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Should a women-only hour at the gym be the standard policy?

Postby Chessmistress » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:26 pm

I was reading such article
http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/editor ... -good-idea

Imagine you’re going to the university gym for the first time, perhaps after making a New Year’s resolution to get yourself in shape. You don’t know much about how to use the equipment, and when you walk in, the entire football team is there lifting weights. It’s probably intimidating.

Now, consider what this might feel like for a young woman. Or how it would feel for a young woman who’s also religiously observant, and wearing conspicuously modest clothing.


If you can put yourself in this person’s runners, you’ll have a sense of why the Carleton University Students’ Association, the Muslim Students’ Association, the Graduate Students’ Association and a residence association are asking that the gym at Carleton University reserve one hour per day for women only.

There has been backlash to this suggestion, with some opponents claiming the initiative is sexist. Yet it’s a bit odd that the grievance is being raised; after all, the school’s pool already has women-only swim times. It’s the same principle.

There is an inherent value in encouraging more people to get interested in fitness. While body image isn’t just a women’s issue, it does affect more women than men: according to a 2014 parliamentary committee report, for instance, roughly 80 per cent of all eating disorders are found in girls or women.

Contrary to what opponents argue, this gym proposal is not sexism or segregation. It’s a perfectly reasonable accommodation, a minimal imposition in order to make a diverse community comfortable. True, it isn’t the role of a university fitness facility to insert itself into societal debates about religion and gender roles. But it is its role to encourage fitness and ensure that as many people as possible are participating. This measure would help.

We should be leery of enforced religious modesty, but also recognize that religious modesty isn’t necessarily coerced. Young university-educated women are likely to be making their own choices on such matters. And other young women may simply prefer not to be working out with the entire men’s basketball team hefting weights around them. (There’s a reason private women-only fitness facilities, such as Curves, exist.) Opponents of this proposal should be asking what they’re doing that is making their fellow classmates uncomfortable at the gym.

Other universities, with more than one gym, have resolved the issue fairly easily. At Carleton, there’s only one, however. But reserved times work for the pool, so they can work here as well.

And if this proposal gets more young women – of any faith or culture – to spend time on fitness, it’s worth the small compromise involved.


Emphasis mine.
Worth noting even the words under the photo
Sydney is the program coordinator at CU Students Association Womyn's Centre and they are campaigning for a women-only hour at the gym. Response has been mostly positive, but some posters were torn down and vandalized.


So, basically, we have, at Carleton University, the Womyn's Centre making a perfectly reasonable demand, having positive responses, but then being attacked and harassed by unknown misogynists: pretty coward, isn't it?

Personally I think that that the Womyn's Centre demand is not just only perfectly reasonable but it should be the standard policy within universities: a women-only hour at the gym, each day. I even think that it would be a very good idea for every gym, not just only within universities.

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Postby Arethall » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:28 pm

Nooooo because there are women gyms?
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:28 pm

I think there fine going at the same time as everyone else. Also I should say, tearing down posters doesn't make one a misogynist, just because it's about women.
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Postby Webus » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:28 pm

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Postby Chessmistress » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:30 pm

Arethall wrote:Nooooo because there are women gyms?


Not within such university, and not even within most universities.
That's why they need a women-only hour.
It isn't unreasonable, in fact it's even too little: personally I think that it should be at least two hours.
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Postby Alcase » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:30 pm

Sounds like a retarded idea
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Postby Chessmistress » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:32 pm

Alcase wrote:Sounds like a retarded idea


Care to explain why?
The Womyn's Centre has detailed the reasons.
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Postby Community Values » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:33 pm

Consider how it feels for me to see a bunch of hulking men at the gym.

I vote for a beta-only hour.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:33 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Alcase wrote:Sounds like a retarded idea


Care to explain why?


Not really a retarded idea I would say, its more underserving in my opinion.

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Postby Minzerland II » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:33 pm

No. I don't think it is a good idea.

Also, 'Womyn'?
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:34 pm

Minzerland II wrote:No. I don't think it is a good idea.

Also, 'Womyn'?

Oh God I just noticed that, that is the stupidest shit I've seen today.

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Postby BB-61 Iowa » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:34 pm

Minzerland II wrote:No. I don't think it is a good idea.

Also, 'Womyn'?


Wo(((MEN))) is clearly a sexist term.

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Postby Futrellia » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:34 pm

Planet Fitness is already a women-only gym that serves girls 24/7.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:35 pm

Well that would be two problems. One, an hour is a very awkward time slot for a gym. Two, it encourages woman to only work out for an hour, which can be hazardous if they want to achieve certain goals
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Postby Minzerland II » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:36 pm

BB-61 Iowa wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:No. I don't think it is a good idea.

Also, 'Womyn'?


Wo(((MEN))) is clearly a sexist term.

It is indicative of the patriarchy that grips our society, obviously: Only through 'Womyn' can we be truly free of it.
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Postby Hesse Darmstadt » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:36 pm

A man only hour at the gym should be the standard policy.
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Postby Chessmistress » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:36 pm

Minzerland II wrote:No. I don't think it is a good idea.

Also, 'Womyn'?


Yes, the Womyn's Centre at Carleton University
https://carleton.ca/womensstudies/resou ... ns-centre/
The Womyn’s Centre is a CUSA funded service that is available to all students on the Carleton University campus. The Centre, operating as a collective (non hierarchical, decision based on consensus) offers an extensive resource library and referral service for all students.

They use the correct word, and?
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Postby Futrellia » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:37 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well that would be two problems. One, an hour is a very awkward time slot for a gym. Two, it encourages woman to only work out for an hour, which can be hazardous if they want to achieve certain goals

It's impossible to set a time for working out really. When doing weights, i always just say when i'm done. Having a set schedule for what to lift helps, but it always differ person to person. Running on the treadmill, elliptical, other machines, now that would be understandable for an hour.

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:37 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:No. I don't think it is a good idea.

Also, 'Womyn'?


Yes, the Womyn's Centre at Carleton University
https://carleton.ca/womensstudies/resou ... ns-centre/
The Womyn’s Centre is a CUSA funded service that is available to all students on the Carleton University campus. The Centre, operating as a collective (non hierarchical, decision based on consensus) offers an extensive resource library and referral service for all students.

They use the correct word, and?


Womyn isn't the correct word.

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Postby Minzerland II » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:38 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:No. I don't think it is a good idea.

Also, 'Womyn'?


Yes, the Womyn's Centre at Carleton University
https://carleton.ca/womensstudies/resou ... ns-centre/
The Womyn’s Centre is a CUSA funded service that is available to all students on the Carleton University campus. The Centre, operating as a collective (non hierarchical, decision based on consensus) offers an extensive resource library and referral service for all students.

They use the correct word, and?

Why didn't they utilities the universal spelling of 'women'? I'm being pedantic of course, but it seems as though they're distancing themselves from something or other, if you catch my drift. ;)
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Postby The Krogan » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:38 pm

Community Values wrote:Consider how it feels for me to see a bunch of hulking men at the gym.

I vote for a beta-only hour.


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Postby New haven america » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:39 pm

Chessmistress wrote:I was reading such article
http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/editor ... -good-idea

Imagine you’re going to the university gym for the first time, perhaps after making a New Year’s resolution to get yourself in shape. You don’t know much about how to use the equipment, and when you walk in, the entire football team is there lifting weights. It’s probably intimidating.

Now, consider what this might feel like for a young woman. Or how it would feel for a young woman who’s also religiously observant, and wearing conspicuously modest clothing.


If you can put yourself in this person’s runners, you’ll have a sense of why the Carleton University Students’ Association, the Muslim Students’ Association, the Graduate Students’ Association and a residence association are asking that the gym at Carleton University reserve one hour per day for women only.

There has been backlash to this suggestion, with some opponents claiming the initiative is sexist. Yet it’s a bit odd that the grievance is being raised; after all, the school’s pool already has women-only swim times. It’s the same principle.

There is an inherent value in encouraging more people to get interested in fitness. While body image isn’t just a women’s issue, it does affect more women than men: according to a 2014 parliamentary committee report, for instance, roughly 80 per cent of all eating disorders are found in girls or women.

Contrary to what opponents argue, this gym proposal is not sexism or segregation. It’s a perfectly reasonable accommodation, a minimal imposition in order to make a diverse community comfortable. True, it isn’t the role of a university fitness facility to insert itself into societal debates about religion and gender roles. But it is its role to encourage fitness and ensure that as many people as possible are participating. This measure would help.

We should be leery of enforced religious modesty, but also recognize that religious modesty isn’t necessarily coerced. Young university-educated women are likely to be making their own choices on such matters. And other young women may simply prefer not to be working out with the entire men’s basketball team hefting weights around them. (There’s a reason private women-only fitness facilities, such as Curves, exist.) Opponents of this proposal should be asking what they’re doing that is making their fellow classmates uncomfortable at the gym.

Other universities, with more than one gym, have resolved the issue fairly easily. At Carleton, there’s only one, however. But reserved times work for the pool, so they can work here as well.

And if this proposal gets more young women – of any faith or culture – to spend time on fitness, it’s worth the small compromise involved.


Emphasis mine.
Worth noting even the words under the photo
Sydney is the program coordinator at CU Students Association Womyn's Centre and they are campaigning for a women-only hour at the gym. Response has been mostly positive, but some posters were torn down and vandalized.


So, basically, we have, at Carleton University, the Womyn's Centre making a perfectly reasonable demand, having positive responses, but then being attacked and harassed by unknown misogynists: pretty coward, isn't it?

Personally I think that that the Womyn's Centre demand is not just only perfectly reasonable but it should be the standard policy within universities: a women-only hour at the gym, each day. I even think that it would be a very good idea for every gym, not just only within universities.

What do you think NSGs?

I'm sorry "Feeling intimidated"?

Also, isn't it already an accepted fact that other women are the highest cause of body issues and eating disorders for women? Would this just create a more negative effect overall?
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