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Union action causes schools to close indefinitely

Postby Socialist Mercanda » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:30 pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/educatio ... -1.2846150

The president of the Association of Secondary Teachers Ireland (ASTI), Ed Byrne, has acknowledged that it is “unlikely” the union will secure an agreement in time to avert the indefinite closure of hundreds of schools following the midterm break.

Talks aimed at averting large-scale disruption are due to get under way early next week between the ASTI and the Department of Education.

The ASTI is planning to withdraw supervision and substitution cover from Monday, November 7th, which would force many schools to close on health and safety grounds.

However, there has been little sign of any progress on the union’s key grievances, which include pay rates for new entrants, additional working hours and junior cycle reform.

Department of Education negotiators are understood to be keen to ensure that any agreement with the ASTI will be a comprehensive one which embraces all these issues.

Mr Byrne told The Irish Times: “It’s quite concerning that schools could close by Monday week . . . We would love to have a complete solution to all our problems by then. It’s unlikely that will happen.”.




Several schools, including my own, have began announcing they will be unable to open after the midterm break for Health and Safety reasons as ASTI union members have withdrawn from supervision and subsitution duties (Basically no teacher will watch over students during lunchtime breaks, and if a teacher is unable to go to his/her class or classes, no teacher will cover for her. This is happening because over several years the government does not pay the teachers for their overtime, and now industrial action is being taken), which inevitably puts the health and safety of students at risk, and it would violate the law if schools were to remain open despite this, and thus they will close unless an agreement is met over pay.

ASTI currently plans for 6 additional days of strike, around one a week, after schools are supposed to reopen after the midterms. It has become apparent that, unless an agreement where ASTI suspends action, schools will not reopen after the midterms as they can not guarantee safety of students.

As an student in an Irish secondary school, I honestly think that the ASTI made a huge mistake by taking action now. I support the action and mission of this industrial action, however I doubt the government will meet their demands now. Instead, it would have been much better to take action early next year, like in April/March/May, which would have put the government under enormous pressure as the upcoming Junior Cert and Leaving Cert exams would most certainly be affected (Additional days of school would be added throughout the holidays now to makeup for the lost days), as well as the government already beginning to weaken, which would again make a better case for delayed action in the months leading up to June 2017.

Nonetheless, I doubt any agreement will be made before schools are due to open in just over a weeks time. However while I believe the unions demands will not be met, I do believe the ASTI will inevitably suspend action sometime after the midterms, but I do believe schools will close indefinitely.

So, yeah. My own school has advised students for the moment to not return to school from November 7th on until ASTI members suspend action, so this is escalating quickly. Yesterday most schools were closed on the first of seven ASTI strike days. Teachers will be withdrawing from substitution and supervision duties indefinitely btw, not just for one day.

So, NSG, what do you think? Should the union back down and sign onto an agreement or continue their fight, in turn dashing youth educations, for equal pay for young teachers as well as for hours spent supervising students?






http://www.irishtimes.com/news/educatio ... -1.2857094

Over 400 out of 735 secondary schools are unable to open for the forseeable future due to union action.
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Postby Pirelin » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:32 pm

This is why I hate unions.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:35 pm

Pirelin wrote:This is why I hate unions.

Because they stand up for their workers?
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:36 pm

Pirelin wrote:This is why I hate unions.


Wow, they must really care about the kids.

My state is non-union and my mothre doesn't make anything near the golden pensions and healthcare plans (that the teachers don't have to pay into) that union states make. Public sector unions hold the taxpayer to ransom and should not be allowed to exist, especially because they sit at both sides of the table.

I miss the days when we gunned down union thugs like these.
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Postby Pirelin » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:36 pm

Galloism wrote:
Pirelin wrote:This is why I hate unions.

Because they stand up for their workers?

No, because they impede the education of children.
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Postby Frank Zipper » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:37 pm

Schools won't be closed indefinitely. That is in the interests of neither party involved in the negotiations.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:37 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Pirelin wrote:This is why I hate unions.


Wow, they must really care about the kids.

My state is non-union and my mothre doesn't make anything near the golden pensions and healthcare plans (that the teachers don't have to pay into) that union states make. Public sector unions hold the taxpayer to ransom and should not be allowed to exist, especially because they sit at both sides of the table.

I miss the days when we gunned down union thugs like these.

Yeah. Those good old days where people were murdered for being in a union.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:38 pm

Galloism wrote:
Pirelin wrote:This is why I hate unions.

Because they stand up for their workers?


Public sector unions should not exist because when they go on strike, everyone suffers and vital services end. They negotiate on both sides of the table and drive their districts into bankruptcy.

No, because they are greedy and plunder the taxpayers for golden pensions and healthcare that would be totally unsustainable outside of the taxpayer gravy train. My state is non-union, and our teachers make nowhere close to the gravy train the union thugs have.

Send in the Pinkertons.
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Postby Shizune » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:39 pm

That's unfortunate.

I'm not generally a fan of unions anymore, but I try to remain neutral on them.

Let's just hope this nonsense is over with quickly so people aren't too harmed by the closures.

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:40 pm

Galloism wrote:Yeah. Those good old days where people were murdered for being in a union.


I don't call being removed from someone else's land because you won't haul your rear off after being asked to leave it an act of "murder". The removal of tresspassers by force is part of the right to private property and they deserved every bullet they got.

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Galloism wrote:Because they stand up for their workers?

No, because they impede the education of children.


Precisely. Send in the Pinkertons.
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Postby Al Ashabiyah » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:42 pm

This is good. Power to the workers against oppression is never bad.
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Postby Pirelin » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:42 pm

Al Ashabiyah wrote:This is good. Power to the workers against oppression is never bad.

Even if it impedes the learning of children?
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Postby Galloism » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:43 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Galloism wrote:Because they stand up for their workers?


Public sector unions should not exist because when they go on strike, everyone suffers and vital services end. They negotiate on both sides of the table and drive their districts into bankruptcy.

No, because they are greedy and plunder the taxpayers for golden pensions and healthcare that would be totally unsustainable outside of the taxpayer gravy train. My state is non-union, and our teachers make nowhere close to the gravy train the union thugs have.

Send in the Pinkertons.

See, I see public sector unions as a necessary evil, having worked in the public sector and seen some of the immense abuses without a strong Union presence.

Making employees work overtime at minimum wage instead of their standard pay rate or risk firing. Making them take work home and return it complete without pay. In addition to firing, they would threaten to inform the city, county, and state governments that they were fired for insubordination - even when the district was in violation of labor laws.

Once they'd had enough, 90% of the workers unionized basically overnight, and under threat of strike, the abuse ended.
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Postby Al Ashabiyah » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:44 pm

Pirelin wrote:
Al Ashabiyah wrote:This is good. Power to the workers against oppression is never bad.

Even if it impedes the learning of children?

I'm a child. I'd rather people get paid their fair share than are used as slaves. If teachers get mistreated, they will not want to work. Therefore, our schooling will collapse. This will cause better education in the long run.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:45 pm

Pirelin wrote:
Galloism wrote:Because they stand up for their workers?

No, because they impede the education of children.

These strikes are happening well away from important exams. Short of holding industrial action over summer this is when the least harm will be done to students' education.


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Galloism wrote:Because they stand up for their workers?


Public sector unions should not exist because when they go on strike, everyone suffers and vital services end. They negotiate on both sides of the table and drive their districts into bankruptcy.

No, because they are greedy and plunder the taxpayers for golden pensions and healthcare that would be totally unsustainable outside of the taxpayer gravy train. My state is non-union, and our teachers make nowhere close to the gravy train the union thugs have.

Public sector workers in Ireland have taken substantial pay cuts since 2008. There was this big financial crisis, maybe you heard of it? This dispute is about pay restoration and equality.

But if you're not interested in facts and you prefer to masturbate to thoughts of murdering innocent people for daring to engage in industrial action, then I think we'd all prefer if you did so privately.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:45 pm

Al Ashabiyah wrote:This is good. Power to the workers against oppression is never bad.


Not getting a raise is not oppression. If these union thugs are anywhere as corrupt as the public sector union thugs in my country, these teachers already have golden pensions and healthcare that they don't have to pay into while the private sector gets a middle finger. If they are like my country, the administrative districts' taxpayers that are left holding the bag are going bankrupt and the pensions are likely unfunded.

In a schoolhouse, the kids come first. Full stop, period, the end. These selfish people are impeding the learning and enrichment of our youth and should be dealt with by force.
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Postby Pirelin » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:46 pm

Al Ashabiyah wrote:
Pirelin wrote:Even if it impedes the learning of children?

I'm a child. I'd rather people get paid their fair share than are used as slaves. If teachers get mistreated, they will not want to work. Therefore, our schooling will collapse. This will cause better education in the long run.

You're a child?

Do you not think that unionization is incredibly overused, and often used as an excuse for ridiculously high wages?
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:47 pm

Ifreann wrote:Public sector workers in Ireland have taken substantial pay cuts since 2008. There was this big financial crisis, maybe you heard of it? This dispute is about pay restoration and equality.

But if you're not interested in facts and you prefer to masturbate to thoughts of murdering innocent people for daring to engage in industrial action, then I think we'd all prefer if you did so privately.


Aww, those poor employees, having to take a pay cut like everyone else during a financial crisis. How dare economic realities set in!

Industrial action on private land without the owner's consent is tresspassing and the removal of a tresspasser by force is not murder. If this strike is taking place on public land, we can't do anything about it, even though the state should be sending in the Pinkertons.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:47 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Al Ashabiyah wrote:This is good. Power to the workers against oppression is never bad.


Not getting a raise is not oppression. If these union thugs are anywhere as corrupt as the public sector union thugs in my country...

This isn't your country.
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Postby Pirelin » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:49 pm

Ifreann wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Not getting a raise is not oppression. If these union thugs are anywhere as corrupt as the public sector union thugs in my country...

This isn't your country.

And?
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Postby Galloism » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:50 pm

Ifreann wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Not getting a raise is not oppression. If these union thugs are anywhere as corrupt as the public sector union thugs in my country...

This isn't your country.

Well, according to the OP, apparently they were requiring the teachers work OT without paying them. Even by US standards, which are abysmally low, that's unacceptable.
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Postby Al Ashabiyah » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:50 pm

Pirelin wrote:
Al Ashabiyah wrote:I'm a child. I'd rather people get paid their fair share than are used as slaves. If teachers get mistreated, they will not want to work. Therefore, our schooling will collapse. This will cause better education in the long run.

You're a child?

Do you not think that unionization is incredibly overused, and often used as an excuse for ridiculously high wages?

No. I believe that it stands for us. You would rather slavery.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:51 pm

Al Ashabiyah wrote:I'm a child. I'd rather people get paid their fair share than are used as slaves. If teachers get mistreated, they will not want to work. Therefore, our schooling will collapse. This will cause better education in the long run.


No employee is entitled to anything except what they signed onto in the contract. If the unions in Ireland are as corrupt as the unions in the USA, these teachers probably make far more than my mother (a twenty-something year veteran teacher with a Specialists' Degree, one below a doctorate) has made within entry level and are protected from termination of employment if they suck.

It's simple:
  • Union goes on strike against government (AKA the taxpayer)
  • Government (AKA taker of the taxpayer's money) sits down with union and concedes to demands
  • Gravy train levels up
  • Unions spend dues to lobby for and elect pro-union politicians
  • Cycle renews
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:51 pm

Galloism wrote:Well, according to the OP, apparently they were requiring the teachers work OT without paying them. Even by US standards, which are abysmally low, that's unacceptable.


That's called a furlough and it happens all the time in my country.

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:It's simple:
  • Union goes on strike against government (AKA the taxpayer)
  • Government (AKA taker of the taxpayer's money) sits down with union and concedes to demands
  • Gravy train levels up
  • Unions spend dues to lobby for and elect pro-union politicians
  • Cycle renews
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Postby Kubra » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:52 pm

wanna know what kids love more than any other school holiday?
Teachers strikes.
Ain't no kids gonna say they're against this, unless they're str8 up nerds.
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