this is getting into threadjacking territory, so it may be best to just ignore Northumbria from here on unless it's real critique of the proposal.

Actually, I have been roleplaying on this site since 2013, so you are wrong and I look forward to you formally apologising for your inaccuracy. On my account Nationalist Northumbria alone, I have more than 2,000 posts on the RP boards; in contrast, Creeperopolis only has 4.

Happy to support this. Love seeing RP C/Cs.

With all due respect, you have a total of 11 posts in the NS and II forums. Perhaps, if you love to see RP C/Cs, you should consider the opinions of RPers. I note that the other RPer who replied to this thread was, unlike those who have regrettably used this thread as an excuse to air personal grudges, won over by my arguments and is now opposed to this proposal.

It may have escaped your attention but your opinion here in the SC is pretty much worthless. You will never pass a C&C however often you try and you will never stop one being passed.

And yet I'm right.

To be clear, part of why I'm supporting this is the way you have conducted yourself in this topic. Your arrogant posts which reveal a level of self-importance wholly unearned based on the examples of your RP that you yourself have provided, coupled with your aggressive interactions both with the author and other posters, lead me to not only support this, but also that I do my best to ensure that The North Pacific supports this - hi I'm madjack TNP's most recent delegate before this one - and for that region to use its influence to encourage other members of its WA bloc WALL - and other allies - also support it.

Again, it is your choice. But it is also your own nose you are cutting off.

You are not a true roleplayer. Every bit of those 2000 posts is one to three line, low quality, unoriginal; and so what if Creeper doesn't forum RP? It doesn't fucking matter, so bugger off, you've made your arrogant little point.

[Magecastle Embassy Building A5]

With all due respect, you have a total of 11 posts in the NS and II forums. Perhaps, if you love to see RP C/Cs, you should consider the opinions of RPers.

I find this cherrypicking cute, considering that Sanctaria has 308 posts in F&NI alone (as of now), and has linked examples of their roleplaying in their forum sig.

[Fort Concord]

Northumbria’s entire string of arguments (and calling them arguments is charitable) have been cherry-picking or goalpost moving so I’m not sure what else you’d expect.

[Valentine Z]

Will support, yas. RP C/Cs are good. <3

[Lenlyvit]

I think you need to spend less time arguing about your own RP abilities, and spend more time in the RP boards to perfect them. Your posts are nowhere near Creeper's, by any definition. They have been role playing on this site for 7 years, whereas you haven't been around nearly as long. I think this is getting into threadjacking territory, so it may be best to just ignore Northumbria from here on unless it's real critique of the proposal.

Actually, I have been roleplaying on this site since 2013, so you are wrong and I look forward to you formally apologising for your inaccuracy. On my account Nationalist Northumbria alone, I have more than 2,000 posts on the RP boards; in contrast, Creeperopolis only has 4.

Happy to support this. Love seeing RP C/Cs.

With all due respect, you have a total of 11 posts in the NS and II forums. Perhaps, if you love to see RP C/Cs, you should consider the opinions of RPers. I note that the other RPer who replied to this thread was, unlike those who have regrettably used this thread as an excuse to air personal grudges, won over by my arguments and is now opposed to this proposal.

It may have escaped your attention but your opinion here in the SC is pretty much worthless. You will never pass a C&C however often you try and you will never stop one being passed.

And yet I'm right.

To be clear, part of why I'm supporting this is the way you have conducted yourself in this topic. Your arrogant posts which reveal a level of self-importance wholly unearned based on the examples of your RP that you yourself have provided, coupled with your aggressive interactions both with the author and other posters, lead me to not only support this, but also that I do my best to ensure that The North Pacific supports this - hi I'm madjack TNP's most recent delegate before this one - and for that region to use its influence to encourage other members of its WA bloc WALL - and other allies - also support it.

Again, it is your choice. But it is also your own nose you are cutting off.

Nationalist Northumbria was founded in 2019, not 2013. I'm not apologizing because I have nothing to apologize for. We're getting beyond the point of where this matters for the proposal at hand, so it's best if you let this go.