by European Federal Union » Wed May 01, 2024 11:51 am
by Heldervin » Wed May 01, 2024 1:27 pm
by Lemueria » Wed May 01, 2024 1:48 pm
Heldervin wrote:The Lord, for his part, was disgusted at the crowds, especially since the state allowed violent protests. He shouted out the window, "Calm your protests down, before you injure someone else who is important!" After arriving within the court, he proclaimed to the judge, "I, His Most Honourable Lord Chaburteen XIV the Father Monarch of the House of Schreiberstudnt, hereby declare these allegations false, and place the possibility of me being guilty in, as the youngins say, 'garbage'."
by Heldervin » Wed May 01, 2024 1:54 pm
Lemueria wrote:Heldervin wrote:The Lord, for his part, was disgusted at the crowds, especially since the state allowed violent protests. He shouted out the window, "Calm your protests down, before you injure someone else who is important!" After arriving within the court, he proclaimed to the judge, "I, His Most Honourable Lord Chaburteen XIV the Father Monarch of the House of Schreiberstudnt, hereby declare these allegations false, and place the possibility of me being guilty in, as the youngins say, 'garbage'."
The Lemuerian representative started talking. "I, by the implicit consent of Lord-Emperor Velkintote II Velkintotenius, by the Will of God, of all Lemueria and Volkon, hereby do enter this trial and support the Lord's position, to an explicit degree."
by European Federal Union » Thu May 02, 2024 8:42 am
Heldervin wrote:The Lord, for his part, was disgusted at the crowds, especially since the state allowed violent protests. He shouted out the window, "Calm your protests down, before you injure someone else who is important!" After arriving within the court, he proclaimed to the judge, "I, His Most Honourable Lord Chaburteen XIV the Father Monarch of the House of Schreiberstudnt, hereby declare these allegations false, and place the possibility of me being guilty in, as the youngins say, 'garbage'."
by Lemueria » Thu May 02, 2024 8:58 am
by European Federal Union » Thu May 02, 2024 9:29 am
Lemueria wrote:The CSL representative squirmed in his seat, "Objection, your excellency! Where's the citation, especially about child supposed-slaves? I do hereby declare and fully believe that Heldervin did not put children into supposed-slavery, only non-working adults."
by Lemueria » Thu May 02, 2024 10:15 am
European Federal Union wrote:Lemueria wrote:The CSL representative squirmed in his seat, "Objection, your excellency! Where's the citation, especially about child supposed-slaves? I do hereby declare and fully believe that Heldervin did not put children into supposed-slavery, only non-working adults."
Law. Furina: "It is a shame that I have to provide citation for such obvious facts but fine here is the evidence, in form of a statment by a Heldervinian government agency, which openly states that it is legal to ensalve the offspring of slaves."
OOC: viewtopic.php?p=41460826#p41460826
"....It is considered illegal to enslave children, unless a child is the offspring of a slave....."
by European Federal Union » Thu May 02, 2024 10:31 am
Lemueria wrote:"And your excellency, I do have to critique your immeasurably wrongful claims by saying that first of all, that where is the citation for them selling child supposed-slaves and especially first before 'normal' supposed-slaves, actually your words there are ambiguous and are at worst discriminationary to adult supposed-slaves. Next, the words there can be interpreted to imply that a child is not by default enslaved but even when the offspring of a slave needs to be enslaved, but children go to education, and education, though, ambiguously can mean the criteria of work, which means that de facto it might be impossible for child supposed-slaves to exist. Next I do still acknowledge that this doesn't relate with the Lord in anyway and the practice of supposed-slavery itself is unclear and ambiguous."
by Heldervin » Thu May 02, 2024 11:15 am
European Federal Union wrote:Heldervin wrote:The Lord, for his part, was disgusted at the crowds, especially since the state allowed violent protests. He shouted out the window, "Calm your protests down, before you injure someone else who is important!" After arriving within the court, he proclaimed to the judge, "I, His Most Honourable Lord Chaburteen XIV the Father Monarch of the House of Schreiberstudnt, hereby declare these allegations false, and place the possibility of me being guilty in, as the youngins say, 'garbage'."
Judge Judy: "I see. Hearing that the defense is standing by the point of innocence, I herby give the word over to the states reprisentative, as she has yet to arrive I woul-"
Suddently, someone kicked in the door, interrupting Judy as she was about to finish her sentence. Through the open door, a very young woman with pale skin, white hair, and deep blue eyes entered the hall, walking toward the table with the mark reading for the Laywer of the European Federal Union. She put down a stack of paper that she had carried in her arms before walking up to the middle table right in front of the judges, looking in the direction of the obsevers and started to speak.
Law. Furina: "Greetings, my dear underlings, I, the glorious laywer Furina, have today got the incredible honor to prosecute and legalize the arrest and detention of this human scum into a facility that will make sure he is punished for the rest of his life. The first accusation, or rather the fact of the first crime he committed, has been the international crime of slavery and the trade of slaves under his raign and with his agreement within Heldervin. He and his government organized the sale of millions of originally child slaves but then also of normal slaves, selling millions of individuals to foreign nations. In addition to that, there have also been tens of millions of slaves who have been held within Heldervin and there forced to work against their will, which is a international crime and violates any principle of self determination. All of these crimes are well documented and have been the cause of a major controversy."
Judge Judy: "Thanks for your statment miss, I give the word back to the defnedant how to you respond to those allegations?"
by Lemueria » Thu May 02, 2024 11:36 am
European Federal Union wrote:Lemueria wrote:"And your excellency, I do have to critique your immeasurably wrongful claims by saying that first of all, that where is the citation for them selling child supposed-slaves and especially first before 'normal' supposed-slaves, actually your words there are ambiguous and are at worst discriminationary to adult supposed-slaves. Next, the words there can be interpreted to imply that a child is not by default enslaved but even when the offspring of a slave needs to be enslaved, but children go to education, and education, though, ambiguously can mean the criteria of work, which means that de facto it might be impossible for child supposed-slaves to exist. Next I do still acknowledge that this doesn't relate with the Lord in anyway and the practice of supposed-slavery itself is unclear and ambiguous."
Judge Judy: "Before giving the word back to the state, if I understand you correctly you state that there has been no exports of child slaves within Heldervin. I will pointout that while I will keep your answer in mind, regardless of it is wrong or right, the impact it will have on the court ruleing is limited."
by European Federal Union » Thu May 02, 2024 11:49 am
Lemueria wrote:"My meaning was much more complex and nuanced than what you are implying, a gross underestimation of my arguments. I am saying that a child supposed-slave cannot technically be a child supposed-slave, and if you cannot disprove me, it really sounds like you're trying to slide it off."
Heldervin wrote:"Objection, Your Most Honourable Judge Judy! I never organized such actions, it was the government."
by Heldervin » Thu May 02, 2024 11:53 am
European Federal Union wrote:Lemueria wrote:"My meaning was much more complex and nuanced than what you are implying, a gross underestimation of my arguments. I am saying that a child supposed-slave cannot technically be a child supposed-slave, and if you cannot disprove me, it really sounds like you're trying to slide it off."
Judge. Judy: "I asked you a simple question, I as judge am not here to argue with you, and the way you respond is incredibly disrespectful."Heldervin wrote:"Objection, Your Most Honourable Judge Judy! I never organized such actions, it was the government."
Judge. Judy: "Ths seems like a fair point, however what does the state say about this?"
Law. Furina: "To this I must say, that while he didnt organized any of these actions, he did endourse them and never attempted to do anything about this issue, instead of supporing or defecting to the anti slaver groups in Heldervin he also proudly supported the harsh fighting to stamp out the enemies of Heldervinian slavery. I must also add that he rejected any peace deal offered to Heldervin, thus contineing the war."
"And my dear judge, the Lemuerian here quite litterally incriminated himself, first by avoiding to answering a questioned voiced by a courts honourable judge, and second by publically denailing the Heldervinian child slave trade, which has been something which our own government confirmed having brough a couple thousand child slaves as test. I herby demand him to be arrested and temporarily detained."
by Assassins BrotherHoodd » Thu May 02, 2024 12:10 pm
by European Federal Union » Thu May 02, 2024 9:51 pm
Heldervin wrote:"Objection again, Your Most Honourable! I cannot legally stop them if the ministers and provincial representatives are in favour, that has been law since our unification, and that will remain as law. I legally do not have the power to accept or reject peace deals either. I am essentially just a figurehead."
by Heldervin » Fri May 03, 2024 2:25 am
European Federal Union wrote:Heldervin wrote:"Objection again, Your Most Honourable! I cannot legally stop them if the ministers and provincial representatives are in favour, that has been law since our unification, and that will remain as law. I legally do not have the power to accept or reject peace deals either. I am essentially just a figurehead."
Lay. Furina: "Hower you happily continued to serve as figurehead for a government which traded with slaves, while also profiting from the slavery system. Even if you held no power, you never even stated that those actions have been something you where against, nor have you ever given an opinion against Heldervins wartime narrative. Our honour, its as clear as the day, he was a supporter of the system and happily played the role as figurehead giving a slave holding and selling government credibility, which on itself should already be enough to sentence him."
by European Federal Union » Sat May 04, 2024 1:04 am
Heldervin wrote:"Let's look at my father. He hated being the lord. He abdicated. He died that same year, only days later. That is hardly a coincidence. Look at Katharine V. She abdicated. She died shortly. You see a pattern? By abdicating, we are seen as a traitor to the people, and no longer a Defender of the Lives. Hence, we are executed. And that would break the hearts of my family, no? And of the people who love me, no? And you can not speak for me. We don't publish our laws to foreign countries, at least not the discussion for them. So, Your Most Honourable Judge Judy, I hereby counter Lawyer Furina, and I do request, on this 3rd May day of 2059, to turn over my defense to one of the peoples of the Heldervinian city-states."
by Heldervin » Sat May 04, 2024 1:35 pm
European Federal Union wrote:Heldervin wrote:"Let's look at my father. He hated being the lord. He abdicated. He died that same year, only days later. That is hardly a coincidence. Look at Katharine V. She abdicated. She died shortly. You see a pattern? By abdicating, we are seen as a traitor to the people, and no longer a Defender of the Lives. Hence, we are executed. And that would break the hearts of my family, no? And of the people who love me, no? And you can not speak for me. We don't publish our laws to foreign countries, at least not the discussion for them. So, Your Most Honourable Judge Judy, I hereby counter Lawyer Furina, and I do request, on this 3rd May day of 2059, to turn over my defense to one of the peoples of the Heldervinian city-states."
Lay. Furina: "And? Do you have any evidence to prove that those killings have been conducted by your government and that because of those former monarchs stepping down. Furthermore, do you have any evidence which proves that you are not gulti of supporting the actions of your government."
by European Federal Union » Sun May 05, 2024 1:23 am
Heldervin wrote:"Why yes, actually." He would then proceed to ask if he could borrow a computer in order to access the official government files.
by Heldervin » Sun May 05, 2024 1:27 am
European Federal Union wrote:Heldervin wrote:"Why yes, actually." He would then proceed to ask if he could borrow a computer in order to access the official government files.
Law. Furina: "Sadly this is not possible, you should brought and handed the evidence for your claims over to the judges before the case starts."
by European Federal Union » Sun May 05, 2024 1:51 am
Heldervin wrote:"I wasn't asking you, Ms. Furina," Chaburteen snapped tersely, his face muscles tightening. "I was taken hostage, mind you. How do I retrieve documents? Must I also note that we do not keep paper copies?"
by Heldervin » Sun May 05, 2024 3:41 am
European Federal Union wrote:Heldervin wrote:"I wasn't asking you, Ms. Furina," Chaburteen snapped tersely, his face muscles tightening. "I was taken hostage, mind you. How do I retrieve documents? Must I also note that we do not keep paper copies?"
Judge Judy: "I must state that was Furina said is true, you should have pressented and brough all the evidence which yo would need beforehand. I must also point out, that it took you quite a while to get here hower you at no point asked anyone for anything you could use to defend yourself, and if you cannot provide evidence for your claim now, I must give this point to the state."
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