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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:56 am

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Duterte says children killed in Philippines drug war are 'collateral damage'

Rodrigo Duterte vows to kill 3 million drug addicts and likens himself to Hitler

‘With the policeman and the M16, it’s one burst, brrrr, and [he] hits 1,000 people there,’ explains Philippines president

Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte has vowed no let-up in his war on crime.
Oliver Holmes South-east Asia correspondent

Rodrigo Duterte, the president of the Philippines, has referred to innocent people and children as “collateral damage” in his war on drugs because police use automatic weapons when confronting criminals.

Asked in an interview with al-Jazeera about minors caught up in the violence, Duterte said those cases would be investigated but added that police can kill hundreds of civilians without criminal liability.



He gave a hypothetical example of an officer using an M16 rifle when dealing with a “gangster” who wields a pistol. “When they meet, they exchange fire. With the policeman and the M16, it’s one burst, brrr, and [he] hits 1,000 people there and they die.

“It could not be negligence because you have to save your life. It could not be recklessness because you have to defend yourself,” he said.

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Duterte then compared the killing of innocents in the Philippines to US attacks in wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan, where civilians are killed during airstrikes on militants.

“When you bomb a village you intend to kill the militants but you kill the children there ... Why do you say it is collateral damage to the west and to us it is murder?”

Philippine law enforcement and vigilante groups have killed more than 3,800 people since Duterte took office on 30 June, part of a war on drugs he says will save the country.

About 1,500 of those died in police operations but most killings were carried out by armed groups which Duterte has, at times, publicly encouraged. His critics say the president has allowed an atmosphere of lawlessness to develop in which criminal groups can settle vendettas with impunity.

Regardless, the president has lashed out at at any criticism from domestic rights organisations and foreign governments for his brutal crackdown.

“We have 3 million drug addicts and it’s growing. So if we do not interdict this problem, the next generation will be having a serious problem,” he said.

“You destroy my country, I’ll kill you. And it’s a legitimate thing. If you destroy our young children, I will kill you. That is a very correct statement. There is nothing wrong in trying to preserve the interest of the next generation.

“In my country there is no law that says I cannot threaten criminals,” he added. “I do not care what the human rights guys say. I have a duty to preserve the generation. If it involves human rights, I don’t give a shit. I have to strike fear.”


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Wanted to do one giant thread on the issue in the philippines, but decided to do it bit by bit instead. So far over 3,500 have died, and we have a man vowing to repeat Hitler, and kill millions. Then again that part of asia has a strange obsession with Hitler especially leaders comparing or vowing to be like Hitler. Still this is abhorrent, but not unexpected since this was one of their bigger promises, and from the look of it this is all coming to pass. So what say you oh unleavened, and leavened masses of NSG?
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Postby Valaran » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:59 am

My dislike of Duterte develops further.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:00 pm

How anybody on the left side of the spectrum, or any side of the spectrum other than the most violent and hateful authoritarianism, can support this despicable, pathetic man is beyond me. These are blatant and horrifying human rights violations we are talking about, and he's trying to normalize them.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:01 pm

Valaran wrote:My dislike of Duterte develops further.

I mean on the campaign they practically told everyone this would happen, and in their home city they ran a death squad there so honestly not sure how anyone like them from the beginning.

Maybe it is because I haven't lived in the Philippines all my life.
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"If you destroy our young children, I will kill you."

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Aren't the Philippines a major US ally?
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He is absolutely correct.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:03 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:"If you destroy our young children, I will kill you."

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I guess that makes this go full circle. Killing the kids to protect them from drugs. Then again they aren't the only nation to do this.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:03 pm

“In my country there is no law that says I cannot threaten criminals"

Someone please tell me that there is.
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Liriena wrote:How anybody on the left side of the spectrum, or any side of the spectrum other than the most violent and hateful authoritarianism, can support this despicable, pathetic man is beyond me. These are blatant and horrifying human rights violations we are talking about, and he's trying to normalize them.


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Yorkers wrote:Aren't the Philippines a major US ally?

Not the direction that Duterte is taking them in. They said a few days for them all to get the hell out of here.
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Postby Kalosia » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:04 pm

Benuty wrote:Duterte then compared the killing of innocents in the Philippines to US attacks in wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan, where civilians are killed during airstrikes on militants.

“When you bomb a village you intend to kill the militants but you kill the children there ... Why do you say it is collateral damage to the west and to us it is murder?”


From how I see this, he wants his country to be up there with the US but really some people just want the US (and allies) to be down here with the rest of the world. Probably he thinks "if they can be unjust then I can too" when others think "we're in the process of serving justice to the unjust let's not create any more problems okay".

I hope this makes sense??

I mean, I'm from a neighbouring country where illegal drugs are also a major (perhaps overstated) problem and the government is trying to crack down on it, but (at least since the end of the dictatorship) it hasn't gone as bad as mass killings on this scale.
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Postby Diogott » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:05 pm

Why does this man insist that everything he does is right because "the West" has done it already at some point in history?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm quite convinced "the West," whatever his definition of the term is, has done a lot of things.
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Liriena wrote:How anybody on the left side of the spectrum, or any side of the spectrum other than the most violent and hateful authoritarianism, can support this despicable, pathetic man is beyond me. These are blatant and horrifying human rights violations we are talking about, and he's trying to normalize them.


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Postby Frank Zipper » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:06 pm

I wouldn't be very surprised if Duterte turned out to be involved in the drugs trade himself, and is simply eliminating rivals.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:06 pm

Diogott wrote:Why does this man insist that everything he does is right because "the West" has done it already at some point in history?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm quite convinced "the West," whatever his definition of the term is, has done a lot of things.

I suppose it is the use of the pot calling the kettle black while admitting they want to be like them.
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Liriena wrote:That has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with what I said. Who do you think you are responding to, exactly?


Liriena wrote:How anybody on the left side of the spectrum, or any side of the spectrum other than the most violent and hateful authoritarianism, can support this despicable, pathetic man is beyond me. These are blatant and horrifying human rights violations we are talking about, and he's trying to normalize them.


And the general lack of substance to your post apart from fevered ranting common in those who usually seem quite insecure in their beliefs.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:07 pm

Frank Zipper wrote:I wouldn't be very surprised if Duterte turned out to be involved in the drugs trade himself, and is simply eliminating rivals.

Ironically they have a bounty on their head so I suppose this is one way to stop it from being collected.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:09 pm

Geilinor wrote:“In my country there is no law that says I cannot threaten criminals"

Someone please tell me that there is.

Probably is, but won't be for long if it gets thrown under the rugs in this war.
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Frank Zipper wrote:I wouldn't be very surprised if Duterte turned out to be involved in the drugs trade himself, and is simply eliminating rivals.

You... might be onto something there.
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Even Less of Mackonia wrote:
Liriena wrote:That has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with what I said. Who do you think you are responding to, exactly?


Liriena wrote:How anybody on the left side of the spectrum, or any side of the spectrum other than the most violent and hateful authoritarianism, can support this despicable, pathetic man is beyond me. These are blatant and horrifying human rights violations we are talking about, and he's trying to normalize them.


And the general lack of substance to your post apart from fevered ranting common in those who usually seem quite insecure in their beliefs.

First of all, why are you targetting me exactly? I am not the only one to have expressed condemnation for Duterte.
With that said... pot, I'm not a kettle. Your original response had nothing to do with what I said. At no point did I mention any sort of religious beliefs. I spoke in terms of human rights, which has nothing to do with my faith, or lack thereof. In other words, you pulled that response out of your arse in a sad and misguided display of petulance.
Furthermore, your latest response does not address my question, and if you are going to accuse me of lacking substance, don't do it while simultaneously providing nothing of substance beyond faux-psychological nonsense.
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And the general lack of substance to your post apart from fevered ranting common in those who usually seem quite insecure in their beliefs.

I spoke in terms of human rights, which has nothing to do with my faith, or lack thereof.


Oh but they do.

Liriena wrote:Furthermore, your latest response does not address my question, and if you are going to accuse me of lacking substance, don't do it while simultaneously providing nothing of substance beyond faux-psychological nonsense.


Faux-psychological? Where was I ever claiming to be psychological? Maybe you just think this is psychological for some strange reason.
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:19 pm

As far as I am concerned this situation is simple. Yes this man has instituted a regime of mass murder. But he is confining it to the citizens of his own country within the borders of his own country and the people are yet to show huge signs of revulsion over it. If anything they seem to be very enthusiastic about the whole thing. So whilst this might be strange, even evil in our eyes it obviously works for them. And since its their country and their culture what right do we have to say it is wrong?
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