General Centrist Discussion Thread: The Age of Independants

[The United States of the South Pole]

Independents, centrists, moderates, politically engaged apoliticals, Whatever you like to call em.
This here's a place for sharing views on and discussing conflicting, middle of the road, or fairly even between the left and right social and economic persons, parties, policies, their implementation, news,history, and other political objects, nouns, or ideas.
Discuss political policies and get a decent mix of opinions on how a centrist may look upon it: possibly trying to do as much done with as little as possible, deciding who should decide instead, or having a more unique approach are all welcome here.
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[Pandeeria]

Political centrism is terrible.

[Uxupox]

Political centrism is terrible.

How?

[Pandeeria]

Political centrism is terrible.

How?

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

[Keventle]

How?

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

I always find a lot of Argument to moderation fallacy thinking for some individuals.

[Lady Scylla]

How?

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

Radicality is like a balloon, it expands rapidly, and then pops.

[Pandeeria]

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

Radicality is like a balloon, it expands rapidly, and then pops.

I too enjoy posting empty phrases that are worth nothing.

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

I always find a lot of Argument to moderation fallacy thinking for some individuals.

Yeah, but it's inevitable. Centrism is founded on compromise between the actual left and right.

[Costa Fierro]

How?

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

Political radicalization leads to dogma. Dogma leads to stagnation. Stagnation hampers progress. See: Venezuela.

[Lady Scylla]

Radicality is like a balloon, it expands rapidly, and then pops.

I too enjoy posting empty phrases that are worth nothing.

Yes, we could see that when you first posted.

[Pandeeria]

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

Political radicalization leads to dogma. Dogma leads to stagnation. Stagnation hampers progress. See: Venezuela.

The pure compromising politics of Centrism leads to stagnation. Centrism wishes to bandaid the issues that face us, not solve them at their root.

I too enjoy posting empty phrases that are worth nothing.

Yes, we could see that when you first posted.

My first post had a point, not mindless trash. We can't say the same for your first post.

[Fake Korea]

How?

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

What exactly makes you think that political thinking needs to be radical?

[Genivaria]

The centers worth depends entirely on where the center is.
So if the left are all communists and the right are all fascists then sure the Center looks great, but it's not always that simple.

[Pandeeria]

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

What exactly makes you think that political thinking needs to be radical?

I don't believe that the truth lies in ideological compromise, and I believe the issues that face us cannot be properly solved with centrist thinking.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

How?

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

Except that Horseshoe theory is a thing.

[The United States of the South Pole]

I guess I'm not as much of a centrist as I thought. Pandeeria is right in somes ways, action must be take within your country in order to aspire beneficial change. Empty worded phrases can't be used to call anyone trying to move a country into their, or their party's direction can't be labeled as a radical nor can every process be done gradually. A mixture of right and left policies and an open ear can be beneficial, but constant inaction even within your own nation in fear of being labelled a radical is moronic.

[Fake Korea]

The centers worth depends entirely on where the center is.
So if the left are all communists and the right are all fascists then sure the Center looks great, but it's not always that simple.

Why are the right and the left any different?

[Lady Scylla]

Political radicalization leads to dogma. Dogma leads to stagnation. Stagnation hampers progress. See: Venezuela.

The pure compromising politics of Centrism leads to stagnation. Centrism wishes to bandaid the issues that face us, not solve them at their root.

Yes, we could see that when you first posted.

My first post had a point, not mindless trash. We can't say the same for your first post.

You're going to have to show me where that point was, because I don't see one. You submitted an off-hand, half-assed and intellectually lazy piece of bullshit that I wouldn't even give the courtesy of wiping, and then followed with some more. Honestly, if your keyboard is having frequent diarrhoea, you might want to get that checked out. Then again, I can't really blame the bullshit for being there, it's not its fault, after-all, the person posting it on the other hand, well, that's concerning.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Yes, we could see that when you first posted.

My first post had a point, not mindless trash. We can't say the same for your first post.

Now it's a real politics thread!

[Genivaria]

The centers worth depends entirely on where the center is.
So if the left are all communists and the right are all fascists then sure the Center looks great, but it's not always that simple.

Why are the right and the left any different?

Because they hold different ideologies as their foundation.
And even those on the same 'end' of the spectrum may have drastically different views than their fellow leftists or rightists.

[Pandeeria]

The pure compromising politics of Centrism leads to stagnation. Centrism wishes to bandaid the issues that face us, not solve them at their root.



My first post had a point, not mindless trash. We can't say the same for your first post.

You're going to have to show me where that point was, because I don't see one. You submitted an off-hand, half-assed and intellectually lazy piece of bullshit that I wouldn't even give the courtesy of wiping, and then followed with some more. Honestly, if your keyboard is having frequent diarrhoea, you might want to get that checked out. Then again, I can't really blame the bullshit for being there, it's not its fault, after-all, the person posting it on the other hand, well, that's concerning.

Did I manage to strike a nerve there? My point was clear and concise, that centrism is bad. If you want my reasons why, I can tell you though I already posted a lot of why I dislike it just above.

If you want to debate centrism, then be my guest. If you want to keep this tangent going, then I'll simply let you have the last word if you want.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I've decided on corporatism as an internal economic policy position, and I'm socially liberal.
I don't know where to stand on trade. Globalization has undoubtedly benefited us and I'd like to see that carried to the end embodied in this nation, but not without impoverishing people globally. After all, Bill Gates and a homeless guy as a group have lots of money, all of which is likely Gates'.

How?

It's the pinnacle of enforcing a bland, status quo which will never get us anywhere. Political thinking needs to radicalize, not flounder to pettiness.

Political thought needs to get us to a vision of the world and pursue the methods that will achieve that goal without hindering its' further progress. It needs to be fresh and adaptive. I would be open to radicalism if it proved to meet those criteria but its' implementation has convinced me that it can't be utilized without running into avoidable and catastrophic reversals of fortune.
Self-aggrandizing opportunists of any streak will only advance a cause as far as it takes to get them whatever rewards they hunger after, and usually no further. It's not limited to centrism. However, centrism is generally the least inherently objectionable for any reason other than the character of its' practitioners.

[Costa Fierro]

Centrism is founded on compromise between the actual left and right.

Which is good, because both sides of the spectrum have good ideas and combining them proves to be superior than anything firmly left or right.

[Pandeeria]

Why are the right and the left any different?

Because they hold different ideologies as their foundation.
And even those on the same 'end' of the spectrum may have drastically different views than their fellow leftists or rightists.

What would you define as centrist, if including political ideals like Communism, Fascism, and Anarchy?

[Thermodolia]

Centrism is founded on compromise between the actual left and right.

Which is good, because both sides of the spectrum have good ideas and combining them proves to be superior than anything firmly left or right.

Which is why many centrist parties will have a variant of the "Not left nor right but forward" tag line for their motto/slogan.

[Costa Fierro]

The pure compromising politics of Centrism leads to stagnation. Centrism wishes to bandaid the issues that face us, not solve them at their root.

It doesn't. Centrist ideas look to solve issues that face is with rational, real world solutions not grandiose ideas of revolution or reforming society. If ideologies like communism or socialism or libertarianism were actually good in terms of governance, we would still have communist, socialist and libertarian states.