Baluchistan

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

So, on our Independence Day, Prime Minister Narendra Modi talked about how the Pakistani army was committing genocide and destroying Baluchistan, it's largest and western-most province.

For those of you who don't know, the Baluchi people have called for independence since '47, when Pakistan and India got independence. Their struggle for independence mirrors that of the independence of Bangladesh- a country whose people I consider my own. An ongoing insurgency is going on right now, and the Baluchi rebel leader (forgot his name) has requested asylum in India.

I personally am appalled at the Pakistani government for repeating history and committing genocide of its own populace, again. Yet, America and other western powers have turned a blind eye to Baluchistan, just as they did to Bangladesh, which enrages me as an American (and Indian).

I support Baluchi independence. What do you think, NSG?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Please explain the benefits that the western powers would enjoy as a consequence of getting involved. It would be good if you could break this down in terms of the costs and benefits of each of the two approaches of sanctions and direct military involvement.

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

Please explain the benefits that the western powers would enjoy as a consequence of getting involved. It would be good if you could break this down in terms of the costs and benefits of each of the two approaches of sanctions and direct military involvement.

It's a moral issue, so there would be no benefits, which is precisely why western powers have not got involved.

[Froiiland]

baluchistan probably wont be reliable on a great economy and even bring more conflict to the middle east, not what we need

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

baluchistan probably wont be reliable on a great economy and even bring more conflict to the middle east, not what we need

So you're saying we should allow the Baluchi genocide?

[Kinarus]

Please explain the benefits that the western powers would enjoy as a consequence of getting involved. It would be good if you could break this down in terms of the costs and benefits of each of the two approaches of sanctions and direct military involvement.

It's a moral issue, so there would be no benefits, which is precisely why western powers have not got involved.

Exactly, so why should the west waste our time? Sounds like an issue that can be resolved by it's own people. I think the last thing the US needs right now or any other western state is another Afghanistan.

[Ishon]

If it's the will of the Baluchi people, I think they should gain independence.

[Dumb Ideologies]

baluchistan probably wont be reliable on a great economy and even bring more conflict to the middle east, not what we need

So you're saying we should allow the Baluchi genocide?

I'm not certain why this so-called "genocide" should interest those of us in the West with no connection to the area.

[Washington Resistance Army]

If it's the will of the Baluchi people, I think they should gain independence.

Pretty much this.

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

So you're saying we should allow the Baluchi genocide?

I'm not certain why this so-called "genocide" should interest those of us in the West with no connection to the area.

That's like saying "Oh? They're exterminating Jews? Well they're on a different continent so whatever.." during Nazi rule.

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

It's a moral issue, so there would be no benefits, which is precisely why western powers have not got involved.

Exactly, so why should the west waste our time? Sounds like an issue that can be resolved by it's own people. I think the last thing the US needs right now or any other western state is another Afghanistan.

"resolved by it's own people"

I am seriously concerned about the sheer apathy by you guys towards this issue. How do you think it can be resolved by themselves with the Pakistani army mowing them down, one by one?

[Kinarus]

Exactly, so why should the west waste our time? Sounds like an issue that can be resolved by it's own people. I think the last thing the US needs right now or any other western state is another Afghanistan.

"resolved by it's own people"

I am seriously concerned about the sheer apathy by you guys towards this issue. How do you think it can be resolved by themselves with the Pakistani army mowing them down, one by one?

Not my concern. I'm willing to die for my country, not some other country that does not concern me whatsoever.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I'm not certain why this so-called "genocide" should interest those of us in the West with no connection to the area.

That's like saying "Oh? They're exterminating Jews? Well they're on a different continent so whatever.." during Nazi rule.

You've not yet provided evidence of intentional racist mass murder on an assembly-line scale . Or militarist expansion threatening important allies. I'm not convinced of the aptness of your comparison.

[Commonwealth of Hank the Cat]

Exactly, so why should the west waste our time? Sounds like an issue that can be resolved by it's own people. I think the last thing the US needs right now or any other western state is another Afghanistan.

"resolved by it's own people"

I am seriously concerned about the sheer apathy by you guys towards this issue. How do you think it can be resolved by themselves with the Pakistani army mowing them down, one by one?

Welcome to the modern day western political scene, full of cowards who are to concerned about their own comfort to give a single crap about people suffering in other countries. It's sick! It's twisted! But it's there.

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

That's like saying "Oh? They're exterminating Jews? Well they're on a different continent so whatever.." during Nazi rule.

You've not yet provided evidence of intentional racist mass murder on an assembly-line scale . Or militarist expansion threatening important allies. I'm not convinced of the aptness of your comparison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Balochistan

Not on that scale yet, but if left unchecked, Pakistan will completely displace the Baluchis within their own homeland.

"resolved by it's own people"

I am seriously concerned about the sheer apathy by you guys towards this issue. How do you think it can be resolved by themselves with the Pakistani army mowing them down, one by one?

Not my concern. I'm willing to die for my country, not some other country that does not concern me whatsoever.

Tribalism at its finest.

[Dumb Ideologies]

You've not yet provided evidence of intentional racist mass murder on an assembly-line scale . Or militarist expansion threatening important allies. I'm not convinced of the aptness of your comparison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Balochistan

Not on that scale yet, but if left unchecked, Pakistan will completely displace the Baluchis within their own homeland.

Not my concern. I'm willing to die for my country, not some other country that does not concern me whatsoever.

Tribalism at its finest.

The West can't afford to try to play at World Police anymore. Western leaders primary responsibility is to the native populations with whom they have a social contract, and by extension to maintaining security in their own particular region of the world. Complain to the regional powers, it's nothing to do with us. We're not your mother.

[Implacable Death]

For what it's worth, I'm on board with the Baluchistani people, though for what you would probably consider the wrong reasons. Anything that weakens Pakistan is a good thing.

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Balochistan

Not on that scale yet, but if left unchecked, Pakistan will completely displace the Baluchis within their own homeland.



Tribalism at its finest.

The West can't afford to try to play at World Police anymore. Western leaders primary responsibility is to the native populations with whom they have a social contract, and by extension to maintaining security in their own particular region of the world. Complain to the regional powers, it's nothing to do with us. We're not your mother.

I never said the west should play world police anymore- I'm sick of that. What I want is the recognition of this genocide, perhaps a UN resolution, at the very least, to force Pakistan to comply.

[Costa Fierro]

Please explain the benefits that the western powers would enjoy as a consequence of getting involved.

Lots of oil and natural resources.

[Trotza]

I'm not certain why this so-called "genocide" should interest those of us in the West with no connection to the area.

That's like saying "Oh? They're exterminating Jews? Well they're on a different continent so whatever.." during Nazi rule.

We didn't get involved in WWII because of abuses against Jews in the first place, so that sounds about right actually. Anyways, while you're trying to save the Baluchs, why not add the Rohingya onto the list of things that aren't gonna happen.

Tribalism at its finest.

Actually it's just looking out for your own interests, considering the job of the government is to represent its people, not getting involved in costly foreign affairs is a perfectly understandable way to act.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The West can't afford to try to play at World Police anymore. Western leaders primary responsibility is to the native populations with whom they have a social contract, and by extension to maintaining security in their own particular region of the world. Complain to the regional powers, it's nothing to do with us. We're not your mother.

I never said the west should play world police anymore- I'm sick of that. What I want is the recognition of this genocide, perhaps a UN resolution, at the very least, to force Pakistan to comply.

> UN Resolution
> Force to comply

I think you drastically overestimate the capacity of the UN.

But feel free to take a ticket and get in the queue for UN attention. You might have a bit of a wait, apparently they've got a lot on at the moment.

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

I never said the west should play world police anymore- I'm sick of that. What I want is the recognition of this genocide, perhaps a UN resolution, at the very least, to force Pakistan to comply.

> UN Resolution
> Force to comply

I think you drastically overestimate the capacity of the UN.

But feel free to take a ticket and get in the queue for UN attention. You might have a bit of a wait, apparently they've got a lot on at the moment.

At the very least, I said.

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

That's like saying "Oh? They're exterminating Jews? Well they're on a different continent so whatever.." during Nazi rule.

We didn't get involved in WWII because of abuses against Jews in the first place, so that sounds about right actually. Anyways, while you're trying to save the Baluchs, why not add the Rohingya onto the list of things that aren't gonna happen.

Tribalism at its finest.

Actually it's just looking out for your own interests, considering the job of the government is to represent its people, not getting involved in costly foreign affairs is a perfectly understandable way to act.

Somebody else's problem, ain't it?

[Trotza]

We didn't get involved in WWII because of abuses against Jews in the first place, so that sounds about right actually. Anyways, while you're trying to save the Baluchs, why not add the Rohingya onto the list of things that aren't gonna happen.


Actually it's just looking out for your own interests, considering the job of the government is to represent its people, not getting involved in costly foreign affairs is a perfectly understandable way to act.

Somebody else's problem, ain't it?

Well the fact that we don't really have any way to stop it without trying to force Pakistan, which will not go over well at all, should also be noted.

[Pacificora]

Hello, I'm an Australian who has no connection whatsoever to Baluchistan, but I do have considerable knowledge on it and have looked into the Baluch war for independence. And I believe, of course, that Baluchistan deserves independence, as, according to the Baluch's at least, they were meant to be given land as the British supposedly gave them autonomy before leaving the area, and that Pakistan illegally annexed it. This is not metioning the regions of Iran that are also considered Baluchistan.

Western powers need to pay attention to this issue, as genocide is a horrible thing. The killing of individuals based on their race or nationality is a war crime, and, while western powers sit idly, thousands of people's lives hang in the balance.