One Korea Policy?

[Daburuetchi]

So I was watching C-Span2 and someone proposed that in order delegitimize North Korea internationally a One Korea policy be adopted and South Korea be declared the sole representative of the Korean Peninsula. This of course is similar to the One China policy wherein the People's Republic of China claims sovereignty over the Republic of China (Taiwan) and vice versa.In order to have relations with the PRC you must recognize PRC sovereignty over the RoC.



When asked what he thought of this proposal Former US Ambassador Robert L. Gallucci said he would not take it off the table. He did say however, that the DPRK is already an international pariah and he doubted it would really effect China's propping up of the DPRK anyhow.

I personally think this is a bad idea since I doubt South Korea would be able to take care of 23 million North Koreans should it miraculously gain control of the North. I also doubt Russia or China would greatly change their support of the DPRK even if such a policy were accepted by them. But what do NSers think of such a proposal?

[New Axiom]

No. Knowing Kimmies two year old temper tantrum attitude, this would probably make him go bat shit crazy and he'd probably level Seoul with artillery.

[The Two Jerseys]

In order to have relations with the PRC you must recognize PRC sovereignty over the RoC.

Not true. The US has diplomatic relations with Beijing, but refuses to recognize their sovereignty over Taiwan.

The One-China Policy only says that you can't have official relations with both the PRC and ROC, you have to choose one to recognize as the "legitimate" China.

[Dooom35796821595]

In order to have relations with the PRC you must recognize PRC sovereignty over the RoC.

Not true. The US has diplomatic relations with Beijing, but refuses to recognize their sovereignty over Taiwan.

The One-China Policy only says that you can't have official relations with both the PRC and ROC, you have to choose one to recognize as the "legitimate" China.

UK is only China!

[Never had a pot noodle]

One China policy is a joke to anyone who put their hands on a geopolitics novel.

Only states can claim sovereignty over areas, that is the crux of the matter because only states are recognized as states. Communist societies are not states by definition, states are abolished in communist societies. By being communist the PRC cannot claim to be the state with sovereignty over China because they are not a state. RoC is the only state which can claim China as their own.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

One China policy is a joke to anyone who put their hands on a geopolitics novel.

Only states can claim sovereignty over areas, that is the crux of the matter because only states are recognized as states. Communist societies are not states by definition, states are abolished in communist societies. By being communist the PRC cannot claim to be the state with sovereignty over China because they are not a state. RoC is the only state which can claim China as their own.

I don't think you understand Chinese politics.

[Daburuetchi]

One China policy is a joke to anyone who put their hands on a geopolitics novel.

Only states can claim sovereignty over areas, that is the crux of the matter because only states are recognized as states. Communist societies are not states by definition, states are abolished in communist societies. By being communist the PRC cannot claim to be the state with sovereignty over China because they are not a state. RoC is the only state which can claim China as their own.

[The Grene Knyght]

One China policy is a joke to anyone who put their hands on a geopolitics novel.

Only states can claim sovereignty over areas, that is the crux of the matter because only states are recognized as states. Communist societies are not states by definition, states are abolished in communist societies. By being communist the PRC cannot claim to be the state with sovereignty over China because they are not a state. RoC is the only state which can claim China as their own.

I don't think you understand Chinese politics.

Or marxist theory, for that matter

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I don't think you understand Chinese politics.

Or marxist theory, for that matter

DESU, nobody understands Marxist Theory.

[Pandeeria]

I think we need to actively work on helping the decline of North Korea. While obviously their nuclear capabilities are not serious as of now, it's undeniable that they are indeed making some real progress. We must diffuse this situation before it becomes something really serious (IE weapons of mass destruction are involved). If a One Korea Policy would help this, so be it.

I think we also need to engage China in talks of the Korean question. No way in fucking hell are we getting any concessions from Russia, but China maybe.

One China policy is a joke to anyone who put their hands on a geopolitics novel.

Only states can claim sovereignty over areas, that is the crux of the matter because only states are recognized as states. Communist societies are not states by definition, states are abolished in communist societies. By being communist the PRC cannot claim to be the state with sovereignty over China because they are not a state. RoC is the only state which can claim China as their own.

Hey, at least you tried.

[The Grene Knyght]

Or marxist theory, for that matter

DESU, nobody understands Marxist Theory.

tru

[Daburuetchi]

I think we need to actively work on helping the decline of North Korea. While obviously their nuclear capabilities are not serious as of now, it's undeniable that they are indeed making some real progress. We must diffuse this situation before it becomes something really serious (IE weapons of mass destruction are involved). If a One Korea Policy would help this, so be it.

I think we also need to engage China in talks of the Korean question. No way in fucking hell are we getting any concessions from Russia, but China maybe.

China has been supporting the DPRK's nuclear program by turning a blind eye to its firms trading materials the DPRK needs for nukes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/world ... xiang.html

There's not way China didn't know about Hongxiang congolemerates actions. I'm pretty skeptical the Chinese would do anything, especially seeing how pissed off they are over the USA's deployment of THAADS.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Ignoring communist China worked so well in the past. That might actually make them support North Korea more because it happened to them not that long ago.

[Pandeeria]

I think we need to actively work on helping the decline of North Korea. While obviously their nuclear capabilities are not serious as of now, it's undeniable that they are indeed making some real progress. We must diffuse this situation before it becomes something really serious (IE weapons of mass destruction are involved). If a One Korea Policy would help this, so be it.

I think we also need to engage China in talks of the Korean question. No way in fucking hell are we getting any concessions from Russia, but China maybe.

China has been supporting the DPRK's nuclear program by turning a blind eye to its firms trading materials the DPRK needs for nukes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/world ... xiang.html

There's not way China didn't know about Hongxiang congolemerates actions. I'm pretty skeptical the Chinese would do anything, especially seeing how pissed off they are over the USA's deployment of THAADS.

China is a very valuable trading partner and we're both quite dependent on each other. I'd say if we withdraw THAADS and give some other minor concessions in return for China dropping support of North Korea (they've already been distancing themselves from NK, all it might take is some pressure for China to complete break it off), that would be a fair trade off.

[Daburuetchi]

China is a very valuable trading partner and we're both quite dependent on each other. I'd say if we withdraw THAADS and give some other minor concessions in return for China dropping support of North Korea (they've already been distancing themselves from NK, all it might take is some pressure for China to complete break it off), that would be a fair trade off.

True but I don't think we can trust the Chinese. Authoritarian regimes tend not to like it when you install any sort of monitoring system to insure they comply with the agreement.

[Daburuetchi]

Ignoring communist China worked so well in the past. That might actually make them support North Korea more because it happened to them not that long ago.

I mean North Korea is nothing compared to mainland China.

China is also pretty clearly irritated by the DPRK's threat of prememtive nuclear strike so I doubt they'd want to embolden Kim.

[Pandeeria]

China is a very valuable trading partner and we're both quite dependent on each other. I'd say if we withdraw THAADS and give some other minor concessions in return for China dropping support of North Korea (they've already been distancing themselves from NK, all it might take is some pressure for China to complete break it off), that would be a fair trade off.

True but I don't think we can trust the Chinese. Authoritarian regimes tend not to like it when you install any sort of monitoring system to insure they comply with the agreement.

I'm sure China values the US over North Korea. Even if it makes relations worse between the US and China, I think it's top priority to put an end to North Korea.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Ignoring communist China worked so well in the past. That might actually make them support North Korea more because it happened to them not that long ago.

I mean North Korea is nothing compared to mainland China.

China is also pretty clearly irritated by the DPRK's threat of prememtive nuclear strike so I doubt they'd want to embolden Kim.

They already embolden Kim.

[Pandeeria]

I mean North Korea is nothing compared to mainland China.

China is also pretty clearly irritated by the DPRK's threat of prememtive nuclear strike so I doubt they'd want to embolden Kim.

They already embolden Kim.

No, not really. They're distancing themselves from Kim.

[Daburuetchi]

I mean North Korea is nothing compared to mainland China.

China is also pretty clearly irritated by the DPRK's threat of prememtive nuclear strike so I doubt they'd want to embolden Kim.

They already embolden Kim.

China did of course codemn North Korea's nuclear test they're not exactly thrilled with the DPRK.

[The first Galactic Republic]

They already embolden Kim.

No, not really. They're distancing themselves from Kim.

When countries are neutral towards each other, drifting apart makes them enemies.

When countries are allied with each other, drifting apart makes them less friendly but still close.

Most countries by comparison don't give North Korea the legitimacy.

[Pandeeria]

They already embolden Kim.

China did of course codemn North Korea's nuclear test they're not exactly thrilled with the DPRK.

The only reason they're still sticking around with North Korea is that it's a nice little buffer state, and it isn't exactly diplomatically amazing to invest all this energy into propping up North Korea only to abandon it now.

However, the costs of keeping North Korea above the water are increasing.

[Daburuetchi]

China did of course codemn North Korea's nuclear test they're not exactly thrilled with the DPRK.

The only reason they're still sticking around with North Korea is that it's a nice little buffer state, and it isn't exactly diplomatically amazing to invest all this energy into propping up North Korea only to abandon it now.

However, the costs of keeping North Korea above the water are increasing.

Good point

[Pandeeria]

No, not really. They're distancing themselves from Kim.

When countries are neutral towards each other, drifting apart makes them enemies.

When countries are allied with each other, drifting apart makes them less friendly but still close.

Most countries by comparison don't give North Korea the legitimacy.

China is purely interested in the geo-political benefits of the North Korean state. North Korea has no decent trade nor military power to lend to China, and is really only offering headaches to Chinese diplomats.

And considering how China feels about North Korea, and how China is North Korea's closest ally, it really does show that North Korea is alone on the international level.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

China did of course codemn North Korea's nuclear test they're not exactly thrilled with the DPRK.

The only reason they're still sticking around with North Korea is that it's a nice little buffer state, and it isn't exactly diplomatically amazing to invest all this energy into propping up North Korea only to abandon it now.

However, the costs of keeping North Korea above the water are increasing.

Well, you also have to consider the millions of refugees that would stream across the border if North Korea did collapse... which is maybe why China doesn't want to go in guns blazing.