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Second Space Race: Economics and Geopolitics

Postby Durius » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:11 am

Tensions between the two major powers, the United States and China, are heating up. China is increasingly challenging the US-built world order, economically, diplomatically, militarily, and scientifically. Currently, we witness the start of two crucial fields of competition that might radically alter the global geopolitics: the green-transition race and the AI race. Both sides powers would like to dominate (or at least not be left behind) the development of these two technologies and industries. Essential to both is the securing of key resources. This is a particularly acute problem for the US given that a large part of these resources are in China or in third nations where China has made significant diplomatic or economic advances. Relatively smaller, but prospective powers, like the EU, have also started taking notice of the need to secure access to those resources.

This takes us to think outside-the-box or, in this case, outside-the-Earth. Many of the rare resources that are needed for the future aren't so rare in our solar system. A single asteroid of the millions that populate the Asteroid Belt has contains more of these resources than what we can find in Earth's crust. And although asteroid mining might still be half a century away, Moon mining might not be such an unreasonable undertaking. In fact, both the US and China are looking at the Moon as a potential geopolitical game-changer. The American-led Artemis program joins many of the signatories of the Artemis Accords in seeking to return to the Moon by 2025 and to establish a permanent base by 2032. Conversely, China along with its junior partner Russia, along three other nations so far, seek to land and establish a base in early 2030s.

The lunar South Pole is a leading candidate for these settlements (I'll avoid the word colonies, because it attracts anticolonialism feelings that I frankly find unfounded and often ignorant). The region presents good direct telecommunications with planet Earth, receives sunlight almost all year round, enabling power-generation through solar panels, and is rich in lunar craters, presenting a potential shadowed regions where water ice might be present. NASA named Shackleton crater as a potential site for a lunar base. China/Russia, for their side, named Malapert and Amundsen craters.

Now the interesting part is that the selected craters are located at around 350 kilometers from each other; distances equivalent to the distance between Washington DC and New York. This means that by mid 2030s we might have two relatively close human settlements in the Moon, belonging to two rival geopolitical blocs on Earth. Of course we should expect that some degree of cooperation between both sides and settlements will occur, excluding each other, they are after all, living farther apart from any other human than anyone ever was in any point in history. However, we should also expect tensions and competitions for the same resources to arise sooner or later, which will have consequences both on the both world of the Earth-Moon system.

Given how close this reality now appears to be, I find this topic super interesting. It gets even more complex when other nations seek to also establish a foot on the Moon (India is seeking to become the fourth nation, after US, China and Soviet Union/Russia, to land there a rover), and even private companies are drawing their own plans for exploration of this growing sector. What are your thoughts about this upcoming Second Space Race?

edit: I've changed the title in order to differentiate from the general space thread that was later created.
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Postby Cachard Calia » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:15 am

My thoughts are that it's overhyped. Also, first.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:26 am

Living on the moon seems like a bad idea. Imagine your ability to breathe relying on getting deliveries on time.
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Postby Makko Oko » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:28 am

Personally, we don't need to live on the moon or any other planet. We can live on ours if we just stop killing ourselves! Too bad most of the people in power don't appear to care about their home
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Postby Greater Somoiland » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:28 am

Ifreann wrote:Living on the moon seems like a bad idea. Imagine your ability to breathe relying on getting deliveries on time.

There would probably be something to extract oxygen from the moon for use in a moon base
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:31 am

Greater Somoiland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Living on the moon seems like a bad idea. Imagine your ability to breathe relying on getting deliveries on time.

There would probably be something to extract oxygen from the moon for use in a moon base

Ah, of course. Just extract oxygen from the rocks.
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Postby Cachard Calia » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Somoiland wrote:There would probably be something to extract oxygen from the moon for use in a moon base

Ah, of course. Just extract oxygen from the rocks.

You actually could get oxygen from the ice.
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Postby Inner Albania » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:39 am

Cachard Calia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ah, of course. Just extract oxygen from the rocks.

You actually could get oxygen from the ice.

Does Moon even have ice in the first place? I know Mars has water, so potential ice, but the Moon? I don't know.
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Postby Durius » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:50 am

Inner Albania wrote:
Cachard Calia wrote:You actually could get oxygen from the ice.

Does Moon even have ice in the first place? I know Mars has water, so potential ice, but the Moon? I don't know.

Yeah, ice can be found in the shadowed regions, thus the interest in craters and lava tubes.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:51 am

Cachard Calia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ah, of course. Just extract oxygen from the rocks.

You actually could get oxygen from the ice.

As long as the ice delivery isn't late.
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Postby Durius » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:55 am

Ifreann wrote:Living on the moon seems like a bad idea. Imagine your ability to breathe relying on getting deliveries on time.

Fortunately smarter people had the novel idea of self-sufficient settlements.

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Postby Inner Albania » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:58 am

Wouldn't Martian colonization be a better idea?

Mars has an atmosphere (albeit incompatible with the Earth's), Mars has water and Mars isn't far away from Earth.

There are even talks of colonizing Venus, because it's closer to Earth than Mars is, but I'm not a huge fan of Venusian colonization.
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Postby Redeeemed Black League » Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:01 am

Inner Albania wrote:Wouldn't Martian colonization be a better idea?

Mars has an atmosphere (albeit incompatible with the Earth's), Mars has water and Mars isn't far away from Earth.

There are even talks of colonizing Venus, because it's closer to Earth than Mars is, but I'm not a huge fan of Venusian colonization.

Check kurzgesagt videos of colonization of mars and the colonization of the moon and you will see that is better the moon than mars.
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A second Space Race probably wouldn't and shouldn't happen, and it would just be a distraction from real problems.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:09 am

Lunar mining is itself at least half a century away, we just don't have the infrastructure to support it yet. Also, it might actually be easier to mine NEOs than anything on the Moon because of the surface gravity.
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Cachard Calia wrote:You actually could get oxygen from the ice.

As long as the ice delivery isn't late.

As mentioned in the OP, there's ice at the lunar south pole, which combined with the near-constant sunlight at some of the high ground down there makes it pretty hot real estate that could easily be a source of competition for when we're ready to make use of it.
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Greater Somoiland wrote:There would probably be something to extract oxygen from the moon for use in a moon base

Ah, of course. Just extract oxygen from the rocks.

That is a waste product of breaking out aluminum from the surface regolith, a dedicated refinery won't have any shortage of oxygen.
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Postby Greater Somoiland » Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:41 am

Cachard Calia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ah, of course. Just extract oxygen from the rocks.

You actually could get oxygen from the ice.

Even if there wasn’t ice, you could start a cycle by just bringing some oxygen there and plants. Then it’ll circulate oxygen for your needs and start up an environment on the moon
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:45 am

Greater Somoiland wrote:
Cachard Calia wrote:You actually could get oxygen from the ice.

Even if there wasn’t ice, you could start a cycle by just bringing some oxygen there and plants. Then it’ll circulate oxygen for your needs and start up an environment on the moon

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Postby Juristonia » Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:01 am

Durius wrote:Fortunately smarter people had the novel idea of self-sufficient settlements.

You'd think we could use some of those people here on earth instead.
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Which home would you prefer? A massive spacious house with a generous 510 million square kilometers of free land with more than enough food to feed 10 billion people which can be perhaps one of the best house if you take care of it? Or, a literal barren wasteland with none of the components necessary for life that will require decades of preparation to even hope to be able to establish a semi-permanent presence there? If only the billionaires ruining the Earth could think of it that way...
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Khardsland wrote:Which home would you prefer? A massive spacious house with a generous 510 million square kilometers of free land with more than enough food to feed 10 billion people which can be perhaps one of the best house if you take care of it? Or, a literal barren wasteland with none of the components necessary for life that will require decades of preparation to even hope to be able to establish a semi-permanent presence there? If only the billionaires ruining the Earth could think of it that way...

Worst thing is, we're only thinking of colonizing moons and planets, because we neglected to maintain the Earth for a long time.
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Inner Albania wrote:
Khardsland wrote:Which home would you prefer? A massive spacious house with a generous 510 million square kilometers of free land with more than enough food to feed 10 billion people which can be perhaps one of the best house if you take care of it? Or, a literal barren wasteland with none of the components necessary for life that will require decades of preparation to even hope to be able to establish a semi-permanent presence there? If only the billionaires ruining the Earth could think of it that way...

Worst thing is, we're only thinking of colonizing moons and planets, because we neglected to maintain the Earth for a long time.

Still, expansion isn’t a bad thing. Progress is good. The unfortunate thing about the progress we’ve made is just how bad it is for our planet. Hopefully it’ll get reversed in time
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Postby Durius » Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:29 am

Khardsland wrote:Which home would you prefer? A massive spacious house with a generous 510 million square kilometers of free land with more than enough food to feed 10 billion people which can be perhaps one of the best house if you take care of it? Or, a literal barren wasteland with none of the components necessary for life that will require decades of preparation to even hope to be able to establish a semi-permanent presence there? If only the billionaires ruining the Earth could think of it that way...


You just need some people that are willing to go there. We have permanent bases in Antarctica, for instance. Likely those going to work there would yearn a quite good salary before retiring back to Earth. Furthermore, in China's case, people don't even have to be willing to go, they can just be sent there.

Also, dislocating our mineral extraction to the Moon would safeguard several environments on Earth. Still, my main point is not to argue for or against settling the Moon, but it's consequences, because it will happen. Evolving geopolitics alone will it.

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Khardsland wrote:Which home would you prefer? A massive spacious house with a generous 510 million square kilometers of free land with more than enough food to feed 10 billion people which can be perhaps one of the best house if you take care of it? Or, a literal barren wasteland with none of the components necessary for life that will require decades of preparation to even hope to be able to establish a semi-permanent presence there? If only the billionaires ruining the Earth could think of it that way...

Worst thing is, we're only thinking of colonizing moons and planets, because we neglected to maintain the Earth for a long time.


Like I said in my OP, I disagree that's the cause. This space race is not being fueled by a desire to flee from Earth, but a desire to get access to important resources that are rare on Earth.
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Postby Inner Albania » Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:29 am

Greater Somoiland wrote:
Inner Albania wrote:Worst thing is, we're only thinking of colonizing moons and planets, because we neglected to maintain the Earth for a long time.

Still, expansion isn’t a bad thing. Progress is good. The unfortunate thing about the progress we’ve made is just how bad it is for our planet. Hopefully it’ll get reversed in time

Yeah, I also hope it'll eventually get reversed in time. Although, I'm not sure, since many scientists say we're close to (or possibly even reached) the point of no return.
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