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Island of Govia
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Postby Island of Govia » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:47 pm

We must condemn the Psychotic Dictatorships region. I need endorsements to propose this to the security council.

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Bedetopia
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Bedetopia » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:42 am

Draft a resolution. I'm tired of people trying to condemn us when they don't know how the SC works.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:52 am

Bedetopia wrote:Draft a resolution. I'm tired of people trying to condemn us when they don't know how the SC works.

If he doesn't know how to correctly gather endorsements then I'm sure he'll know even less about how to write a legal condemnation.
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Postby Wacksytopia » Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:53 am

Island of Govia wrote:We must condemn the Psychotic Dictatorships region. I need endorsements to propose this to the security council.


Why do they need to be condemned?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:54 am

Island of Govia wrote:We must condemn the Psychotic Dictatorships region. I need endorsements to propose this to the security council.


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Escape from Trump
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Postby Escape from Trump » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:13 pm

The SC is meant for raider/defender gameplay. You can't condemn someone for opressing his/her citizens. Especially not without an actual draft and proposal.
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Postby Drasnia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:27 pm

Escape from Trump wrote:The SC is meant for raider/defender gameplay. You can't condemn someone for opressing his/her citizens. Especially not without an actual draft and proposal.

The SC isn't all about military GP. Sure, it constitutes the majority of the proposals, but it isn't everything. Some of my favorite proposals are about entirely non-military things, like Commend Nation of Quebec who was commended for his work on issues. Heck, some people (like Aglrinia and Milograd) have be condemned for their RP (Though there were OOC reasons for the condemns).
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Postby Maljaratas » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:38 pm

Drasnia wrote:
Escape from Trump wrote:The SC is meant for raider/defender gameplay. You can't condemn someone for opressing his/her citizens. Especially not without an actual draft and proposal.

The SC isn't all about military GP. Sure, it constitutes the majority of the proposals, but it isn't everything. Some of my favorite proposals are about entirely non-military things, like Commend Nation of Quebec who was commended for his work on issues. Heck, some people (like Aglrinia and Milograd) have be condemned for their RP (Though there were OOC reasons for the condemns).

Yohannes was commended almost entirely for RP reasons
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Drasnia
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Postby Drasnia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:50 pm

Maljaratas wrote:
Drasnia wrote:The SC isn't all about military GP. Sure, it constitutes the majority of the proposals, but it isn't everything. Some of my favorite proposals are about entirely non-military things, like Commend Nation of Quebec who was commended for his work on issues. Heck, some people (like Aglrinia and Milograd) have be condemned for their RP (Though there were OOC reasons for the condemns).

Yohannes was commended almost entirely for RP reasons

Good catch. I couldn't think of any purely RP commends/condemns off the top of my head.
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Postby Maljaratas » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:54 pm

Drasnia wrote:
Maljaratas wrote:Yohannes was commended almost entirely for RP reasons

Good catch. I couldn't think of any purely RP commends/condemns off the top of my head.

I mean, there might have been some regional politics stuff at the beginning. I only know that one because I bought stuff from one of his storefronts. :lol:
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Escape from Trump
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Postby Escape from Trump » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:32 am

Drasnia wrote:
Escape from Trump wrote:The SC is meant for raider/defender gameplay. You can't condemn someone for opressing his/her citizens. Especially not without an actual draft and proposal.

The SC isn't all about military GP. Sure, it constitutes the majority of the proposals, but it isn't everything. Some of my favorite proposals are about entirely non-military things, like Commend Nation of Quebec who was commended for his work on issues. Heck, some people (like Aglrinia and Milograd) have be condemned for their RP (Though there were OOC reasons for the condemns).

I stand corrected. But... these things have one thing in common: a positive or negative effect on other, real live users. What has PD done to others? I'm not too familiar with them, maybe there's some thing I don't know, but as far as I know, they're no threat to other nations and regions. Sure, they oppress their virtual citizens, but the condemnations are meant for those who do things against others, and commendations for the opposite. The GA is meant to stop human rights abuse, but the region's anti-WA, so that won't stop them either. I guess you'll have to live with the fact that they're oppresive dictators.
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Bedetopia » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:24 pm

Escape from Trump wrote:I stand corrected. But... these things have one thing in common: a positive or negative effect on other, real live users. What has PD done to others? I'm not too familiar with them, maybe there's some thing I don't know, but as far as I know, they're no threat to other nations and regions. Sure, they oppress their virtual citizens, but the condemnations are meant for those who do things against others, and commendations for the opposite. The GA is meant to stop human rights abuse, but the region's anti-WA, so that won't stop them either. I guess you'll have to live with the fact that they're oppresive dictators.


Ahem. Granted, the only real capture we did was TEBE, but we are willing to take over regions if they anger us.

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Postby States of Glory » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:38 pm

Drasnia wrote:
Maljaratas wrote:Yohannes was commended almost entirely for RP reasons

Good catch. I couldn't think of any purely RP commends/condemns off the top of my head.

Kenny's condemnation comes to mind.
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Postby The Marsupial Illuminati » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:49 pm

Escape from Trump wrote:The SC is meant for raider/defender gameplay. You can't condemn someone for opressing his/her citizens. Especially not without an actual draft and proposal.

I know that you were already corrected on this, but I just want to emphasize that the Security Council is for everyone. It is not just the domain of raiders and defenders, which is a common misconception that I am tired of hearing. I wrote a comprehensive guide on the reasons for commendations and condemnations, and I can confidently say that role-players, GA authors, region leaders, Nazis, forum destroyers, puppet masters, flag stealers, and coders have all been condemned. The SC does not just concern raiding and defending.
Escape from Trump wrote:I stand corrected. But... these things have one thing in common: a positive or negative effect on other, real live users.

Condemnations do not have to be given for negative reasons. Yes, condemnations usually are a negative thing and often signal disapproval. But sometimes, condemnations are given to nations as positive recognition for being excellent at what they do, whether that is raiding (Mallorea and Riva), being funny (Flag Thief), or role-playing as an evil nation (Omigodtheykilledkenny, Great Nepal, Der Fuhrer Dyszel, Blackhelm Confederacy, The Kraven Corporation, Automagfreek). These awards are given as condemnations, rather than commendations, because condemnations better fit those players' actions and characters, and just make more sense IC.
Escape from Trump wrote:Sure, they oppress their virtual citizens, but the condemnations are meant for those who do things against others, and commendations for the opposite.

See above.

Now for the actual proposal.
Escape from Trump wrote:What has PD done... ?

(The ellipsis is mine.) Nothing much.

The most obvious thing to condemn them for would be their RP as evil nations. Their casual RMB role-play or any sproadic RP posts on the forum do not count. As far as I know, the only prolific role-player in Psychotic Dictatorships is Bedetopia. Because I am not a role-player, I cannot comment on the quality of Bedetopia's RP, and cannot say whether or not it is worthy of being awarded with a condemnation. However, one excellent role-player in a region is not enough to warrant a condemnation for the whole region.

The next reason to condemn them would be their excellent stats. Menta Lee-IL is an excellent issues player, currently first in the world for both Corruption and Defense Forces. He was also formerly 1st for Conservatism. Also, Bedetopia is 6th in the world for Defense Forces. However, as with the RP, these few nations in the region who are good issues players do not warrant a condemnation for the whole region. The only region that has been commended for excellent stats was Wysteria, but that region had much more than two nations that had excellent stats. Also, they did others things in addition to issues.

Next is their destruction of other regions. As far as I know, PD only targets and refounds copycat regions, which doesn't happen that often. The regions that were condemned in the past for raiding/region destruction (The Black Riders, The Black Hawks, Lone Wolves United) raided and refounded regions numbering in the hundreds, which is much more than what PD has done.

Lastly would be PD's oppressive IC government. Under this government, nations are not allowed to use certain phrases and must use certain language. Inactive nations are ejected. Not much to warrant a condemnation, honestly.

Considering the fact that Psychotic Dictatorships does not meet the threshold set by previous SC resolutions, a condemnation for them would not be appropriate right now.
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Postby Escape from Trump » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:15 pm

Bedetopia wrote:
Escape from Trump wrote:I stand corrected. But... these things have one thing in common: a positive or negative effect on other, real live users. What has PD done to others? I'm not too familiar with them, maybe there's some thing I don't know, but as far as I know, they're no threat to other nations and regions. Sure, they oppress their virtual citizens, but the condemnations are meant for those who do things against others, and commendations for the opposite. The GA is meant to stop human rights abuse, but the region's anti-WA, so that won't stop them either. I guess you'll have to live with the fact that they're oppresive dictators.


Ahem. Granted, the only real capture we did was TEBE, but we are willing to take over regions if they anger us.

Taking over regions for doing something to you isn't really condemnable...
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