UK Politics Thread: The Good Friday Arraignment

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:42 pm

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― Old Tyrannia

This thread is for discussing UK Politics, from the myriad local issues in the various Constituent nations to wider National issues affecting the entire country. It could be the cost of living crisis, Brexit, devolution, the Monarchy or whatever, as long as it is political and relates to the UK feel free to bring it up for a discussion. Please observe the forum rules when participating here. If you see someone breaking the rules then please report it in Moderation.

Last thread here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=519260

I asked in the previous thread if folks would like to me to continue OP'ing this thread and people seemed happy with that idea so here i am, bout ye, be civil please and give me poll ideas plx.

by **Great Britain and Northrn Ireland** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:44 pm

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:45 pm

Great Britain and Northrn Ireland wrote:1st

finger guns.

If anyone has a poll idea for the new thread, make a comment and tomorrow afternoon when im done with work and get back home ill set it up for you all.

by **Vassenor** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:57 pm

But yeah, it is funny to watch the Mail journos lose their minds over getting exactly what they asked for.

by **Ostroeuropa** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:15 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Great Britain and Northrn Ireland wrote:1st

finger guns.

If anyone has a poll idea for the new thread, make a comment and tomorrow afternoon when im done with work and get back home ill set it up for you all.

Which dynasty do you want as the monarchs?

Windsor
Stuart
Capet
Godwin
Dynevor
Bonaparte

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For the memes.

by **Philjia** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:17 pm

Well, since the manoeuvring of the parties to establish their message for the next election has started...

Poll idea:
What issue(s) most matter to you at the next election? (Redfield and WIlton had a good selection of options: https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/stat ... 6488236033)

by **Neanderthaland** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:59 pm

Vassenor wrote:But yeah, it is funny to watch the Mail journos lose their minds over getting exactly what they asked for.

"I never thought the leopards would eat MY passport," says person who voted for the leopards eating passports referendum.

by **Forsher** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:34 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:finger guns.

If anyone has a poll idea for the new thread, make a comment and tomorrow afternoon when im done with work and get back home ill set it up for you all.

Which dynasty do you want as the monarchs?

Windsor
Stuart
Capet
Godwin
Dynevor
Bonaparte

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For the memes.

Dynevor please.

Mountbatten.

by **Hurdergaryp** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:37 pm

by **Northern Seleucia** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:40 pm

So, as an American, I know little about UK politics (though I am somewhat related to the former PM Disraeli), but I've been seeing a lot of these people going after those Just Stop Oil protesters. I mean, I probably would to, to be honest, but are they that bad and widespread?

by **Ifreann** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:00 pm

The Huskar Social Union, by the Grace of God of the Thread of the Politics of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of his other Topics King, Lord of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Defender of the Faith, and Protector of the Realm.

by **Tinhampton** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:13 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:So, as an American, I know little about UK politics (though I am somewhat related to the former PM Disraeli), but I've been seeing a lot of these people going after those Just Stop Oil protesters. I mean, I probably would to, to be honest, but are they that bad and widespread?

Bad to the extent they slow-walk roads and disrupt major events. Widespread to the extent they only slow-walk roads in central London and disrupt major sporting events that aren't football. (They did go after football first with the locking onto goalposts but appear to have stopped just after they began.)

by **Shamhnan Insir** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:18 pm

Sniff sniff sniff...

Well it certainly smells better than the standard 2023 beach holiday in the South of England, so I guess we'll stay here this summer.

by **The Archregimancy** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:02 am

Currently reading Roy Hattersley's biography of David Lloyd George - one of the most frustrating and difficult to assess Prime Ministers of the 20th century.

The reason I'm bringing this up here is for a detail that will raise a Huskar eyebrow. According to Hattersley, Lloyd George privately told Sinn Fein leaders in the lead-up to the 1920 Government of Ireland Act that while they would have to accept that partition was going to happen whether they liked it or not, the borders of the six counties of Northern Ireland were being deliberately drawn in such a way as to make Irish unification inevitable. Hattersley uses this as an example of Lloyd George's typical negotiating technique, but if true, then the Prime Minister never intended partition to be permanent. Or given that this is David Lloyd George, perhaps it would be better to say that the then-Prime Minister wasn't invested in the permanence of Northern Ireland, which he considered secondary to delivering his government programme in Great Britain; the Unionist (in the Westminster sense) members of his post-war coalition likely viewed the situation very differently, which was almost certainly a contributing factor (alongside the more immediate catalyst of the Turkish crisis) in the Conservative & Unionist Party discarding Lloyd George as PM in 1922.

There's no timescale offered over that Lloyd George assertion that Irish unification was inevitable, but the strong implication is that he was thinking of 20-30 years rather than more than a century.

by **British Arzelentaxmacone** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:07 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
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I love how all these headlines sound like clickbait articles you’d find at the bottom of a sketchy game website.

by **The Archregimancy** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:08 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
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Also, this system is almost identical to that used on entry to the United States, where fingerprinting is mandatory for most non-resident foreign nationals. I assume the Daily Mail is now going to campaign just as vigorously about the 'Big Brother' queues faced by British citizens at American airports - or by anyone pre-clearing US immigration at Dublin Airport. The queue in Dublin when I flew on Aer Lingus to Chicago last year was monstrous (though worth it for then being able to just walk off the plane at O'Hare for my connecting flight to Detroit).

by **Forsher** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:54 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:
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Also, this system is almost identical to that used on entry to the United States, where fingerprinting is mandatory for most non-resident foreign nationals. I assume the Daily Mail is now going to campaign just as vigorously about the 'Big Brother' queues faced by British citizens at American airports - or by anyone pre-clearing US immigration at Dublin Airport. The queue in Dublin when I flew on Aer Lingus to Chicago last year was monstrous (though worth it for then being able to just walk off the plane at O'Hare for my connecting flight to Detroit).

You should try Heathrow without a British passport.

by **Austria-Bohemia-Hungary** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:58 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
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I wonder how many Daily Mail editors have villas in Spain.

by **British Arzelentaxmacone** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:48 am

Honestly newspapers like the Daily Mail survive off exaggeration - hyperbole is like their sliced bread. Most newspapers follow the same formula of -

- A story about Meghan Markle (double points if comparing her to Kate Middleton).

- A story about how a household product can kill you - it probably can’t.

- A story comparing an aspect of UK politics to 1984 or any other dystopian society.

- [politician name here] vows to [hyperbole verb here] [controversial item here].

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:16 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Currently reading Roy Hattersley's biography of David Lloyd George - one of the most frustrating and difficult to assess Prime Ministers of the 20th century.

The reason I'm bringing this up here is for a detail that will raise a Huskar eyebrow.

mfw

According to Hattersley, Lloyd George privately told Sinn Fein leaders in the lead-up to the 1920 Government of Ireland Act that while they would have to accept that partition was going to happen whether they liked it or not, the borders of the six counties of Northern Ireland were being deliberately drawn in such a way as to make Irish unification inevitable. Hattersley uses this as an example of Lloyd George's typical negotiating technique, but if true, then the Prime Minister never intended partition to be permanent. Or given that this is David Lloyd George, perhaps it would be better to say that the then-Prime Minister wasn't invested in the permanence of Northern Ireland, which he considered secondary to delivering his government programme in Great Britain; the Unionist (in the Westminster sense) members of his post-war coalition likely viewed the situation very differently, which was almost certainly a contributing factor (alongside the more immediate crisis of the Turkish crisis) in the Conservative & Unionist Party discarding Lloyd George as PM in 1922.

There's no timescale offered over that Lloyd George assertion that Irish unification was inevitable, but the strong implication is that he was thinking of 20-30 years rather than more than a century.

Thats genuinely interesting, thank you for sharing Arch

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:17 am

Philjia wrote:Well, since the manoeuvring of the parties to establish their message for the next election has started...

Poll idea:
What issue(s) most matter to you at the next election? (Redfield and WIlton had a good selection of options: https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/stat ... 6488236033)

Oh thats a solid idea, ill do this one.

edit: I will trim some options from the poll though since i have a 10 option limit in the poll.

by **Great Britain and Northrn Ireland** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:06 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:
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Also, this system is almost identical to that used on entry to the United States, where fingerprinting is mandatory for most non-resident foreign nationals. I assume the Daily Mail is now going to campaign just as vigorously about the 'Big Brother' queues faced by British citizens at American airports - or by anyone pre-clearing US immigration at Dublin Airport. The queue in Dublin when I flew on Aer Lingus to Chicago last year was monstrous (though worth it for then being able to just walk off the plane at O'Hare for my connecting flight to Detroit).

Even clearing US customs at mainland US airports isn't so bad. I flew into Boston back in June, and it wasn't a problem.

I'm off again on November 20th, so we'll see how bad things are with Thanksgiving just days away.

by **Hurdergaryp** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:15 am

British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:
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I love how all these headlines sound like clickbait articles you’d find at the bottom of a sketchy game website.

The Daily Mail always had such headlines, if I'm not mistaken. They already did clickbait before the internet was even a thing!

by **British Arzelentaxmacone** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:30 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:I love how all these headlines sound like clickbait articles you’d find at the bottom of a sketchy game website.

The Daily Mail always had such headlines, if I'm not mistaken. They already did clickbait before the internet was even a thing!

It’s half clickbait, half fearmongering really. A world leader can cough, and they’ll call it ‘a harrowing sign of world conflict’.

by **Hurdergaryp** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:34 am

British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:The Daily Mail always had such headlines, if I'm not mistaken. They already did clickbait before the internet was even a thing!

It’s half clickbait, half fearmongering really. A world leader can cough, and they’ll call it ‘a harrowing sign of world conflict’.

They don't call that mechanism the 'fear factory' because it is unproductive!

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